GT5 Used Car Database [in progress]

[Khaddar]

Well that really sucks on PD's part if that is the case.

Something's definitely changed, too early to say what for sure but it does look like the list we've compiled has now become redundant.

It's not just a case of moving to a different part of the list - the cars in my UCD after the update were different colours and had different mileages than the same cars previously (although mileages varied, they varied only within a very small range).

Things I'll test shortly but haven't had chance to yet:
- Whether multiple accounts on the same PS3 still start with the same list
- Whether new accounts match up with old accounts at the same game day
- Whether the new colours for used cars are still static, or whether cars are now different each time they appear (I suspect still static, as my UCD had two RUF CTR2s in the same colour, although that car may have a limited colour range)

 

[jeep2008]

It's a shame,that's what it is!!Of all the things they could change,they changed this.All this work,helping us planning our future purchases,now gone.It's a sad,sad day for the GT5 Used Car Database [in progress] fans

 

[pr0cy0n622]

Ouch! Yea - this does pretty much suck for the UCD Master List - UCD definitely changed after the 1.06 update.

Accounts started on the same PS3 before the update, that are at Day 1, have the same UCD. (I've checked several accounts - all have the same day-1 list - but of course that list is different than what it was yesterday)

New Accounts started today (after the 1.06 update) have the same day-1 UCD list as well.

I have no match on either Master List for where I am in my main game (day 2324). Nor do I have any match for my new post-1.06 day-1 on either list.

Seems the UCD still has a consistent starting point across accounts on the same PS3. But the list is totally different.

 

[911_RS]

Ouch! Yea - this does pretty much suck for the UCD Master List - UCD definitely changed after the 1.06 update.

Accounts started on the same PS3 before the update, that are at Day 1, have the same UCD. (I've checked several accounts - all have the same day-1 list - but of course that list is different than what it was yesterday)

New Accounts started today (after the 1.06 update) have the same day-1 UCD list as well.

I have no match on either Master List for where I am in my main game (day 2324). Nor do I have any match for my new post-1.06 day-1 on either list.

Seems the UCD still has a consistent starting point across accounts on the same PS3. But the list is totally different.

 

[GTsail]

My UCD has gone off track too!

I've temporarily stopped recording the cars.


Looking for a silver lining in this:

Perhaps the original UCD would not have repeated for over 100,000 days, and we've been saved from the effort of trying to record all these days to find out!

Perhaps the UCD will now repeat after say ... 5000 days (wishful thinking!).

Anyway, it is much nicer with the added colors and the tick marks showing that you already have the car.

Respectfully,
GTsail

 

[Fastas]

gurrrr.

Things I've noticed that are different (apart from the fact it bares no resemblance to anything I've seen yet) are:

PP's are displayed.
Some Prices are different.
I can see which cars I own.

Some colours are different and the milage too but I wasn't recording that info. before.

I would like to know if this is going to happen often (scratches head).

 

[TornadoAlley]

I had been worried about this since we started knowing that PD could update any part of the game in the future. I don't quite see why they felt the need to totally change the UCD (unless they wanted to make some cars easier to come by).

 

[Khaddar]

pr0cy0n has answered some of my questions already, but in addition it seems that colours and mileages (and therefore prices) now vary throughout the cycle but are constant between different accounts (at least on the same PS3) at the same point, if that makes sense.

I suspect the reason it's been changed is that cars were never intended to be restricted to a single colour, and that the colour is so tied in to the generation of the cycle that we get a whole new list as a side-effect. Hopefully it won't happen again, but you never know.

As an aside, I believe this strengthens the view that the cycle is generated procedurally within the game rather than being included as a pre-generated list.*

*Other opinions are available. Terms and conditions apply. Offer subject to status. E&OE.

 

[GTsail]

Ouch! Yea - this does pretty much suck for the UCD Master List - UCD definitely changed after the 1.06 update.

Accounts started on the same PS3 before the update, that are at Day 1, have the same UCD. (I've checked several accounts - all have the same day-1 list - but of course that list is different than what it was yesterday)

New Accounts started today (after the 1.06 update) have the same day-1 UCD list as well.

I have no match on either Master List for where I am in my main game (day 2324). Nor do I have any match for my new post-1.06 day-1 on either list.

Seems the UCD still has a consistent starting point across accounts on the same PS3. But the list is totally different.

If I read your post correctly, you're saying that the game is still consistently generating the UCD car list for each individual user, each time they might start a new game. No matter how many times they start a game. Its just that its a different list than before?

This makes me wonder if these new UCD lists will be consistent between users?

Ie: Say that originally two users (say Fastas and myself) had the same list but that we were shifted 15 days. Do you think that we would still be 15 days shifted, but on the same (new) list?

I think that a few of us need to launch new games and record the first 15 or 20 days from the UCD and compare and look for any match-ups between different users. I will give this a whirl myself tonite.

Respectfully,
GTsail

 

[Fastas]

I've recorded my first 'new' day, incidentally, it is the same first (set of five) day on two new games on different accounts.

I then forwarded the game by four days and found a matching car; A Toyota Supra SZ-R '97.
STATS---------Day 4----------Day 9
Cost-----------26,433---------24,895
PP--------------371-------------371
Odometer------44,514---------53,559
Colour----------Black--------Super White II

Toyota Tacoma X-Runner '04
STATS---------Day 2----------Day 12
Cost-----------21,338---------23,877
PP--------------374-------------381
Odometer------25,951----------5,245
Colour-------Radiant Red------Radiant Red

I guess this is a sign of things to come. I'd like to suggest that anyone willing to contribute to a master list agrees now how or what information to record.

I've reverted to the second account and the following four days are also Identical to the first account.

 

[Khaddar]

Ie: Say that originally two users (say Fastas and myself) had the same list but that we were shifted 15 days. Do you think that we would still be 15 days shifted, but on the same (new) list?

I think that a few of us need to launch new games and record the first 15 or 20 days from the UCD and compare and look for any match-ups between different users. I will give this a whirl myself tonite.

I'd been wondering the same thing. I don't, for the moment, doubt that there's once more a common list that we'll join together on eventually, but it would be interesting to know if the gaps were the same as before - if they were it would be very easy to establish an initial outline for the master list(s) and perhaps share recording tasks.

 

[street]

I was around the 720 mark before the update yesterday. I was exactly in tune with the first list not FASTAS. Now my cars don't match to either list. It is completely borked as others have said. This is not good. I was all set to get a couple nice rare ones I wanted and now they didn't show up.

 

[chances14]

This makes me wonder if these new UCD lists will be consistent between users?

Ie: Say that originally two users (say Fastas and myself) had the same list but that we were shifted 15 days. Do you think that we would still be 15 days shifted, but on the same (new) list?

I think that a few of us need to launch new games and record the first 15 or 20 days from the UCD and compare and look for any match-ups between different users. I will give this a whirl myself tonite.

Respectfully,
GTsail

interesting theory. It would make sense if they used the same seed for the starting point for this list as they did the old list. I will record the first 6 or 7 days and hopefully pr0cy0n622 will too. if this theory holds we should be 4 days apart

 

[crazedmodder]

interesting theory. It would make sense if they used the same seed for the starting point for this list as they did the old list. I will record the first 6 or 7 days and hopefully pr0cy0n622 will too. if this theory holds we should be 4 days apart

Yeah that shift would be cool to know, hopefully it remained consistent. I wonder why PD would change the lists but we'll probably never know so I don't really want to break my head on the why.

IMO we should keep the originals even if we start collecting data for the new ones. Who knows, maybe these new lists will plug into the old ones at some point! Or maybe it will help us find a pattern to have these new lists!

I will get some days tomorrow, 10 hours left in my endurance race then I have to update.

Oh and I found TornadoAlley's method of entering worked quite well:
In GT5: Bottom right is the oldest car, top left is the newest
In the spreadsheet top is the oldest car and bottom is the newest

 

[jaymanji]

Hmmm, an all (unfortunately) new and improved UCD to figure out.
I've started my post 1.06 sheet, thought about collecting a range of data but for now I'm just carrying on as before same layout as the master list.

Few highlights for now:
1717 BMW - V12 LMR Race Car '99
1724 RE Amemiya - AMEMIYA ASPARADRINX RX-7 '04
1728 Jaguar - XJ220 LM Race Car
1731 Chaparral - 2J Race Car '70
1742 BMW - V12 LMR Race Car '99 (again)
1 Honda - NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car

Of course there's a big gap between day 1 and current day, I'll progress through that too.
I wonder how long this will last until PD next decides to move the goalposts onto a completely different field

 

[pr0cy0n622]

So, for the curious; here are my Version 1.06, Day 1 - 25 UCD cars:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl=en&hl=en&key=0AkKVFQSqKBCudF9QbWlHcWU2blpCYzJkNWJZcWpfLVE&output=html

If I read your post correctly, you're saying that the game is still consistently generating the UCD car list for each individual user, each time they might start a new game. No matter how many times they start a game. Its just that its a different list than before?

This makes me wonder if these new UCD lists will be consistent between users?

Yes, I have three other accounts on my PS3 that were all at Day 1 - all have the same 1.06 Day-1 UCD. I created a new account today, after I updated to 1.06, and that account too had the same Day-1 list as the others. At least that much is consistent.

It will be interesting to see if chances14, 911_RS, TornadoAlley, Crazedmodder, et al from the now defunct Master List #1 have any matches with my 1.06 list.

I will say that after putting so much time and energy into the previous list, at the moment, I'm not all that keen on starting the process all over again. Especially if PD may change it again with the next game update

 

[chances14]

So, for the curious; here are my Version 1.06, Day 1 - 25 UCD cars:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl=en&hl=en&key=0AkKVFQSqKBCudF9QbWlHcWU2blpCYzJkNWJZcWpfLVE&output=html



Yes, I have three other accounts on my PS3 that were all at Day 1 - all have the same 1.06 Day-1 UCD. I created a new account today, after I updated to 1.06, and that account too had the same Day-1 list as the others. At least that much is consistent.

It will be interesting to see if chances14, 911_RS, TornadoAlley, Crazedmodder, et al from the now defunct Master List #1 have any matches with my 1.06 list.

I will say that after putting so much time and energy into the previous list, at the moment, I'm not all that keen on starting the process all over again. Especially if PD may change it again with the next game update

Good news!! i have matched up your list starting at day 4, exactly the same days apart as the old list. So it seems that they kept everybody at the same point in the old list, just switched the cars around!

 

[TornadoAlley]

It will be interesting to see if chances14, 911_RS, TornadoAlley, Crazedmodder, et al from the now defunct Master List #1 have any matches with my 1.06 list.

I will say that after putting so much time and energy into the previous list, at the moment, I'm not all that keen on starting the process all over again. Especially if PD may change it again with the next game update

I'll check out my UCD when I get a chance. It may or may not be tonight as I already have plans to paint our kitchen.

I agree with you pr0cy0n622 that I have lost some drive to get the UCD recorded as a result of this update. But as has been mentioned we have a system that seems to work and I am fine to continue compiling/spell checking the lists. I will be curious if we see cars showing up with different colors now.

At least I have a way to easily search through what we had to see if a match pops up (looking for a silver lining).

Edit: Well that is at least encouraging that we see overlapping lists still. Why the bleep did they feel the need to switch the lists around though?

 

[chances14]

Edit: Well that is at least encouraging that we see overlapping lists still. Why the bleep did they feel the need to switch the lists around though?

maybe pd was watching this thread and wanted to mess all of us up

 

[911_RS]

So, for the curious; here are my Version 1.06, Day 1 - 25 UCD cars:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl=en&hl=en&key=0AkKVFQSqKBCudF9QbWlHcWU2blpCYzJkNWJZcWpfLVE&output=html



Yes, I have three other accounts on my PS3 that were all at Day 1 - all have the same 1.06 Day-1 UCD. I created a new account today, after I updated to 1.06, and that account too had the same Day-1 list as the others. At least that much is consistent.

It will be interesting to see if chances14, 911_RS, TornadoAlley, Crazedmodder, et al from the now defunct Master List #1 have any matches with my 1.06 list.

I will say that after putting so much time and energy into the previous list, at the moment, I'm not all that keen on starting the process all over again. Especially if PD may change it again with the next game update

I'll grind on it this weekend.....but I agree, if PD is gonna change this again it's gonna make me crazy........

 

[chances14]

ok i decided to go back into some of my old game save backups and record what was in the ucd for reference

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoFWMTUtYTQhdDl5WWREZUNzSUxQQlJPODhFQ1hsbUE&hl=en

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Bah.

As soon as I heard about this, I figured you guys would be screwed. My Colour Database is too, but to a lesser extent - it was easier to record the single colour cars came in, and just when I wrapped up every UCD find's specific colour (and a handful of the super-high-mileage ones), this happens. Might as well save the info for those on pre-1.06.

Something that I also feared - the cars come in multiple colours now, yes, but the colour is hard-coded into their appearance in the cycle. I tried with two accounts, matching up their days, and restoring and doing it again. The test cars always showed with the same colours. Oof.

 

[Khaddar]

I will be curious if we see cars showing up with different colors now.

We're definitely seeing different colours - my test account now has a '99 Viper GTS in Viper Red with Silver Stripes.

I'll start trying to collate some data for master list #2, although I tend to be slower than others. Frustratingly I had 250 days of updates to post up, at least some of which would have clarified the order of some of Fastas' data. Still, c'est la vie.

 

[pr0cy0n622]

Good news!! i have matched up your list starting at day 4, exactly the same days apart as the old list. So it seems that they kept everybody at the same point in the old list, just switched the cars around!

That is good news - too bad they had to switch the cars though

ok i decided to go back into some of my old game save backups and record what was in the ucd for reference

Good idea about the save games - I loaded up a few from an account I was using to grab early UCD cars - so I've updated my spreadsheet to 46 days worth of data:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl=en&hl=en&key=0AkKVFQSqKBCudF9QbWlHcWU2blpCYzJkNWJZcWpfLVE&output=html

 

[Fastas]

I've cycled through a new account to reach a save point from an older account and the cars and sequences match up. This means that the sequence of the used cars has been reshuffled but in terms of day progression, we should all be in the same place relative to each other now, as we were before.

I'm thinking there are a few options here to consider:

- We continue logging data from where we were before with a few volunteers backtracking to fill the last 1700 or so days from the previous data.

- We assume that PD is going to reshuffle the pack every two/three months.

- We find a math genius to calculate the number of possible entries based upon the new variables, namely; cars, colours, price, mileage, PP's.

- We find someone who can explain the way this system is programmed.

Now I figure there is only really one way that I can progress with this and that is to continue logging and, if after sometime PD pull the same manoeuvre, I'll assume that will be the way and cease.

Previously, the car value and mileage never varied by more than 1%. Now it is much larger and, throw in the colours as well, I think it would be worth while recording these points too.

There was an idea floating around that there might be a sequence of patterns of repetition within the cycle. If this is the case, the price, colour and mileage of each car would prove useful, and yes, the day order as well.

That's my two pence.

 

[chances14]

That is good news - too bad they had to switch the cars though

yea man it sucks. i'm still undecided if i want to continue logging the days since we don't know if pd will change it again after the next update. But since we know now that the point in which we are in the master list has not changed i may be willing to continue logging data, depending on what some of the other contributors want to do

 

[TornadoAlley]

- We continue logging data from where we were before with a few volunteers backtracking to fill the last 1700 or so days from the previous data.

- We assume that PD is going to reshuffle the pack every two/three months.

- We find a math genius to calculate the number of possible entries based upon the new variables, namely; cars, colours, price, mileage, PP's.

- We find someone who can explain the way this system is programmed.

Now I figure there is only really one way that I can progress with this and that is to continue logging and, if after sometime PD pull the same manoeuvre, I'll assume that will be the way and cease.

Previously, the car value and mileage never varied by more than 1%. Now it is much larger and, throw in the colours as well, I think it would be worth while recording these points too.

There was an idea floating around that there might be a sequence of patterns of repetition within the cycle. If this is the case, the price, colour and mileage of each car would prove useful, and yes, the day order as well.

That's my two pence.

I agree with Fastas that the car color, price and mileage could be used as an additional marker for the the cycle.

Only time will tell but I think one should still be able to find their unique spot in the list with only the car names and order but the other info can only help. The issue I ran into was the time it took to record the exact color of the car was really making progress slow in the previous version.

My free time is shot right now so I won't be much good for filling in days if we decide to continue working on this. As long as people provide info I can work on compiling it into a single list to try and make heads or tails of it.

 

[jaymanji]

Putting this up previously master list 2
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ai0moHBbwfvIdEVGU0RUbWtNVmJZN0t2Z2kxRms4MHc&hl=en#gid=1

Previously, the car value and mileage never varied by more than 1%. Now it is much larger and, throw in the colours as well, I think it would be worth while recording these points too.

I agree on this and I may go back to do it at some point. Sticking to make/model would be simpler. Depends on what everyone else wants to do I suppose.

Point made by TornadoAlley, sorry it's very late in the day.

 

[crazedmodder]

I agree with Fastas that the car color, price and mileage could be used as an additional marker for the the cycle.

Only time will tell but I think one should still be able to find their unique spot in the list with only the car names and order but the other info can only help. The issue I ran into was the time it took to record the exact color of the car was really making progress slow in the previous version.

My free time is shot right now so I won't be much good for filling in days if we decide to continue working on this. As long as people provide info I can work on compiling it into a single list to try and make heads or tails of it.

I'll try to start putting in work again, school has died down for me a bit so I should be alright to collect.

It's possible PD changed the car list because people were irritated by almost always getting the same color. Which would mean that if they fixed it we won't see another reset.

If we could figure out the algorithm that would be awesome I hope it is really simple but I doubt it. Maybe someone can dump the contents of the disc and spend months trying figure out how it works

 

[chances14]

i'm curious though. if it is an actual cycle like we think it is, do you think they made it even longer with the additions of new colors, or did they just modify the cars already in the cycle and then just reshuffled them? it's just interesting to me how we are still all at the same points in the cycle as before the update but all the cars are different