GT6 released with PS4?

[H20HYBRID_GT]

GT5 is already killing the ps3.

Source needed.

And even if, maybe just because of bad, inefficient programming... maybe?

Dude, this is totally not how it works when moving up to a new system with higher spec hardware. The entire engine of GT5 does not need to be redone to run on PS4, the content doesn't need redesigned, it's essentially all future proofed until PS5 (forgive me for mentioning PS5).

It's like the standard cars where brought to PS3 and some original tracks were upgraded. They simply CHOSE to develop a new physics engine from scratch, 'cause obviously they saw some flaws with the old which they couldn't improve anymore. They probably went with something that has twice as many variables. Also you talk about removing this to get that, that gives you nothing in the way of improved gameplay. Doesn't matter if there's 100 or 1000 cars or tracks, if they remove B-spec or other features. It's already so incredible what they achieved on PS3, don't expect anything noticeably better in the event of a PS3 GT6 release.

Of course they could do a GT6 with complete different features, but something tells me people like yourself would get tired of the new game just as fast as you're apparently tired of GT5, which is something PD can never prevent. Question is, what's in it for them? Say, they release GT6 next year around this time, they will not sell another 6+ million copies on a system which will be overtaken 1 year later. I'm positive a Spec III will emerge sometime next year to give the game a bit of a facelift again, and the 2 month interval DLC promise, to me, is a serious hint that the game will be supported until a firm release date has been set for GT6.

Also, being stubborn about PD's history of delays or making an "incomplete" game is not a good way of looking at a company that puts their heart and soul into trying the best they can (for it's small ~150 staff team). We all hope they have learned things along the way, you can never judge when you don't know some of the difficulties they've faced in their development phases.

So you know how the PS4 will be designed and that GTs engine under no circumstances doesn't need recoding, correct? Interesting... a source would be even more interesting tho.

 

[shmogt]

Who cares which system it comes out for. Personally I have no idea how much better a ps4 can even get. Like what are they really gonna add to it? Bigger hard drive you can already upgrade, it has blue ray and 3d. The ps3 does everything and anything more could be changed by new firmware updates. I hear some people say more power, but NASA used 7 ps3 before together and said it matched their super computer so I'm sure one can handle any game. GT6 is just going to be what GT5 should of been anyway.

 

[nissans13_240sx]

I would love GT6 to be a launch title for PS4. I wouldn't want a PS4 on day one unless that were the case. I bought PS3 at launch expecting GT5 to be out around the same time frame GT3 was on PS2 and it was a horrible wait. For the PS4 I've decided to wait until a firm GT6 release date comes.

 

[RedBaron]

Given the capabilities that the PS4 might have, and knowing how perfectionists PD staff is, they would want to push the new console to its limits by creating the most realistic cars in any game. THat would probably mean that they will take twice the time to create a GT6 car in a new console.

This alone is wrong. They already modelled premium cars in GT8 quality and have those wonderful models in their computers ready for maybe next two consoles. Cars are lower quality in game, better in replays and see those cars during menu and static scenes. And models in their computers are even higher quality.

Now it's time to take care of tracks and enviroment around them, because that is two or three levels below car models depending on particular track.

 

[vandaliser]

Source needed.

And even if, maybe just because of bad, inefficient programming... maybe?

Polyphony digital guys are guilty of bad inefficient programming? Do you even know how much ram the ps3 holds?

1280x1080p @60 fps. 2AA

at 720p it's 4AA. 16 cars both offline and online. Dynamic weather and night racing. And that's just the graphics bit. Then there is the physics end of things.

All this at 512 Mb of Ram which at least 50 MB is reserved for the ps3 operating system.

And when you get things like jagged shadows, framerate drops you can tell the ps3 is using every inch of horsepower available.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

That's your source?
Iirc even Kaz said GT5 isn't using all of the PS3s power.

 

[vandaliser]

That's your source?
Iirc even Kaz said GT5 isn't using all of the PS3s power.

Yes, that's why kaz said before the launch of GT5 to forgive him for the frame rate drops and how PD's programmers were complaining about how hard it is to maintain 60 fps at 1080p resolution.

So where's this untapped ps3 power when the engine is struggling to hold 60 fps when all car are bunched up together when it's raining?

 

[joetruckv8]

I don't think I would of said this before GT5 came out, and also I'm only saying this because I have GT5 with (DLC), that I think it should wait for PS4. New game with new technology sounds good to me.

 

[counter345]

That's your source?
Iirc even Kaz said GT5 isn't using all of the PS3s power.

In my opinion, it's quite obvious. It is likely that the graphical fallacies, such as shadows jag, are not part of "inefficient programming", plus, (I hope I'm not the only one that thinks this), but the PlayStation 3 gets a lot hotter playing GT5 instead of, let's say, Colin McRae Dirt 2, which indicates that the processor and the graphics card are running at maximum.

 

[HuskyGT]

This alone is wrong. They already modelled premium cars in GT8 quality and have those wonderful models in their computers ready for maybe next two consoles. Cars are lower quality in game, better in replays and see those cars during menu and static scenes. And models in their computers are even higher quality.

Now it's time to take care of tracks and enviroment around them, because that is two or three levels below car models depending on particular track.

:tup:Well, it might be true, but notice some cars are still showing poligons in some areas. This can be noticed in the edges of the rear view mirrors and in some cases like the ´91 FD RX7, the steering wheel is not smoothly rounded. This added to the fact that most cars have blurry "decal like" interior details is making me think that PD will try to work on them to reach a higher level of detail in the majority of them.

Yes, most cars look beautiful, I most agree with you, but the improvments, even if unnecessary, can be done.

As for the environments and tracks, yes. That´s probably the weakest point in the game. With a more powerfull console those things could be brought to life at the same level of the cars.

 

[Strittan]

Who cares which system it comes out for. Personally I have no idea how much better a ps4 can even get. Like what are they really gonna add to it? Bigger hard drive you can already upgrade, it has blue ray and 3d. The ps3 does everything and anything more could be changed by new firmware updates. I hear some people say more power, but NASA used 7 ps3 before together and said it matched their super computer so I'm sure one can handle any game. GT6 is just going to be what GT5 should of been anyway.

Erm... a better graphic card, a faster CPU and more RAM?

Yes, most cars look beautiful, I most agree with you, but the improvments, even if unnecessary, can be done.

Yes, they can be done, but as you said, it's unnecessary, and the development time would be even longer than GT5's.

As for the environments and tracks, yes. That´s probably the weakest point in the game. With a more powerfull console those things could be brought to life at the same level of the cars.

Yes, the enviroment is the only thing that needs improvement as far as visuals goes, in my opinion.

Keep in mind that everything will look much better with higher AA and smooth shadows.

 

[sikbeta]

This is just specuation, so, IF the PS4 is more like a PS3.5, GT6 will be available in the Release of the new console, GT Franchise is the biggest for SCE, it's a no brainer that it should be there Day one, IF it's a more powerful beast, it'll be after release, but considering that PD will receive help from the WWS, it'll not have a long development cycle ilke GT5, I don't think the game will be available for the PS3, as the console is in its 5th year and a new gaming generation is coming.

 

[SVX]

I don't think so, unless GT6 is going to be released at about 2016, 2017. Because I read in a magazine from 2007 or 2009 that the PS3 is going to be made for 10 years.

 

[krazyivan]

If game developers already have dev-kits, what does that tell us about launch dates?

Does anyone know how the dev-kit cycle works? If games are being written for the PS4 already (big if?) surely that must mean the hardware has already been decided?

And how are Sony going to keep the price of the new console competative with PC hardware? What should we, as consumers, expect to be the minimum hardware spec?

SSD? 1gig GPU? Dual core cpu?

Although I cant wait for PS4 specs to be announced, I can wait for the price!

Edit: I also will be very unhappy if its just PS3Plus - an enhanced PS3 would not be very good at all.

 

[sikbeta]

I don't think so, unless GT6 is going to be released at about 2016, 2017. Because I read in a magazine from 2007 or 2009 that the PS3 is going to be made for 10 years.

That's the Console life cycle, PS2 has as life cycle of 11 years currently, the console still manufactured and sold to consumers, PS3 has a life cycle of 10 years minimum as well, meaning it'll be supported for those 10 years with games, GT6 will not have a long development cycle as GT5, Kaz said it, he'll receive help from the SCE WWS to speed things up 👍

 

[SVX]

... GT6 will not have a long development cycle as GT5, Kaz said it, he'll receive help from the SCE WWS to speed things up 👍

I would say that would happen, because they already have most of the cars and tracks done and modeled, so all they really have to do is 'upgrade'.

 

[Griffith500]

Oh, SSDs - they've proven excellent for gaming. Some of the X360s have some sort of flash memory, too, but I don't know if that's exactly the same thing that's in most SSDs.

The inclusion of large capacity SSDs in the next (or perhaps the following) generation of consoles could prove interesting in terms of data streaming, although it would only be of benefit if the game is installed.

Although I think a nice multi-layer high-speed BluRay reader would work, too, given it can theoretically keep up with a normal 7200 rpm magnetic / mechanical hard drive if the data is on the innermost track of the platter, but is only half as fast if the data is on the very outside. (Kind of like how it is with the HD-DVD in the Xbox360 and the BluRay in the PS3 at the moment!)


Anyway, I still think that GT6 will be on PS3, unless the plans for maintaining and expanding GT5 become more long term, but that has its own problems.

 

[sikbeta]

I would say that would happen, because they already have most of the cars and tracks done and modeled, so all they really have to do is 'upgrade'.

Upgrading the current Engine or developing a new one with the help of the WWS will only make things better, Sony's "Dream Team" is the Ice Team, the group that create and update the best Custom Game Engines for PlayStation Consoles 👍 but what PD also needs is to hire more people and expand the Team to speed up the process of modeling cars

 

[airisom]

Here's the way I see it:
If GT6 comes after the PS4 is released, then it will be GT6
If it's released shortly after the PS4 is released, then it will be GT6P
If it's released on the PS3, then it will be GT5 "Epilogue" or Spec 3

PD shouldn't try to compete with FM4 because it was released near the end of the X360's lifespan, and the next gen xbox is probably going to be released in late 2012-mid 2013 because the DevKit is being released to the major companies before this Christmas. I feel like if PD released GT6 on the PS3, it will be another half way done GT5 with a crapload of patches to go along with it. My advice to PD: complete GT5 through patches (main thing that needs to be finished is premium conversion and graphics fixes if possible), then release GT6 on the PS4

 

[sikbeta]

Here's the way I see it:
If GT6 comes after the PS4 is released, then it will be GT6
If it's released shortly after the PS4 is released, then it will be GT6P
If it's released on the PS3, then it will be GT5 "Epilogue" or Spec 3

PD shouldn't try to compete with FM4 because it was released near the end of the X360's lifespan, and the next gen xbox is probably going to be released in late 2012-mid 2013 because the DevKit is being released to the major companies before this Christmas. I feel like if PD released GT6 on the PS3, it will be another half way done GT5 with a crapload of patches to go along with it. My advice to PD: complete GT5 through patches (main thing that needs to be finished is premium conversion and graphics fixes if possible), then release GT6 on the PS4

Rumors are saying that one Major PlayStation Developer Team is shifting focus to PS4 already, rumored one of the two, Naughty Dog or obviously PD 👍

 

[Watt2159]

I think its too damn early to talk GT6, or PS4, for gods sake GT5 isn't even a year old yet!

 

[daus26]

Rumors are saying that one Major PlayStation Developer Team is shifting focus to PS4 already, rumored one of the two, Naughty Dog or obviously PD 👍

That rumor also stated that that one developer, has ceased support of PS3 software. Unless you don't count PD's future plans with DLC and among other possible updates, PD can't be one of them.

I think its too damn early to talk GT6, or PS4, for gods sake GT5 isn't even a year old yet!

That's true, but the decision on PD's part on whether or not GT6 will be made for the PS3 or PS4 has to be made soon, hopefully by beginning of next year. If it's not decided soon, it'll linger GT6's launch date. Focusing on a clear goal can be a big difference, especially when deciding on two different platforms. Again, it's not about wanting GT6 now.

 

[play3man]

I mean that PD is one of them. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-11-polyphony-working-on-gran-turismo-6-already

 

[Tenacious D]

Yes, (updating Premium car models) can be done, but as you said, it's unnecessary, and the development time would be even longer than GT5's.

Not really. Opening up the car models to smooth the edges of rear view mirrors and such wouldn't take that long, and could be handled by one or two people over the course of a couple of years. The next heaviest workload is updating the Standard cars and tracks to Premium levels, and I suspect that only the tracks would get that treatment.

We all agree though that the team needs more modelers. Adding 10 people to the car modeling team can only produce about 40 new car models in two years, or 10 tracks or so. They really could stand to double the modeling team, at least, but Kaz wants people he can trust, and it takes time to find those exceptional souls to add to the family.

I think its too damn early to talk GT6, or PS4, for gods sake GT5 isn't even a year old yet!

No, it's to early to talk about GT7. We were discussing GT5 just a few months after the release of GT4, and had quite a blast with it. It's not denegrating to GT5 at all, especially since the team is working on GT6 right now.

 

[Watt2159]

I don't mean talking about what we want the next GT to have like wishlists, I mean,talking about the announcement of it, I think PD jumped the gun on it, and it makes it seem as if its being rushed.

 

[daus26]

Well, Kaz did already mention development of GT6 already in process before the release of GT5, so I don't think they're jumping the gun as to rushing it. It's just the plans in thought for the GT franchise. By that, I mean what's clear for them on features that won't be making it to GT5, and saved for GT6.

The problem added to that, is the rise of PS4 rumors with the fact that it might be coming soon, and that coincides with the possibility of GT6 possibly being a PS4 game instead of PS3. This is what we want to know, not exactly when GT6 will be release or the fact that we are wanting them to release it now, or soon. At least that's I'm thinking when discussing this.

 

[sikbeta]

That rumor also stated that that one developer, has ceased support of PS3 software. Unless you don't count PD's future plans with DLC and among other possible updates, PD can't be one of them.

DLC =/= Full Game

That's right, but it's all about how Sony want their next console to perform from day one, that's a decision that will be made by SCE and knowing GT is the flagship title of PlayStation since the first one, the more logical move would be to have GT6 on release of the PS4, PD can support GT5 with DLC like for example new cars, that will be available in GT6, basically they'd be making car models for the new game and release a limited amount as DLC for GT5, win-win situation, example: Honda HSV-010 as DLC now and available in GT6 whenever is released 👍

 

[mykem]

Who cares which system it comes out for. Personally I have no idea how much better a ps4 can even get. Like what are they really gonna add to it? Bigger hard drive you can already upgrade, it has blue ray and 3d. The ps3 does everything and anything more could be changed by new firmware updates. I hear some people say more power, but NASA used 7 ps3 before together and said it matched their super computer so I'm sure one can handle any game. GT6 is just going to be what GT5 should of been anyway.

First of all I'm not a technical guy- the last time I used a Windows computer was more than 5 years ago. But I do know that PS3, for example, can use more graphic power. This would be similar to upgrading a 3 year old graphic card with something faster and more memory.

Microsoft is already hinting at a newer Xbox and Nintendo is definitely coming with something new next year. Sony can't afford to be caught off-guard as it did with the PS3. And unlike the PS3, there's no need to wait for another optical disc technology- Blu ray has enough space to hold even the most graphic/audio intensive game. Besides, Steam/Netflix prove that optical disc based game/movie is no longer necessary.

If there's one thing that needs waiting is even higher resolution video- Ultra-HD. Which brings back to the requirement of a more powerful GPU- if you have the power even 7,680 × 4,320 pixel is possible. Now I can't wait to play GT5 at that resolution (and the car built from gazillion polygons).

 

[Grayfox]

GT1 was on PS1
GT2 was on PS1
GT3 was on PS2
GT4 was on PS2
GT5 is on PS3
GT6 will be on PS3

See where I am going with this?

 

[brainfade]

Didn't know a video game could be the mayor of a console?

+1 some people are acting like GT6 is dictating PS4, but if it is for PS4, it will be interesting to see if it makes use of what I think is the next big thing = augmented reality, and it will be interesting to see how GT makes use of this if it does.

However, I still think it is going to be on PS3 as I do recall, Kaz saying in an interview (I'm not sure which exact interview it is, but it is on this site somewhere) that GT5 is like the core operating system base and the next GT will be software for that core, like GT2 was for GT1.