GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[TechnoIsLove]

Honestly, it's about smoothness now. I have a loadcell and that is easier to modulate a bit more but not by much.

I'm only top 800 and 900 on UK/US so no where near the aliens. For me this week it's about smoother earlier braking and trading steering angle for throttle and brake.

I'll be 1.49 tomorrow as that's where my optimums are but genuinely it's about picking them moments to feed off the brakes and FEED the power in. Sector 3 is by far the biggest time killer so don't over push there.

My biggest loss of momentum is the first chicane on Turn 1 and the exit of the tunnel at the start of Sector 2, onto the long straight. I lose a second in those 2 corners, the rest I keep to within a few tenths from the mid-400 rank times :/

 

[newmedia_dev]

My biggest loss of momentum is the first chicane on Turn 1 and the exit of the tunnel at the start of Sector 2, onto the long straight. I lose a second in those 2 corners, the rest I keep to within a few tenths from the mid-400 rank times :/

T1 is just flow and throttle timing. I have seen a lot of people over slow for it and I understand why, it's a fine line between cutting it. The most important part is balancing it on the crest to control the car for the left. You know this but saying for other readers. Lift of slightly and let the car balance and then depending on your line pin it or feather or like me catch the slide.

The turn in to the tunnel I have no idea how to be consistent, or what gear is! Second seems the fastest, 3rd my best times 🤷‍♂️

Different topic:

Using my main account today with ZERO races on it today FULL SR and DR A by just under a quarter.

Do a race. Start P2, a bit of lag and a bit of me throwing it off ON MY OWN, and then crashed for a second time ON MY OWN, quit the race and now I'm SR A. That is a massive massive leap for a quit

 

[mellofello9]

Finally did something productive with lunch...won a race.👍

A+ finish, D- screenshot...

It's nice being able to convert a pole start, and got lucky I did. Went with the LFA to change things up a bit. Ran a lap and took a couple second off my QT ( sorry @Mc_Yavel 😁) and was feeling pretty good. All of that got flushed down the tubes at T1 when I damn near mowed the grass. Took a couple turns to shake that but was easy sailing from there.

I thought P2 was gonna have a shot but they got Schwedencruze'd...been a busy wall this week.🤣

 

[Darken Azriel]

I'm really perplexed this week... Usually, I get a feeling of yeah, top times are doing something better than me. If it's braking smoother, better cornering exit speeds, etc. I do feel (most times) that not having a load cell on the DD Pro costs me some time but this week, it's something different. Something which I honestly cannot comprehend (Gr3 Race B).

It the change of direction the faster times manage! Not talking about handling/ controlling the car when turning. I am talking about the actual turning i.e. going from straight to full left or right turn or else from side to side.

I tried a million settings but even at much lower speeds, the car just doesn't change direction as quick. I watched so many replays and yes, there is a bit of a difference in skill (obviously) but I lose the ghosts only when it comes to shifting the way the car should point...

Am I missing something here? Anyone else feels the same or noticed it? Or better yet, solve it! 😂 🤪

In my opinion the difference is brake balance. I start at zero and get a feel for rotation or lack of stability. If I need more rotation I move as far to the rear as I can without losing the back end or to the front if the car needs more stability.

This is simplifying the answer a bit as it's very car dependant. I'm running the BRZ for race B and it generates better rotation with more downforce (higher speeds) so brake balance is only one part of equation.

 

[Kriptical]

It took me 14 races, 13 with SR increases, to get my SR from low A back to full S.

There isn't much SR on offer at the Ring this week.

Think its clean sectors. So, a single run wouldn’t equal multiple laps.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Think its clean sectors. So, a single run wouldn’t equal multiple laps.

No you gain more SR on close racing rather than driving around. You will gain but not as much.

In my opinion the difference is brake balance. I start at zero and get a feel for rotation or lack of stability. If I need more rotation I move as far to the rear as I can without losing the back end or to the front if the car needs more stability.

This is simplifying the answer a bit as it's very car dependant. I'm running the BRZ for race B and it generates better rotation with more downforce (higher speeds) so brake balance is only one part of equation.

If you are loosing the back of the car it's your technique, I'm using BB 2/3 to the front and that is top 1000 times across 2 accounts.

Just out of curiosity have you golded the TM circuit experience? That goes to all that follow this thread?

 

[afc5150]

No you gain more SR on close racing rather than driving around. You will gain but not as much.

But it's clean sectors that matter. A clean sector is a clean sector whether you're blasting around on your own or in a pack of cars.

 

[newmedia_dev]

But it's clean sectors that matter. A clean sector is a clean sector whether you're blasting around on your own or in a pack of cars.

That is not true.

Go a race bumper to bumper and even get penalties you can gain SR

Park it in the pits on lap 1-2 you will gain or keep SR.

Just driving doesn't give you optimum SR gains. Racing closely but safely does. They used to have arrows for it in previous games.

To be clear, not racing anyone gains SR (but you are trading DR or just wasting time if you want SR to mean anything and not enjoying the RACE)

The more you can race closely with others shows more control and restraint.

It also shows you want to race seriously, with skin in the game if DR is your thing.

But SR is just a small part of the equation and how you get or gain it isn't just about coming last all the time.

Edit:

To be very clear ramming a person and getting a 5s pen doesn't make your next sectors ok.

 

[Haitauer]

Holycrap that Trial Mountain just tore apart my SR. Is it the weekend? People are all over the place spinning, early braking, even brake checking. If trying to race its one big evasion manuver and if trying to stay clear the guys behind will run you over. 🤕 Just went from SR S to SR B without a single penalty. 😵 Its not even dirty racing - its just messy as H...

 

[Charmantha]

I'm really perplexed this week... Usually, I get a feeling of yeah, top times are doing something better than me. If it's braking smoother, better cornering exit speeds, etc. I do feel (most times) that not having a load cell on the DD Pro costs me some time but this week, it's something different. Something which I honestly cannot comprehend (Gr3 Race B).

It the change of direction the faster times manage! Not talking about handling/ controlling the car when turning. I am talking about the actual turning i.e. going from straight to full left or right turn or else from side to side.

I tried a million settings but even at much lower speeds, the car just doesn't change direction as quick. I watched so many replays and yes, there is a bit of a difference in skill (obviously) but I lose the ghosts only when it comes to shifting the way the car should point...

Am I missing something here? Anyone else feels the same or noticed it? Or better yet, solve it! 😂 🤪

Yes, that could be it. I just felt like I was driving a gr4 car. It all felt too slow. And I was trying nearly every car and - 3 to +5bb drive assistance on / off. Especially the right after the tunnel was always my favorite, now I'm using break assistance and still go wide or too slow.
I settled to - MR car= -1bb 0tcm but for the last 4corners tcm1.
My quickest is in the 911 1.53.005

 

[afc5150]

That is not true.

So you're saying a race win in race A this week from last place with CRB will gain more SR than a win from pole with CRB?

I've always thought SR was calculated on clean sectors, going back to GT Sport when the arrows would show us the clean sectors and we had Kudosprime to actually look at the data.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I'm only top 800 and 900 on UK/US

 

[NAXEHT]

That is not true.

Go a race bumper to bumper and even get penalties you can gain SR

Park it in the pits on lap 1-2 you will gain or keep SR.

Just driving doesn't give you optimum SR gains. Racing closely but safely does. They used to have arrows for it in previous games.

To be clear, not racing anyone gains SR (but you are trading DR or just wasting time if you want SR to mean anything and not enjoying the RACE)

The more you can race closely with others shows more control and restraint.

It also shows you want to race seriously, with skin in the game if DR is your thing.

But SR is just a small part of the equation and how you get or gain it isn't just about coming last all the time.

Edit:

To be very clear ramming a person and getting a 5s pen doesn't make your next sectors ok.

No. How’d you come to this conclusion? It’s not like you describe.

So you're saying a race win in race A this week from last place with CRB will gain more SR than a win from pole with CRB?

That’s what he’s saying but it’s incorrect.

I've always thought SR was calculated on clean sectors, going back to GT Sport when the arrows would show us the clean sectors and we had Kudosprime to actually look at the data.

^ This is how it works.

 

[mellofello9]

Showed-up for Friday Night Fights at Trial Mountain and...wait...good clean racing???🤣🤣🤣

Had some decent runs there this evening. My pace still isn't where I want it but I got tired of racing a clock that kept defeating me. Soulless, that clock is. Anyway, starting P3 - 6 landed me a couple podiums and top-5's, which is always awesome. Did NOT expect to hit crb's since evening/weekends are always cranked to 11 but managed a string of those, too.

Hopefully this keeps up. I emerged from my 'Ring induced haze for a minute fully expecting hate-fueled carnage on the hill. Not at all what I got. Fingers crossed the rest of you can find a lobby or ten of the same this weekend.👍

 

[newmedia_dev]

No. How’d you come to this conclusion? It’s not like you describe.

That’s what he’s saying but it’s incorrect.
^ This is how it works.

We are talking about the same thing....

You can gain SR simply by driving around (sectors much like deltas are just a point to measure from)

You will gain more SR racing other cars closely without incident, overtakes or being overtaken without contact or side by side racing.

If it was based purely on sectors then you'd expect to get 14x more SR from the nordschlife than say the Tri Oval at Daytona?

To be clear just driving around at the back can gain you SR but it's at a slower rate than being in proximity to other cars cleanly (following, side by side, over taking, being over
taken etc)

This is why parking it in the pits can help save/or modestly gain SR vs the massive quitting penalty you get.

Edit:

From the manual

From a 3rd party

Both of these things can be true at the same time.

"Just driving incident free will nett SR"
"Closely racing with other cars without incident will nett SR at a faster rate"

 

[benjoi84]

"Only 33 races"

 

[Barney Da Dog]

CRB is weird...

I had a race from pole at Suzuka, fastest lap, no penalties, no contact... and I got no CRB

The next race from pole, fastest lap, no penalties, but I did going flying up the back of someone after my pitstop - hard enough to cause damage.... but this time I did get a CRB??

 

[Talon16]

We are talking about the same thing....

You can gain SR simply by driving around (sectors much like deltas are just a point to measure from)

You will gain more SR racing other cars closely without incident, overtakes or being overtaken without contact or side by side racing.

If it was based purely on sectors then you'd expect to get 14x more SR from the nordschlife than say the Tri Oval at Daytona?

To be clear just driving around at the back can gain you SR but it's at a slower rate than being in proximity to other cars cleanly (following, side by side, over taking, being over
taken etc)

This is why parking it in the pits can help save/or modestly gain SR vs the massive quitting penalty you get.

Edit:

From the manual
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From a 3rd party
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Both of these things can be true at the same time.

"Just driving incident free will nett SR"
"Closely racing with other cars without incident will nett SR at a faster rate"

Against my better judgement in getting involved, I'm throwing in my $.02. I am like 99.99% sure you're wrong, mate. A clean sector- whether you go side-by-side with another driver or you're by yourself - is a clean sector.

Yes, you can go side-by-side with another driver through T1/T2 of Monza and gain SR, but it's not because there was another car next to you; rather it's because you took those turns clean (ie, no contact and no offs). Same thing you can do while driving by yourself (no contact and no offs), it's just the 'no contact' part becomes a bit easier, per say. No contact is no contact regardless of how many cars are around. It's binary: either you have contact with another car or you don't.

That last quote you say (I bolded it) is nowhere to be found in either of your references. However, the following one is: "You will earn points for completing sections of a race cleanly." That's all there is to it, mate. Drive through a sector cleanly and you gain SR; whether your next to another driver vs the amount of SR gained has nothing to do with it.

 

[newmedia_dev]

@Talon16 I agree now that's what my edit was intended to show and by including what was in the manual.

 

[Mc_Yavel]

@mellofello9 I didn't even have time to come here and brag about beating your time.

It's really a different mindset now that I start from top 3. Instead of being smooth and careful racing from the back, I now see a possible win and other fast guys behind. So I push more and subsequently do more mistake.

From the 4 races I did yesterday I went off somewhere along the lap and finish equal or lower than my starting position. Best result is a 3rd

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Ah, it's wonderful to see some things never change around here. 😂 You guys keep on being who you are!

On the subject of CRB, I had a race yesterday where I got spun out by a tap on my right butt cheek, and I still got a CRB, which actually makes sense because it wasn't my fault. So why am I posting this? Refer to the previous sentence, specifically, "which actually makes sense". 😮

 

[Sum1s2pid]

Mentally exhausted. Improving my Race A's QT is tough!

NSX Type R - 7:13.031

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

which actually makes sense because it wasn't my fault.

Of course I tempted fate.



Like I could have avoided this? 4 second penalty. Added to the 3 second penalty from the previous lap (which I actually deserved), means this race hurt.

 

[Sum1s2pid]

Yeah, that's enough Race A QT for today. Poor car... 😅

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Poor car... 😅

Sure glad we don't have to pay for the paint!

 

[Sum1s2pid]

Sure glad we don't have to pay for the paint!

 

[newmedia_dev]

Of course I tempted fate.



Like I could have avoided this? 4 second penalty. Added to the 3 second penalty from the previous lap (which I actually deserved), means this race hurt.

See this is why I love these scenarios....the penalty lets me get get away with it and sadly it's your turn to take pens I should have had....

Next time I moan no doubt you will have had a clean race!!!

If it is any (and it's not a lot) went through a ghost that un ghosted as I went through it, damage and penalty...

I have a vid but can't be bothered to post it. It's on my YT somewhere

 

[mellofello9]

@mellofello9 I didn't even have time to come here and brag about beating your time.

It's really a different mindset now that I start from top 3. Instead of being smooth and careful racing from the back, I now see a possible win and other fast guys behind. So I push more and subsequently do more mistake.

From the 4 races I did yesterday I went off somewhere along the lap and finish equal or lower than my starting position. Best result is a 3rd

Complete fluke but thought it was kinda funny. Wanted to go race, didn't want to start cold, that happened. You're right, though, it's a LOT more relaxing breezing along at your own pace -vs- having that 'win' carrot dangling in front of you...and a pack of hungry rabbits on your bumper. Nice lap!👍

Today kinda banged up the bell curve on my 'morning racing is cleaner' scale. There was some absolute carnage on the mountain today. Had a lot of good races as I/we were able to keep most of the mayhem in the rearview so I won't complain. Most had a pack of 3-6 drivers gap the rest of the crowd so if I could hang, good times were to be had.

This wasn't one of those times. Started P3 but got blasted at the first hairpin in the woods. Maintained but the whole damn group was now in tow. Got to big bend at the bottom of the hill and it all went south...I thought we were going into the turn two-wide. I was wrong. Now I was P13.🤣

Ended P6, tho. 😁

@GrumpyOldMan like you'd have us any other way!!🤣

 

[afc5150]

After picking up a 3rd win at the Ring early this morning, I might call it for the week. Always a fun time when the Green Hell is involved.

Races - 21
Wins - 3
Podium - 13
Top 5 - 15
Pole position - 5
Average start - 3.2
Average finish - 4.4

I did 2 races with no qualy time then set a 7:03:2xx which kept me toward the front of most of my races.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Racing on my US account today just for variety and I'll be honest I was taken aback on both the pace and racing quality in A lobbies, the EMEA can be a bit rough but in A or A+ / S lobbies it's pretty shocking.

How in the hell do you get to A ranked and in a line of cars think you can brake later than the person in front? To go where? There is many many cars all braking and taking the racing line.

I repeat how can you get to A level and rear end people? If you still do regularly then FML, BRAKE BEFORE THE CAR IN FRONT DOES!.

It's like playing a bunch of amateurs. In the EMEA it's just more running wide or blatant, the US ones tonight have been push to passholes

Rant over.

Edit:

To be clear have zero problems being over taken and some races aren't there for me to win. That is all cool and the nature of racing.

What has aggravated me the most is that ramming through and then not leaving space. Cool you forced a pass/rear ended me because clearly people only brake when they see lights :/