GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Bullwinkle]

I am going to ask one last time (3rd) - where did my in-race penalty banner go for opponents? I used to know when they got a penalty, now there is no banner and I don't know they have a penalty until they ghost at the penalty line. Google and reddit have not helped with an answer. I do not know of any in-game switch I flipped. WTH?? I am the point of reloading the game as it's really shackling my buzz.

I think if you click on the settings while in a race (that gear next to the warmup lap) and select "video" or whatever it's called, you can choose what is displayed in the race. I'm not sure if this is one of the options, but maybe if you change your selection and then change it back it'll clear the problem up?

AHEM (please excuse me while I climb up on my soap box)
After racing 10 times today and around that many yesterday at Daytona, I've had one P4 and one P3 finish. The rest of them were all dead last or second to last. that 18 out of 20 races I got punted right off the track, usually in turn 1, and left so far behind that I could never catch up. You could say I just have bad luck, but that's statistically ridiculous, so I looked at some replays. Here's what seems to be happening:

• I'm trying to drive clean with a bunch of A drivers who aren't.
• It's not bad luck that I'm getting hit, it's symptomatic of me trying to give the people in front of me room in congested and contested areas like T1.
• Because I'm hanging back a bit and steering clear, I'm finding myself an open target for the people who aren't.
• If I take a racing line that varies in any way from their "drift the GT-R around T1" then I get nailed, either because they aren't bothering to adjust or simply because they're sweeping everyone off the track as they slide sideways through the turn.
• It's very similar at the bus stop as well.
• I can't count on the perpetrators to have to take a penalty, so as I'm spinning into the infield they are driving off into the sunset without penalty.

Whoever said that it's fun to race from the back, I have to vehemently disagree here for this reason: I'm angry because I got taken out of the race and there is absolutely no amount of skill that will catch me up when everyone else has slipstream. In addition to that, I can't just quietly quit out of the game and go do something that actually is more fun because, by some incredibly insulting twist of logic, I'm the one being called dirty and taking a hit to my SR if I quit. This is the opposite of fun. I'd rather hot lap than "race" from the back, unable to quit when I get bored for the next 9 laps because I don't want my SR to drop. Not that it matters, because I'm already getting matched with horribly dirty drivers . . . .

PD can suck a huge one. I'm so pissed off because the more I'm trying to play clean (like that godawful video begs us to do) the more I'm getting the brunt of everyone else's bad sportsmanship. Without a legitimate penalty system, there is no fun to be had for someone like me who's trying to learn and get better, especially in a Race C. Forcing me to drive 10 laps with no hope of catching up so that I'm not hit with a bad sportsmanship SR penalty is just beyond insulting.

I'm with @GaugeForever in thinking that I need to quit for a while until PD can get it's head out of its ***. I'm not sure why they are willing to lose devoted players like the folks on this forum so that they can cater to the lowest common denominator of wreckless tweeners. Kay's stupid "interview" where he said that the two ways of playing reveal very different demographics was incredibly revealing, and I guess I just have to admit that, other than the A+ drivers way off in the distance in front of me, I'm stuck racing with children.

WHEW (I'm climbing off my soap box now so I can turn it over and sit in it and have more fun making vroom vroom noises and fake racing than I am with this stupid PD product)

Just . . .

 

[D_Dragline]

Here are a couple racing incidents that happened in 1 lap at Daytona. The one between T1 and T2 I felt like was a racing incident at the time but I was a little unsure so I went thru the preceding S gently and let the guy have his position.

The second one, going into Bus Stop, I was pretty certain wasn't my fault so I didn't slow down and wait. After watching the replay I feel confident in that being his fault 100% but he was capital M Mad in chat afterwards. I cruised on to win from that point with P2 about 3 secs behind the whole time. Got the CRB too.

What do you guys think?

Turn 1 was a racing incident. He did very well to hold the car through the turn.

The chicane however… drivers like him irritate me greatly. If you choose to take the inside like he did, then you’ve committed to a compromised entry. To assume the guy outside will just get out of the way so you can move across is the height of entitlement. He got what he deserved there but the fact he got angry probably means he’ll keep doing it.

 

[Charlie56560]

I think if you click on the settings while in a race (that gear next to the warmup lap) and select "video" or whatever it's called, you can choose what is displayed in the race. I'm not sure if this is one of the options, but maybe if you change your selection and then change it back it'll clear the problem up?

AHEM (please excuse me while I climb up on my soap box)
After racing 10 times today and around that many yesterday at Daytona, I've had one P4 and one P3 finish. The rest of them were all dead last or second to last. that 18 out of 20 races I got punted right off the track, usually in turn 1, and left so far behind that I could never catch up. You could say I just have bad luck, but that's statistically ridiculous, so I looked at some replays. Here's what seems to be happening:

• I'm trying to drive clean with a bunch of A drivers who aren't.
• It's not bad luck that I'm getting hit, it's symptomatic of me trying to give the people in front of me room in congested and contested areas like T1.
• Because I'm hanging back a bit and steering clear, I'm finding myself an open target for the people who aren't.
• If I take a racing line that varies in any way from their "drift the GT-R around T1" then I get nailed, either because they aren't bothering to adjust or simply because they're sweeping everyone off the track as they slide sideways through the turn.
• It's very similar at the bus stop as well.
• I can't count on the perpetrators to have to take a penalty, so as I'm spinning into the infield they are driving off into the sunset without penalty.

Whoever said that it's fun to race from the back, I have to vehemently disagree here for this reason: I'm angry because I got taken out of the race and there is absolutely no amount of skill that will catch me up when everyone else has slipstream. In addition to that, I can't just quietly quit out of the game and go do something that actually is more fun because, by some incredibly insulting twist of logic, I'm the one being called dirty and taking a hit to my SR if I quit. This is the opposite of fun. I'd rather hot lap than "race" from the back, unable to quit when I get bored for the next 9 laps because I don't want my SR to drop. Not that it matters, because I'm already getting matched with horribly dirty drivers . . . .

PD can suck a huge one. I'm so pissed off because the more I'm trying to play clean (like that godawful video begs us to do) the more I'm getting the brunt of everyone else's bad sportsmanship. Without a legitimate penalty system, there is no fun to be had for someone like me who's trying to learn and get better, especially in a Race C. Forcing me to drive 10 laps with no hope of catching up so that I'm not hit with a bad sportsmanship SR penalty is just beyond insulting.

I'm with @GaugeForever in thinking that I need to quit for a while until PD can get it's head out of its ***. I'm not sure why they are willing to lose devoted players like the folks on this forum so that they can cater to the lowest common denominator of wreckless tweeners. Kay's stupid "interview" where he said that the two ways of playing reveal very different demographics was incredibly revealing, and I guess I just have to admit that, other than the A+ drivers way off in the distance in front of me, I'm stuck racing with children.

WHEW (I'm climbing off my soap box now so I can turn it over and sit in it and have more fun making vroom vroom noises and fake racing than I am with this stupid PD product)

Just . . .

GT is a driving game, not a racing game. It's not GT's fault, it's the other drivers. If the AI was any good at all on line participation would drop like a rock. If you want a good racing game play Mario Kart. Enjoy it for what it is.

 

[jrbabbitt]

Patience pays off, Daily Race C with an AT and TCS at 1. Using a controller too.
This was my most rewarding race to date, I did my best to stay up front.

 

[Mercia]

Here are a couple racing incidents that happened in 1 lap at Daytona. The one between T1 and T2 I felt like was a racing incident at the time but I was a little unsure so I went thru the preceding S gently and let the guy have his position.

The second one, going into Bus Stop, I was pretty certain wasn't my fault so I didn't slow down and wait. After watching the replay I feel confident in that being his fault 100% but he was capital M Mad in chat afterwards. I cruised on to win from that point with P2 about 3 secs behind the whole time. Got the CRB too.

What do you guys think?

Your analysis is spot on, the first one is fine, no issues with it, ti's a tough corner to go into two wide and you gave him the position as it was your contact that caused him to go wide.

Second one, he shouldn't be coming across you like that, it's obvious you're on the outside, it's a silly move to force you to back up I guess? Or just not paying enough attention, either way it ended with a deserved mess up from him and you were able to go through.

 

[GaugeForever]

I think if you click on the settings while in a race (that gear next to the warmup lap) and select "video" or whatever it's called, you can choose what is displayed in the race. I'm not sure if this is one of the options, but maybe if you change your selection and then change it back it'll clear the problem up?

AHEM (please excuse me while I climb up on my soap box)
After racing 10 times today and around that many yesterday at Daytona, I've had one P4 and one P3 finish. The rest of them were all dead last or second to last. that 18 out of 20 races I got punted right off the track, usually in turn 1, and left so far behind that I could never catch up. You could say I just have bad luck, but that's statistically ridiculous, so I looked at some replays. Here's what seems to be happening:

• I'm trying to drive clean with a bunch of A drivers who aren't.
• It's not bad luck that I'm getting hit, it's symptomatic of me trying to give the people in front of me room in congested and contested areas like T1.
• Because I'm hanging back a bit and steering clear, I'm finding myself an open target for the people who aren't.
• If I take a racing line that varies in any way from their "drift the GT-R around T1" then I get nailed, either because they aren't bothering to adjust or simply because they're sweeping everyone off the track as they slide sideways through the turn.
• It's very similar at the bus stop as well.
• I can't count on the perpetrators to have to take a penalty, so as I'm spinning into the infield they are driving off into the sunset without penalty.

Whoever said that it's fun to race from the back, I have to vehemently disagree here for this reason: I'm angry because I got taken out of the race and there is absolutely no amount of skill that will catch me up when everyone else has slipstream. In addition to that, I can't just quietly quit out of the game and go do something that actually is more fun because, by some incredibly insulting twist of logic, I'm the one being called dirty and taking a hit to my SR if I quit. This is the opposite of fun. I'd rather hot lap than "race" from the back, unable to quit when I get bored for the next 9 laps because I don't want my SR to drop. Not that it matters, because I'm already getting matched with horribly dirty drivers . . . .

PD can suck a huge one. I'm so pissed off because the more I'm trying to play clean (like that godawful video begs us to do) the more I'm getting the brunt of everyone else's bad sportsmanship. Without a legitimate penalty system, there is no fun to be had for someone like me who's trying to learn and get better, especially in a Race C. Forcing me to drive 10 laps with no hope of catching up so that I'm not hit with a bad sportsmanship SR penalty is just beyond insulting.

I'm with @GaugeForever in thinking that I need to quit for a while until PD can get it's head out of its ***. I'm not sure why they are willing to lose devoted players like the folks on this forum so that they can cater to the lowest common denominator of wreckless tweeners. Kay's stupid "interview" where he said that the two ways of playing reveal very different demographics was incredibly revealing, and I guess I just have to admit that, other than the A+ drivers way off in the distance in front of me, I'm stuck racing with children.

WHEW (I'm climbing off my soap box now so I can turn it over and sit in it and have more fun making vroom vroom noises and fake racing than I am with this stupid PD product)

Just . . .

Not that it’ll make you feel better but it doesn’t seem like SR matters a whole lot. You should just quit lol. You’ve seen the lobbies. Even if you maintain an S SR you’ll still get matched with trash drivers. Not to mention you can be horrendously bad and still maintain S if you finish the race so S doesn’t even mean clean. It’s a completely useless rating system.

Even more fun for the penalty system is getting punted into a wall and getting a penalty because the entire perimeter of the track has to be a penalty for… reasons, while the punter rides off into a top 5

There unfortunately aren’t many options unless you have a PC. There is ACC but that’s as much about tinkering with microscopic adjustments to settings than it is about actually racing. iRacing is ok if you have a PC. You can even send in replays and they will ban people.

What can you do though? Not much when the options are so limited. Let’s hope forza has a half decent penalty system and then we will have a legitimate option at least. I’ve always found forza to be a more fun game anyways, the online is horrendous though heh.

If you think the dailies were bad, you should have seen the manufacturer’s cup yesterday. Wow.

 

[rAtey]

I think if you click on the settings while in a race (that gear next to the warmup lap) and select "video" or whatever it's called, you can choose what is displayed in the race. I'm not sure if this is one of the options, but maybe if you change your selection and then change it back it'll clear the problem up?

AHEM (please excuse me while I climb up on my soap box)
After racing 10 times today and around that many yesterday at Daytona, I've had one P4 and one P3 finish. The rest of them were all dead last or second to last. that 18 out of 20 races I got punted right off the track, usually in turn 1, and left so far behind that I could never catch up. You could say I just have bad luck, but that's statistically ridiculous, so I looked at some replays. Here's what seems to be happening:

• I'm trying to drive clean with a bunch of A drivers who aren't.
• It's not bad luck that I'm getting hit, it's symptomatic of me trying to give the people in front of me room in congested and contested areas like T1.
• Because I'm hanging back a bit and steering clear, I'm finding myself an open target for the people who aren't.
• If I take a racing line that varies in any way from their "drift the GT-R around T1" then I get nailed, either because they aren't bothering to adjust or simply because they're sweeping everyone off the track as they slide sideways through the turn.
• It's very similar at the bus stop as well.
• I can't count on the perpetrators to have to take a penalty, so as I'm spinning into the infield they are driving off into the sunset without penalty.

Whoever said that it's fun to race from the back, I have to vehemently disagree here for this reason: I'm angry because I got taken out of the race and there is absolutely no amount of skill that will catch me up when everyone else has slipstream. In addition to that, I can't just quietly quit out of the game and go do something that actually is more fun because, by some incredibly insulting twist of logic, I'm the one being called dirty and taking a hit to my SR if I quit. This is the opposite of fun. I'd rather hot lap than "race" from the back, unable to quit when I get bored for the next 9 laps because I don't want my SR to drop. Not that it matters, because I'm already getting matched with horribly dirty drivers . . . .

PD can suck a huge one. I'm so pissed off because the more I'm trying to play clean (like that godawful video begs us to do) the more I'm getting the brunt of everyone else's bad sportsmanship. Without a legitimate penalty system, there is no fun to be had for someone like me who's trying to learn and get better, especially in a Race C. Forcing me to drive 10 laps with no hope of catching up so that I'm not hit with a bad sportsmanship SR penalty is just beyond insulting.

I'm with @GaugeForever in thinking that I need to quit for a while until PD can get it's head out of its ***. I'm not sure why they are willing to lose devoted players like the folks on this forum so that they can cater to the lowest common denominator of wreckless tweeners. Kay's stupid "interview" where he said that the two ways of playing reveal very different demographics was incredibly revealing, and I guess I just have to admit that, other than the A+ drivers way off in the distance in front of me, I'm stuck racing with children.

WHEW (I'm climbing off my soap box now so I can turn it over and sit in it and have more fun making vroom vroom noises and fake racing than I am with this stupid PD product)

Just . . .

I feel for you, I really do. I get getting pissed when you are rammed, because it ruins the fun.

However, I think you are just playing a bit too much, which will burn you out. 10 Times race C is about 250 minutes without actual waiting. That is more than 4 hours. Instead of completely quitting you could try to do just a few. Next I want to encourage you to forget about DR. Who cares what it says on top? If you don't enjoy the race then quit. Next race you'll start on lower DR, and higher up the grid, which will put you back on the original DR. Good luck

 

[TechnoIsLove]

Here are a couple racing incidents that happened in 1 lap at Daytona. The one between T1 and T2 I felt like was a racing incident at the time but I was a little unsure so I went thru the preceding S gently and let the guy have his position.

The second one, going into Bus Stop, I was pretty certain wasn't my fault so I didn't slow down and wait. After watching the replay I feel confident in that being his fault 100% but he was capital M Mad in chat afterwards. I cruised on to win from that point with P2 about 3 secs behind the whole time. Got the CRB too.

What do you guys think?

Both times his fault. Either doesn't care about others or has no awareness of what's next to him.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Your secrecy about the table makes me more curious than if you just post it without comment!

I mean surely the DR part is done by just calculating the percentage based on the pixel count? Which is what Kudosprime does for you anyway. The rest is straightforward, so for me the "don't ask" raises more questions than it prevents lol.

I added an explanation here.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

I added an explanation here.

Well that looks slightly more sophisticated than my method of taking "screenshots" with my phone. 🤣🍻

 

[Bullwinkle]

Here are a couple racing incidents that happened in 1 lap at Daytona. The one between T1 and T2 I felt like was a racing incident at the time but I was a little unsure so I went thru the preceding S gently and let the guy have his position.

The second one, going into Bus Stop, I was pretty certain wasn't my fault so I didn't slow down and wait. After watching the replay I feel confident in that being his fault 100% but he was capital M Mad in chat afterwards. I cruised on to win from that point with P2 about 3 secs behind the whole time. Got the CRB too.

What do you guys think?

I’ll add a different perspective, although I won’t disagree with what others have said. Turn 1 potentially looks dirty because of the contact, although you both came out unscathed. The other driver might think you did it on purpose and that he out-raced you to the next corner and took his rightful spot back.

The bus stop is just weird though. I’m not sure why he dropped down to the inside line. It may be because he was setting you up to be in a suboptimal line for the turns, which is fine. But then it looked like he tried to squeeze you into the wall, in which case he got what he deserved.

However, it could also be the case that he is inexperienced and doesn’t know his blind spots very well and thought he had room to slide in front of you. His inexperience may also be why he was so angry, since he may have felt bullied by a better driver, etc. in this case, however, it’s a driving incident and not your fault.

I’m not sure this helps anything, especially after I went in my crazy rant about horrible drivers last night! But the video reminds me to stop making assumptions about all the “dirty” drivers around me. Thanks for that! 🙏

 

[Leon Kowalski]

I’ll add a different perspective, although I won’t disagree with what others have said. Turn 1 potentially looks dirty because of the contact, although you both came out unscathed. The other driver might think you did it on purpose and that he out-raced you to the next corner and took his rightful spot back.

The bus stop is just weird though. I’m not sure why he dropped down to the inside line. It may be because he was setting you up to be in a suboptimal line for the turns, which is fine. But then it looked like he tried to squeeze you into the wall, in which case he got what he deserved.

However, it could also be the case that he is inexperienced and doesn’t know his blind spots very well and thought he had room to slide in front of you. His inexperience may also be why he was so angry, since he may have felt bullied by a better driver, etc. in this case, however, it’s a driving incident and not your fault.

I’m not sure this helps anything, especially after I went in my crazy rant about horrible drivers last night! But the video reminds me to stop making assumptions about all the “dirty” drivers around me. Thanks for that! 🙏

Comparing your latest experiences, and those of others, with my personal daily race adventures, which haven't been THAT bad lately: Although solely based on anecdotal evidence, is there maybe some noticeable difference in the average behaviour of people on the american servers, compared to the european ones? Some guys here race on both, has someone an idea about it? Or is it just the random ebb and flow of things?

 

[Mercia]

But the video reminds me to stop making assumptions about all the “dirty” drivers around me. Thanks for that! 🙏

There's a good point to be made here. I. play in cockpit view, and I can't tell you how many times I've felt like I've been pushed, shoved, punted, hit by someone being a dirty driver but when I've gone back to check the replay, eh, it was no big deal really.

If just felt dirty, felt magnified in the heat of the race. But in reality, someone braked slightly too late and bumped me, didn't see me when turning, was more alongside or less alongside than I had thought in the race, or just simply made a mistake and there was nothing intentional about it. Or indeed it was actually my own fault for one reason or another.

This kind of realisation helped me care a lot less about scrapping for pointless places, and become a cleaner, more aware driver myself.

And NOT react when the red mist drops, which is the most important take away because in that second, you don't have all the facts.

 

[sixty4half]

@Bullwinkle

my only suggestion about your current situation is; Be more selective about the races you get into.

Example anecdote; I'm legit trying to reach A for the first time since GT Sport came out. I did a total of zero ranked races last week because I simply did not like the two combinations that were presented to us. I'm not great on either track, and I'm trying to achieve a certain goal right now. If I had done a bunch of St Croix races last week I would probably be back to half way thru B. This week PD gifted me with Daytona, a track I farm (3-chili GT3 race) frequently, just for fun. So you gotta know I'm getting in at least 9 races (2 hrs a day for 3 days) or more if I can squeeze some in.


If PD doesnt give you something you like, practice a lot more that week if you do decide to race but I would suggest farming or completing missions/CEs.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

And NOT react when the red mist drops, which is the most important take away because in that second, you don't have all the facts.

Very sound advice. I have more than once looked at a replay where I was certain I was wronged only to find out it was purely a racing incident.

Although solely based on anecdotal evidence, is there maybe some noticeable difference in the average behaviour of people on the american servers, compared to the european ones?

I have had the same thought. Mostly I think it's because there's so many more players in Europe that the matchmaking works better....

On the other hand I ran the Manu yesterday in Europe and it was filthy dirty from the outlap onwards.
Then I ran it in US (low B so not stealing any points that matter) and it was clean as a whistle.

 

[Bullwinkle]

GT is a driving game, not a racing game. It's not GT's fault, it's the other drivers. If the AI was any good at all on line participation would drop like a rock. If you want a good racing game play Mario Kart. Enjoy it for what it is.

This seems a bit backwards. I guess I missed the “drive across town to run some errands” mode, so I stick with the races they provide. The AI does indeed suck, which is why I like to race against real live thinking humans. And the removal of their original penalty system is absolutely PD’s fault. It was done intentionally. And not providing any decent replacement is a choice they’ve made, so I’ll hold them responsible for the racing chaos and expect better.

I feel for you, I really do. I get getting pissed when you are rammed, because it ruins the fun.

However, I think you are just playing a bit too much, which will burn you out. 10 Times race C is about 250 minutes without actual waiting. That is more than 4 hours. Instead of completely quitting you could try to do just a few. Next I want to encourage you to forget about DR. Who cares what it says on top? If you don't enjoy the race then quit. Next race you'll start on lower DR, and higher up the grid, which will put you back on the original DR. Good luck

Thanks for the reminder. I needed to step away and take a deep breath. I think I may just start quitting the races when I get to that hopeless place. I’m not as worried about my DR as I am about the SR, but clearly “good” SR is meaningless anyway! I can’t even get a clean race bonus from the back of the pack this week!

Comparing your latest experiences, and those of others, with my personal daily race adventures, which haven't been THAT bad lately: Although solely based on anecdotal evidence, is there maybe some noticeable difference in the average behaviour of people on the american servers, compared to the european ones? Some guys here race on both, has someone an idea about it? Or is it just the random ebb and flow of things?

This is an interesting point. I may be racing with a bunch of NASCAR fans, so Daytona brings out the Ricky Bobby in them all! The Americas, not just the US, seem to have a tradition of physical driving. Maybe I need an alternate European account so I can race with some of you nice folks.

 

[sixty4half]

. I’m not as worried about my DR as I am about the SR, but clearly “good” SR is meaningless anyway! I can’t even get a clean race bonus from the back of the pack this week!

Stop racing from the back.

Watch a track guide. Run some practice laps. Watch the #1 time replay. Do more practice laps. Race from the front.

 

[Nebuc72]

I added an explanation here.

That's pretty nifty! Much more sophisticated than I expected, I figured it'd be a manual thing. Impressive.

 

[rcharris101]

i was under the impression that the driver rating couldn't be higher than the sportsman ship rating, is that not true? I keep ending up in races with C rated SR people who just plow people..

 

[Famine]

The Americas, not just the US, seem to have a tradition of physical driving.

This is about as close to the line as we'll allow.

If I have to remove any more posts that take this one and run on to [people from X country drive like Y] (where "Y" is a negative) I'll just be handing out month-long thread bans. I shouldn't have to post this reminder again, but apparently I do.

i was under the impression that the driver rating couldn't be higher than the sportsman ship rating, is that not true?

No...

I keep ending up in races with C rated SR people who just plow people..

... but only one of those people are SR C, and only one has an SR lower than their DR.


Your DR cannot advance past your SR on the way up, but your SR can fall below your DR (by two entire letters) on the way down.

 

[Fezzik]

Wasn’t a fan of the race B circuit at the beginning of the week but it’s grown on me. Have had some fun in the FT1 and RSR, though still getting shoved off at turn 1 about half the time.

Tried the Mustang and got my quali lap down to a 44.4, which should hopefully get me out of the carnage (or just put more rammers directly behind me).

 

[Leon Kowalski]

This is an interesting point. I may be racing with a bunch of NASCAR fans, so Daytona brings out the Ricky Bobby in them all! The Americas, not just the US, seem to have a tradition of physical driving. Maybe I need an alternate European account so I can race with some of you nice folks.

Well, on the european servers you'll find quite a significant number of a-holes, too. Not everyone is GTP-style nice.😆 And on the other hand, there's a lot of good people from America, yourself included, who I'd love to meet on track. Sadly the DWRF is a bit contrary to my personal schedule. I'd love to participate there, but in my advanced age I need my night's sleep.🤣

My thoughts were more about the average regional style, from a more statistical viewpoint, than about individual drivers.

 

[Bullwinkle]

This is about as close to the line as we'll allow.

If I have to remove any more posts that take this one and run on to [people from X country drive like Y] (where "Y" is a negative) I'll just be handing out month-long thread bans. I shouldn't have to post this reminder again, but apparently I do. Ex

My sincerest apologies. Maybe NASCAR only applies to the United States and I’m fallaciously generalizing? I don’t want this to snowball into nation-bashing, so I appreciate your preemptive reminder.

Well, on the european servers you'll find quite a significant number of a-holes, too. Not everyone is GTP-style nice.😆 And on the other hand, there's a lot of good people from America, yourself included, who I'd love to meet on track. Sadly the DWRF is a bit contrary to my personal schedule. I'd love to participate there, but in my advanced age I need my night's sleep.🤣

My thoughts were more about the average regional style, from a more statistical viewpoint, than about individual drivers.

That’s a very good point. I wish you had made it before I opened my stupid mouth! I think I made a bad assumption and ran with it, and unintentionally pushed the line of the forum policy. I have to keep remembering that I’m racing with individuals.

Stop racing from the back.

Watch a track guide. Run some practice laps. Watch the #1 time replay. Do more practice laps. Race from the front.

If only it were that easy. I can’t race from the front because that’s where the A+ aliens live and they’re too fast for me. It feels like you’re basically telling me to “git gud,” which I’m trying to do but I have reached my limit for now. You may have missed the point I made earlier about racing from the back because I’m getting crashed out of the race and feeling like I have to run all 10 joyless laps so I don’t lose SR? Regardless, I appreciate your advice and do all of those things. I’m in one of those awkward phases where I’m racing from the front in B lobbies but then getting bounced up to the A lobbies every time I win. It’s actually a nice “problem” to have, but the growing pains are getting to me!

 

[Leon Kowalski]

That’s a very good point. I wish you had made it before I opened my stupid mouth! I think I made a bad assumption and ran with it, and unintentionally pushed the line of the forum policy. I have to keep remembering that I’m racing with individuals.

I didn't see any harm done by your comment, because I interpreted it as a characterization of real-life racing, Nascar-style especially, as opposed to european-style racing categories with less contact involved.

But I know from own experience that it's a quite difficult task to police an online forum, and lines have to be drawn rather strictly to prevent it from getting out of hand as early as possible, but without stifling the conversation. Even under the well-based assumption that the people who are posting here don't have the tendency to get abusive about minor issues.

Little side note: I always hope that I get my points across without stepping over any drawn lines, but that might be sometimes difficult due to a lack of familiarity with certain nuances of the english (to me: foreign) language.🍻

 

[deanbagus]

Wasn’t a fan of the race B circuit at the beginning of the week but it’s grown on me. Have had some fun in the FT1 and RSR, though still getting shoved off at turn 1 about half the time.

Tried the Mustang and got my quali lap down to a 44.4, which should hopefully get me out of the carnage (or just put more rammers directly behind me).

The RSR is fun on this track but T1 hairpin is chaotic especially in B lobbies.

 

[jrbabbitt]

I agree with most of what you posted, can I share a few thoughts on things quoted below, trying NOT to take things out of context...

Whoever said that it's fun to race from the back, I have to vehemently disagree here for this reason: I'm angry because I got taken out of the race and there is absolutely no amount of skill that will catch me up when everyone else has slipstream.

I am have three accounts and currently the main one is mid to high C/S, the others are bottom low B/S. I personally think I am at the top of my skills in this range for reasons that i can explain but not needed at this time. I was in DR C when i carried it over from GT Sport and worked on it and improved my skills and overall mental attitude (key point) in GT7.

I'm so pissed off because the more I'm trying to play clean (like that godawful video begs us to do) the more I'm getting the brunt of everyone else's bad sportsmanship.

That awful video that we are spoon fed and implores us to be "CLEAN RACERS" at the cost of a race and DR points and rating is NOT the gospel but more of a guide of sorts, there are racing incidents and then there is bad sportsmanship, for example in the current C race all get bunched at T1 and there is bumping and such, this is racing incidents. But when one driver just plows intentionally thru to get his way is an example of bad sportsmanship.

I just have to admit that, other than the A+ drivers way off in the distance in front of me, I'm stuck racing with children.

The key point I mentioned above "mental attitude" is the thought here, as racing with the children, I am guilty of getting overly angered when I am bumped and or nudged out of position, (the red mist) in a race and after the fact when I watch the replay and from other views I see it was just racing incident. Others, the "children" get clouded over with this and take it all as a personal attack and retaliate in kind or worse. Knowing the difference and not letting the anger overtake your actions will help.
All in all I've done better in the two years of the online racing I've done but not as good as the truly gifted good players.
As a suggestion I reccomend watching Tidgney's Weekly Race Guides, he gives great pointers about braking points on track, where and how much acceleration in some corners , and other useful (very useful) information. (He has some great driving lesson videos that helped me lots)

I hope this helps you and others that read your posts

 

[D_Dragline]

Daytona is fun this week. As long as you can avoid the turn 1 shenanigans, it spreads out nicely and there’s good racing to be had.

I’ve also dropped my qualy to a 1:54.171 so that helps.

 

[Bullwinkle]

I didn't see any harm done by your comment, because I interpreted it as a characterization of real-life racing, Nascar-style especially, as opposed to european-style racing categories with less contact involved.

But I know from own experience that it's a quite difficult task to police an online forum, and lines have to be drawn rather strictly to prevent it from getting out of hand as early as possible, but without stifling the conversation. Even under the well-based assumption that the people who are posting here don't have the tendency to get abusive about minor issues.

Little side note: I always hope that I get my points across without stepping over any drawn lines, but that might be sometimes difficult due to a lack of familiarity with certain nuances of the english (to me: foreign) language.🍻

Thanks for that. I always appreciate your perspective.

I agree with most of what you posted, can I share a few thoughts on things quoted below, trying NOT to take things out of context...


I am have three accounts and currently the main one is mid to high C/S, the others are bottom low B/S. I personally think I am at the top of my skills in this range for reasons that i can explain but not needed at this time. I was in DR C when i carried it over from GT Sport and worked on it and improved my skills and overall mental attitude (key point) in GT7.

That awful video that we are spoon fed and implores us to be "CLEAN RACERS" at the cost of a race and DR points and rating is NOT the gospel but more of a guide of sorts, there are racing incidents and then there is bad sportsmanship, for example in the current C race all get bunched at T1 and there is bumping and such, this is racing incidents. But when one driver just plows intentionally thru to get his way is an example of bad sportsmanship.

The key point I mentioned above "mental attitude" is the thought here, as racing with the children, I am guilty of getting overly angered when I am bumped and or nudged out of position, (the red mist) in a race and after the fact when I watch the replay and from other views I see it was just racing incident. Others, the "children" get clouded over with this and take it all as a personal attack and retaliate in kind or worse. Knowing the difference and not letting the anger overtake your actions will help.
All in all I've done better in the two years of the online racing I've done but not as good as the truly gifted good players.
As a suggestion I reccomend watching Tidgney's Weekly Race Guides, he gives great pointers about braking points on track, where and how much acceleration in some corners , and other useful (very useful) information. (He has some great driving lesson videos that helped me lots)

I hope this helps you and others that read your posts

Thanks for the comments. I need to remember to step away and take a breath once in a while! And the @Tidgney weekly videos ad driving school videos are always great! I think those ought to be the required videos that people are required to watch!

Daytona is fun this week. As long as you can avoid the turn 1 shenanigans, it spreads out nicely and there’s good racing to be had.

I’ve also dropped my qualy to a 1:44.171 so that helps.

No wonder you’re having fun! Dang!!!! 🤪

 

[GaugeForever]

Watched super gt’s latest video and his American account is in lobbies where half the grid or more is B drivers. That’s how few people are in our region. Is it right out to suggest they should just open the lobby system to allow us to race with Europeans? At least then y’all can know the joy of racing with Brazilians hahah

Jokes aside, do they even have a plan for participation this low?

 

[Nebuc72]

Watched super gt’s latest video and his American account is in lobbies where half the grid or more is B drivers. That’s how few people are in our region. Is it right out to suggest they should just open the lobby system to allow us to race with Europeans? At least then y’all can know the joy of racing with Brazilians hahah

Jokes aside, do they even have a plan for participation this low?

Eh, it's worth noting Steve did those races at about 3-4pm UK time on Christmas Eve, which is early morning US.

Not exactly prime time for race participation.