GT5 Review scores (Update :Average metacritic score)

[plastik2k10]

can you please translate the overall impression they had on the game + final opinion ? thanks:tup:

Google translation of the end summary:


The game, as it is in stores on launch on Wednesday 24 November, is not perfect. By no means. But it is inconceivable how much potential it has. In the same way as it is difficult to comprehend why it is not polish and feel full after such a long development time?

Had you thought that "GT5" would be the rescue of the third world or Lightning soccer club, you may be disappointed.

"Gran Turismo 5" However, the flooding of the content, but manage to avoid leaving you as a player with the feeling of being stuffed full. It is a game engine that provides pleasure in every way, and it is so versatile and pretty that it lacks none!

Basically it feels a little unfinished, it isn't the holy grail of racing games that many expected, but it's full of content but not too full (just the right level basically), a pleasure to play, very versatile and lacks very little. Also has a lot of potential. I'd say that's a good review that has pointed out things we already know are bad, but the reviewer doesn't seem to have dwelled on these things. (Based on the summary, I haven't read the whole review).

 

[MidianGTX]

My criticism is full of details, I tell you exactly what I do not like.

Your post on the contrary does just consist of generalizations ("looks great on my ps3") and insults ("moronic comment").

Why are the moderators not deleting such posts?

The review does say it'll appeal more to the GT crowd, which is why a few of them here don't seem to be able to see past the end of their noses. It's the same with Forza hate, they don't know why they hate it, they just know it's not GT and then throw "bad graphics" and "bad physics" on top to masquerade as proof.

I love GT, I've been playing it for 13 years now and I consider it the best driving sim around, but to expect everyone else to ignore it's numerous downfalls is rather pathetic. If I did that I'd be sticking up for myself as a GT fan, but letting myself down as a gamer.

 

[Furinkazen]

It's not even out officially yet. WAIT and play it yourself first!

 

[the.hatter]

I like reading reviews like this (jeuxvideo), rather than those that just gush at a game, giving it 100% scores.

I picked out a few concerns of my own - that the damage model will be negligible unless you're driving around on suicide missions. Another was AI seeming to ignore your presence and sticking to their line.

Anyways, look forward to reading a lot more reviews tomorrow. I've always liked IGN, theirs should be out in the morning.

 

[StogyBear]

You guys are getting mad because it was a poor review? Most of the members on this forum have been dissapointed by the same stuff this reviewer just said. I don't think it's a surprise to anyone that the expectations were too high for this game. A lot of people are going to be left dissapointed and have the right to do so. I will still play it for hours on end, but I'm a hardcore GT fan and will play anythign PD makes lol. I mean cmon guys

* The race menu looks the same as in GT3.
* You still overtake every car on the first turn and drive alone for the rest of the race like in ever GT
* Tuning shop has remained the same since GT1 (No real brands)
* 80% of the cars in the game are from GT4

In my opinion GT5 paved the way for GT6. They got the physics and graphics just right, now if they develop the rest of the game GT6 is going to be killer.

 

[mastorofpuppetz]

You'll see, (if you are not blinded by your stupid fanboyism)... after 5 years, it just feel... unfinished and rushed (amazing!), they are the first to say it and I'm pretty sure they won't be the only ones.

Well, as more reviews we will see who is right.................... Dude liked Need for speed more, says all i need to know, he should stick to arcade racers.

 

[MidianGTX]

Another was AI seeming to ignore your presence and sticking to their line.

This one surprised me. I watched a load of GTP_Chris' videos and he was pointing out how the AI abandoned their overtake attempts when he closed the gap, also at how they slammed on their brakes to avoid contact if he also did it early.

 

[mykem]

There's a very specific formula that works within the current gaming trend. And GT has always been a very Japanese product which can and have always been hot/cold when it comes to what most people expect in recent games. But in the end it's still a game and therefore has to been reviewed in term of those criteria. I expect to see a myriad of scores from the mediocre to the most excellent and everything else in between. If this is a race for points, GT5 will probably not fare as well as Forza 3 even though they're basically in the same genre. If mainstream reviews of driving/racing games have any bearing on my own view, it's usually the polarity.

 

[Goudvis]

Update : 23 novembre 2010 : First review is up with résumé !

The first review of GT5 is finally up !
http://www.jeuxvideo.com/articles/0001/00013884-gran-turismo-5-test.htm
The French gamers were the first to receive the games (french retailers didn’t respect the release date of the game) so it comes as no surprise that the first review is a French review too ! from a very famous (IMO the most famous) popular and old gaming website in france : www.jeuxvideos.com (generally I like the reviews of this website, they are generally fair and rarely extremist, I like especially the very useful users review scores and comments)

But unfortunately their review of GT5 is unprofessional to say the least (I suppose the reviewer Ravaol is not into simulation racing games, but that’s just a hypothesis with no proof lol), I wrote this résumé of his review so you could judge by yourself :

Graphics : 15/20
The game is fluid and overall good looking, but a lot of glitches, aliasing (on shapes, on shadows&#8230 and graphical problems (pop ups, pixelisation of some texture&#8230, the outside of tracks aren’t detailed, and weather is not as impressive as in trailers, visual damage is limited and disappointing…

Gameplay : 14/20
The most disappointing aspect of the game, outdated gameplay designed to gtfans only with no innovation and similar to other gt games. Can we still take turns backing on other cars or track fences ? yes we can. Can we still cheat and cut turns and drive out of asphalt without any punishment ? yes we can (except in online races). The AI is still following the exact same line no matter what you do bumping on you or ou bump on it ? yes its still like the old days…damage is very limited and only on premium cars… the outside camera view has very limited sense of speed (unlike the good sense of speed of cockpit), you cant see too much when racing at night which makes the night races frustrating and unplayable…and cars feel rigid like old gt days, and applying gt gameplay to karts is a bad idea…and rally as always not very good… the good thing with gameplay is that each car feels distinguishable...

Durée de vie (Lasting Appeal or content or durability of the game) : 17/20
A lot of content but little substance (why 1000 cars when we will only drive a hundred of them and a lot are variables of the same car with inconsistent quality premium 200 with very limited disappointing damage that needsto play suicide mission to get some effects and the other 800 are standard with no damage and no cockpit view), also not a lot of tracks, and weather/day night not on all tracks…the online is disappointing, very simplistic, not well designed (when you finish a race you return to the main menu&#8230 and with a lot of connexion problems…

Sound : 15/20
Variable quality like the whole game, disappointing sound effects, inconsistent engine sounds (some are great and some horrible).


Overall score : 14/20
After 5 years of development time and waiting, GT is no more the real driving simulator, it is outdated compared to other racing games especially its gameplay, it is designed to gtfans only with very little innovation, but that’s not to say it’s a bad game, it’s still a simulation game that conserves a personality and captures the essence and variety of cars.


Now to my humble personal comment about this first review of GT5 :

I think the review is unprofessional, the reviewer has no idea of what he is talking about whe he insists that gameplay in GT5 is outdated...he clearly has a restricted vision of what is gameplay in a racing simulation, he underestimates the importance of gameplay physics in a simulation racing game, he says the gameplay is outdated because you can cheat without consequences, thats only a small part of the gameplay experience, the most important part is the driving expericene (he has also repeated the now cliché and not so accurate description about GT games being driving games and not racing games), the gameplay physics of GT5 are among the best in the world and he is wrong when he says gameplay is outdated and cars feel rigid... contradicting himself when he says that each car feels distinguishable..how the driving of cars is satisfying, cars feel distinguishable (thats the gameplay physics) but the cars feel rigid and gamplay is outdated ?! thats a huge contradiction that suffice to make this review unprofessional and biased...

funny how he apparently thinks Prologue is better...

 

[alilsneaky]

It's amusing to see you guys hate on jeuxvideo, seemingly unaware as to just how respected they are, by gamers and developers alike. It's time to stop the bullcrap, the game is great but it's not perfect. Opinions will vary.

Exactly, I first saw this review on gametrailers, and there the amount of idiocy and anger and trash talking about jeuxvideo is ridiculous.

They rightfully point out that gt5 is very inconsistent in quality. (std vs premium, sound, cars vs tracks, textures, glitches)
After seeing the weather effects for myself they are indeed VERY meh when you are watching them on your own tv.
The rain drops on the windshield don't look half as good as in the video's because at 1080 p you notice that they are low res.
Rain looks pretty akward and sterile aswell overall.

I got more usefull info out of that review than all of gtplanet's info posts put together (no offense), in that it said that the game stays true to the gt formula (too true for their liking).

All thats missing is more information on how laggy the multiplayer is.

I've yet to try it out (not really interested in it after the laggy jerky nightmare that gt5p and almost much every other online racing game is)

If it's indiscernable from single player gameplay then I'll probably spend alot of time on it.

So many people state that they buy gt5 for the multiplayer , while no word is out on the quality and lag , and the fact that prologue was a joke mp wise doesn't seem to cause concern among those people.

 

[MidianGTX]

If you think about it... what you really want is for this guy to be a total arcade racer. Perhaps even someone that specifically doesn't like racing games. The more inappropriate this reviewer is for reviewing GT5, the better off we are, because that makes 14/20 just about the worst score possible. If a total non-GT fan can score it almost 75% then it can only go up from here.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Why is a website all of a sudden not credible because they give a game a less than perfect score? I wouldn't bother going by their review anyway. Go by YOUR own personal review.

If a website says a game is 1/10, but you play it and you give it a 10/10 and you can't wipe that small off your face when you play it, how does the 1/10 review affect your enjoyment of the game. Just play it.

 

[TheMarco]

Most reviewers don't really understand driving sims. They'll say the tracks are 'bland' because NFS has more trackside crap going on. Realism often IS bland. And it's what driving simulator fans want. Also most reviewers can't drive. Have you seen the videos on IGN? Even my 7y old daughter would do a better job. I don't even understand how reviewers with such poor driving skills can even make any kind of educated judgement on a game franchise like GT.

I won't be surprised at all seeing 7/10 or 8/10 reviews mostly. This game just isn't for everyone, including a lot of actual game reviewers. Not surprised at all if Forza 3 scores better either since it's way more catered towards everyone rather than hardcore sim drivers only. I liked Forza and I spent a few quality months with it while waiting for GT5 but it has nothing on GT. Not even on GT5 Prologue. The driving of GT is just way more refined.

So yes... the scores will be 'disappointing' but who cares? Judging from Chris' excellent videos this game is exactly what I expected it to be so I really don't give a rat's ass about what arcade game reviewers are going to write about it. Nobody should really.

 

[Alex p.]

Most reviewers don't really understand driving sims. They'll say the tracks are 'bland' because NFS has more trackside crap going on. Realism often IS bland. And it's what driving simulator fans want. Also most reviewers can't drive. Have you seen the videos on IGN? Even my 7y old daughter would do a better job. I don't even understand how reviewers with such poor driving skills can even make any kind of educated judgement on a game franchise like GT.

I won't be surprised at all seeing 7/10 or 8/10 reviews mostly. This game just isn't for everyone, including a lot of actual game reviewers. Not surprised at all if Forza 3 scores better either since it's way more catered towards everyone rather than hardcore sim drivers only. I liked Forza and I spent a few quality months with it while waiting for GT5 but it has nothing on GT. Not even on GT5 Prologue. The driving of GT is just way more refined.

So yes... the scores will be 'disappointing' but who cares? Judging from Chris' excellent videos this game is exactly what I expected it to be so I really don't give a rat's ass about what arcade game reviewers are going to write about it. Nobody should really.

Quality post right there. 👍

 

[Bogie 19th]

So yes... the scores will be 'disappointing' but who cares? Judging from Chris' excellent videos this game is exactly what I expected it to be so I really don't give a rat's ass about what arcade game reviewers are going to write about it. Nobody should really.

I think that is a very good comment, and hopefully many others do as well.

 

[Tesla]

I can agree with the review part on the graphics where he states something about graphical glitches. I don't think anyone told him about the standards.

 

[evilfoxhound]

I have a feeling that reviewers are going to be reviewing the hype, rather the actual game.

 

[Detroitbb]

I thought that review was detailed and raised some very salient points.

 

[TheMarco]

I have a feeling that reviewers are going to be reviewing the hype, rather the actual game.

This is a good point too. The hype has reached unprecedented heights causing people to expect more than the game can possibly deliver. To be really fair this is also partly PD's own fault. At some point expectations are so high that it's simply impossible to live up to them. Kind of like President Obama. He too had so much hype that people were expecting him to completely transform the USA in 6 months. People were in for some disappointment there as has already been proven

 

[Goudvis]

Reviews are always subjective.
It depends on who makes the review and what kind of game he likes.

I know quite a few other people who can't understand why i like GT: "But games are supposed to be fun right? What's the fun in doing only 60kmph in a turn?"

Unless you really want the feeling of real driving & racing GT isn't good. (Although i do not understand the low score for graphics... The most important cars in GT are undeniably breathtaking.)

 

[Devedander]

I don't necessarily think the french review is bad, he's just not us... He is not a hardcore gt sim fan like many of us and so is reflecting what the masses are more like...

Like a classic car remake the hardcore appreciate what stays true to the history while the masses want the flash and excitement that is more the current norm.

 

[vantage2]

Based on what we have learned about the game so far I don't expect it to score very high. On another thread I think I predicted that it will score high 70s to low 80s on Metacritic and I stand by that. The main reason for this is due to the lengthy development time. Had the game, as it is right now, come out 3 years ago there is no doubt that it would be receiving much better reviews across the board. Reviewers are just going to be less forgiving about the flaws in the game because of the development time, which is totally understandable.

However, we are all GT fans, that's why we're here. We are going to love the game because I have no doubt that it will 'feel' like the GT games of the past that we loved. This includes everything from the menus, the career mode, the plethora of cars, and right down to the catchy, jazzy, type music when browsing through the menus. On top of this we will be grateful for the additions to the game, like Ferrari, much improved physics, and new game modes. And we will be more forgiving about the more negative aspects of the game, like questionable shadows and damage. For these reasons I look forward to buying and playing the game. I don't expect it to be the end all and be all of racing games, but I do know as a GT fan I will thoroughly enjoy it despite any drawbacks.

 

[MidianGTX]

I don't necessarily think the french review is bad, he's just not us...

Very good point, and I think Edge's summary in their GT4 review sums this up:

"Gran Turismo 4 is fundamentally unconcerned with furthering the art of the videogame. This titanic franchise, this critical, load-bearing pillar of PlayStation, is barely even a videogame at all. It's a hobbyist software suite, a racetrack tutorial, an encyclopaedia you can get in and drive off."

They awarded GT4 only 70%, but that closing paragraph... is everything we want from a GT game. We don't want a video game at all, we want the tutorial and the encyclopedia.

 

[Nielsen]

I'll take that review with a grain of salt. I haven't had the time to get a solid impression yet (just a couple of arcade mode races) and it certainly felt improved compared to GT5 Prologue. And Prologue was far from outdated and I've had great fun with that just until I got GT5. And Photomode is the best digital car showroom I've ever seen and that alone is worth half the money.

 

[TheROADKRAKEN]

Reviewer say that the "outside camera view has very limited sense of speed"

I suggest turning the racing line on and switching to bumper cam - the dotted lines flying at you help with sense of speed


Also it is very true that you can just add up 3 or 4 features that work VERY well and are VERY cool and you've got your money's worth

 

[alilsneaky]

Reviews are always subjective.
It depends on who makes the review and what kind of game he likes.

I know quite a few other people who can't understand why i like GT: "But games are supposed to be fun right? What's the fun in doing only 60kmph in a turn?"

Unless you really want the feeling of real driving & racing GT isn't good. (Although i do not understand the low score for graphics... The most important cars in GT are undeniably breathtaking.)

I know that name from somewhere (goudvis) do you post on 9lives(telenet games)?

And as you said, it's subjective (the score), and what's important is that the reviewer gave enough information (for people familiar with previous gt games) to know what to expect, which is more than what can be said about sites like IGN/gt/gamespot at times.

From what I read you can expect :
-inconsistent quality/polish for graphics and tracks, with glitches and AA problems.
-"same old" gt gameplay but with improved physics (for me this is all I ever wanted)
-forgiving damage modeling and colissions (like all gt games, it doesn't bother me I'm not too OCD to not be able to attempt a clean lap if I'm not forced to)

Much of his negative feedback was brought on by PD themselves , they overhyped the graphics with photomode bullshots and lower res/short tidbits of cherry picked weather footage and some cgi from the intro mixed in for good measure in all their trailers and previews.
+ the unreal amount of promises they made.

The only people that can be bothered by this information are people who bought into the hype , the real fans like you and me will get what we wanted, despite it being blemished by the lack of polish (sadly).

I just think back to the day I finished gt3 (never bothered with gt4 I had sold my ps2 by then) and what I wanted the next gen gt game to be like back then.
I got everything I wished for (minus my favorite cars being standard ).

 

[mastretta_mx]

Very good point, and I think Edge's summary in their GT4 review sums this up:

"Gran Turismo 4 is fundamentally unconcerned with furthering the art of the videogame. This titanic franchise, this critical, load-bearing pillar of PlayStation, is barely even a videogame at all. It's a hobbyist software suite, a racetrack tutorial, an encyclopaedia you can get in and drive off."

They awarded GT4 only 70%, but that closing paragraph... is everything we want from a GT game. We don't want a video game at all, we want the tutorial and the encyclopedia.

I agree! Also, wich other game are going to allow me recreate races like these?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFAod4NvVvU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mPGZ1wUfY4

 

[Racing]

jexx said:

19/20 of GT5P Graphic, no 3D supported

15/20 of GT5 Graphic, which supports Stereoscopic 3D


wow XD



And does anyone know why jexx's review is never listed in metacritic or gamerankings?

And why jexx can release their review first? Strange.xD

 

[SuperShouden]

Wow. It sound like the reviewer of the French site isn't very far in the game...and still decided to give a review. Don't most reviewers at least try to complete the game before commenting?

You've also got to keep in mind that there are some reviewers on Microsoft's payroll or Nintendo's payroll....and Sony probably bribes some, too. So, it is best to completely ignore critic reviews unless you're looking for a laugh. GameSpot has a lovely "user review" score where the scores given by the general public are averaged. This is a great source for more accurate scores of the game.

 

[Detroitbb]

Don't most reviewers at least try to complete the game before commenting?

No, they don't due to time constraints.