GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Goanaut]

Bwoah I'm like a riding chicane at Suzuka. For some reason I never really liked racing on this track, so I almost never did. My trail braking is afwul, so T1 is directly a disaster for me. I don't know if it's the nature of this track (narrowness or technicality), or that I race on ps5 controller, but I can't make use of the full width of the track. Especially apparent in the degna's. I don't have the car control to enter the 2 corners from as far to the left as possible, the car is squirming too much, causing me to dip my rear left tyre onto the grass, spinning out under braking. To prevent this during a race, I have to leave an excessive amount of safety margin on my left side. You could maybe fit another car in there. Spoon corner is also a weak spot. Only the hairpin and the chicane are okay-ish.

But okay, you have to learn it sometimes right if you want to be a more complete driver. I did 3 races yesterday, and in 2 of them I was more than a minute behind P1, finishing dead last Also because in B lobbies people have less patience. I saw Digit on his stream taking half a race to finally overtake someone on this narrow circuit, but in my lobbies they just push you aside in the esses if they have a quicker run. In on of these races I was 3.5 seconds from the fastest lap (which was an A+ driver), the other lobby was more on my own level, but I was still 1.5 seconds from the fastest lap. In one race the crashes seemed to happen around while I went through relatively unscathed. That race I started 13th and finished P4.

Bonus story: Multiple mentions of flying insects yesterday. During pre race chat, while the cars where revving, seconds before the race count down, someone mentioned all the Porsches sound like wasps. Thought that was funny. A race later there was absolute chaos in the degna's, first I could avoid a couple of spinning cars, but 2 seconds later someone came flying backwards from the side of the track and pummeled me out: He said he was sorry and had a bee in his helmet.

 

[brockie]

Man it’s taking forever to get out of SR B, I have 2 nice clean races then bam, someone decides 3 wide through the tunnel works, so I let them go and get rammed from behind then again into the left handed after the bridge,

Cue rage quit. 🤬

 

[dcalde78]

Disappointed I missed out on Spa last week, that combo is one of my favourites but this week, Race C has some potential. I had a lot of races ruined by other people last night unfortunately but it hasn't been too bad so far today other than the fact that GR3 might as well be renamed Porsche Supercup.

That said, the sheer instability of the game in general has totally put me off. I'm really surprised that there hasn't been some kind of hotfix considering how often the game now bugs out. Missing car liveries in the pre-race screen means that if I save the replay, I can't watch it because it'll crash the game. Crashes loading into races after the countdown. Crashes at the end of the race before the reward and end race screen. Crashes in the reward screen. Honestly at this point after playing for about 4-5 hours yesterday and 3-4 today, it's probably been at least half of the races that have had issues, if not closer to 2/3 and it's really put me off playing any more because there doesn't seem to be any rush to fix it.

 

[brockie]

Disappointed I missed out on Spa last week, that combo is one of my favourites but this week, Race C has some potential. I had a lot of races ruined by other people last night unfortunately but it hasn't been too bad so far today other than the fact that GR3 might as well be renamed Porsche Supercup.

That said, the sheer instability of the game in general has totally put me off. I'm really surprised that there hasn't been some kind of hotfix considering how often the game now bugs out. Missing car liveries in the pre-race screen means that if I save the replay, I can't watch it because it'll crash the game. Crashes loading into races after the countdown. Crashes at the end of the race before the reward and end race screen. Crashes in the reward screen. Honestly at this point after playing for about 4-5 hours yesterday and 3-4 today, it's probably been at least half of the races that have had issues, if not closer to 2/3 and it's really put me off playing any more because there doesn't seem to be any rush to fix it.

That’s a shame to hear, I very rarely have any stability issues I have to say, when I do it pees me right off because it’s so trustworthy normally.

And yes you missed and absolute gem of a week in gr3, was all Audi R8 but I don’t mind a cup week if the same car because it feels like its driver dependant 😁

 

[Famine]

That said, the sheer instability of the game in general has totally put me off. I'm really surprised that there hasn't been some kind of hotfix considering how often the game now bugs out. Missing car liveries in the pre-race screen means that if I save the replay, I can't watch it because it'll crash the game. Crashes loading into races after the countdown. Crashes at the end of the race before the reward and end race screen. Crashes in the reward screen. Honestly at this point after playing for about 4-5 hours yesterday and 3-4 today, it's probably been at least half of the races that have had issues, if not closer to 2/3 and it's really put me off playing any more because there doesn't seem to be any rush to fix it.

As with last time I offered this advice, have you tried the steps in the pinned Connection Issues thread? It was unclear from your response whether you had or not.

My experience couldn't be more different, and while sometimes it ends up just being the ISP not playing ball with P2P (T-Mobile is notorious for it) I happen to have the same ISP as you - and for at least as long. If you haven't, it's basically five minutes of typing some numbers in, or less if you have a keyboard attached to your console as four of that is entering numbers with a PS4/5 controller.

Either nothing will happen or something will, and it's five minutes to find out which.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Brutal night at Suzuka, 1st race i made like 10 mistakes, car felt so loose. 2nd race i was run off the road 4 times from as high as P3, driving standards are appalling, guys trying to make passes in the most ridiculous places. Garbage, I shut it down and credit farmed the weekly races.

 

[bone_tone]

Brutal night at Suzuka, 1st race i made like 10 mistakes, car felt so loose. 2nd race i was run off the road 4 times from as high as P3, driving standards are appalling, guys trying to make passes in the most ridiculous places. Garbage, I shut it down and credit farmed the weekly races.

I found the same, which is unusual for Suzuka. I think the fact that it is effectively a one-make race, quali times are close, and overtaking is not easy means that people are driving with a lack of respect.

Switched to race A instead, got taken out in 2 out of 2 races there, but I did at least manage to make my way back up into the top 6 - the divebombers, and push to pass drivers, proved to be unable to take full advantage of the opportunities they tried to create!

 

[brockie]

Well my lunch time race was better, started and finished p3 and was very close mostly but I wasn’t taking any chances, up to 20.5k DR but the SR remains the toughest to move, I’m most starting in the top 4 or 5 and unless you pass immaculately these guys are lining you up next corner, so it’s interesting seeing this play out in and around me, SR B/C is like a pub at 11pm 🤣

 

[benjoi84]

[...] The divebombers, and push to pass drivers, proved to be unable to take full advantage of the opportunities they tried to create!

This is my experience in Race A, too.

This car on these tyres actually does a good job of rewarding clean and smooth driving. Mostly when guys go "off-piste" in their approach, it ends in tears.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I found the same, which is unusual for Suzuka. I think the fact that it is effectively a one-make race, quali times are close, and overtaking is not easy means that people are driving with a lack of respect.

Passing is really not that hard, in high B/low A rooms there's no shortage of errors from even race leading drivers. If you hug the apexes really tight, guys will run wide and you find your way past, it's just stupidity to try and force a pass in the middle of the esses for example, of through a degner unless you have serious overlap.

 

[km666]

I've been finding with race A this weeks it pays to hang to the right for the first corner and the hairpin. Let them take each other out. I refuse to qualify because it always seems to tank my DR and have been finishing in the top 5 most races so far.

Also does anybody know what the 'doomed to fail' matchmaking is about? A and B drivers being matched against C and D drivers, S safety rating being matched with C etc

 

[NevilleNobody]

Qualifying does not affect DR, all that matters is finishing position.

 

[benjoi84]

Also does anybody know what the 'doomed to fail' matchmaking is about? A and B drivers being matched against C and D drivers, S safety rating being matched with C etc

As far as I know, it all boils down to low participation numbers (which is in turn, very dependent on time & day), along with the insistence that no lobby may go unfilled.

 

[dcalde78]

As with last time I offered this advice, have you tried the steps in the pinned Connection Issues thread? It was unclear from your response whether you had or not.

My experience couldn't be more different, and while sometimes it ends up just being the ISP not playing ball with P2P (T-Mobile is notorious for it) I happen to have the same ISP as you - and for at least as long. If you haven't, it's basically five minutes of typing some numbers in, or less if you have a keyboard attached to your console as four of that is entering numbers with a PS4/5 controller.

Either nothing will happen or something will, and it's five minutes to find out which.

Gran Turismo is the only game I have issues playing online between PS5 and PC. Everything else runs absolutely flawlessly with low latency. I downloaded Far Cry 6 earlier, rock solid speeds, no drop outs. Streaming content on my TV, same thing. The only program, application, game or anything else that has issues is GT7. I know I'm not the only one either, and this only started happening after the latest update. Deep diving into my wifi settings isn't something I should have to do to make a game work reliably.

 

[brockie]

As far as I know, it all boils down to low participation numbers (which is in turn, very dependent on time & day), along with the insistence that no lobby may go unfilled.

I nearly had a lobby failure today, I waited nearly a minute to be put into a lobby and then there were only 12 racers, which is very unlike race B, especially in the holidays

Could have finished my lap too! 😁

 

[Famine]

Gran Turismo is the only game I have issues playing online between PS5 and PC. Everything else runs absolutely flawlessly with low latency. I downloaded Far Cry 6 earlier, rock solid speeds, no drop outs. Streaming content on my TV, same thing. The only program, application, game or anything else that has issues is GT7. I know I'm not the only one either, and this only started happening after the latest update. Deep diving into my wifi settings isn't something I should have to do to make a game work reliably.

Which isn't so far away from what the introduction to that pinned thread actually says:

Gran Turismo 7, it seems, follows in the fine traditions of GT Sport, GT6, GT5, and even GT5P in being a bit sensitive to network environments. A connection that's fine one day (or hour) might be ropey the next, and while there's a lot of things that might be out of your control, the best way to improve your experience is to make sure the bits that you can control are as good as they can be.

Sure, you shouldn't have to take any steps to optimise your local network environment, but if you do you might find your experience far less frustrating than your earlier message seems to express. I'd also suggest that if they've sent out the Two router, sack it off and dig the One out instead.

I guess it's your call, really. I'd spend the tiny amount of time doing it (and it'll benefit everything else connected to your router), as I find frustration to be quite irritating and prefer to not be frustrated.

 

[Stringerbell]

Just had a very weird experience.

Stated under a blue flag and round in the esses before the game let me take control and we were all 3 seconds apart 🤷‍♂️

Completed the whole race and got a blue up tick on my DR but not sure if it will count or if I just wasted 20 mins of my time 😂😂🤷‍♂️

 

[km666]

Qualifying does not affect DR, all that matters is finishing position.

DR definitely drops if you simply maintain position. Qualify in 5th, finish in 5th, get punished.

I forgot why I dont qualify so ran a hotlap for the NSX race at Grand Valley South and got punished every single race, even improving position by only a couple of places seemed to kill my DR.

I also seem to always end being the designated loser if I set a time by means of matchmaking. Usually I see the same names in the lobby in a mix of A and B DR, I set a time matching the top 5 in the lobby I was in and suddenly I'm grouped with all As running seconds faster.

 

[newmedia_dev]

DR definitely drops if you simply maintain position. Qualify in 5th, finish in 5th, get punished.

That’s not true. I know you might be tongue in cheek, but there is nuance to it that your statement is dismissing.

forgot why I dont qualify so ran a hotlap for the NSX race at Grand Valley South and got punished every single race, even improving position by only a couple of places seemed to kill my DR.

The leaderboard is all Atenza and a smattering of G70s, even the tour team drivers aren’t using their factory teams…so expecting a car not suited to this combo to be competitive is hopeful.

The 2 meta cars have very specific advantages here like Sardegna seaside.

I also seem to always end being the designated loser if I set a time by means of matchmaking. Usually I see the same names in the lobby in a mix of A and B DR, I set a time matching the top 5 in the lobby I was in and suddenly I'm grouped with all As running seconds faster.

That’s the system working, what do you think the guys at the back of the lobbies you start at the sharp end think….

That’s how you progress racing amongst quicker drivers, unless racing slower players improves skills 🤷‍♂️

 

[km666]

That’s not true. I know you might be tongue in cheek, but there is nuance to it that your statement is dismissing.

The leaderboard is all Atenza and a smattering of G70s, even the tour team drivers aren’t using their factory teams…so expecting a car not suited to this combo to be competitive is hopeful.

The 2 meta cars have very specific advantages here like Sardegna seaside.

That’s the system working, what do you think the guys at the back of the lobbies you start at the sharp end think….

That’s how you progress racing amongst quicker drivers, unless racing slower players improves skills 🤷‍♂️

Thats my experience of it. What's the unspoken nuance to it then?

I rarely do anything but Race A or Gr4, I hate Gr3 and besides circuit experiences never use them. I was referring to the one make NSX 91 event.

How's that working, when without qualifying I'm generally placed in the same mixed group of A and B DR, but as soon as I match the quali times I'm shoved into a group beyond? GT7 isn't analysing my 'potential for greatness' like some kindly old tutor and pushing me to do better, it's taking me from my peers to be the sick man in a group above.

 

[Famine]

DR

You gain DR from everyone you beat, and lose it to everyone who beats you.

How much you gain/lose is proportional to the difference in your DR scores at the start of the race: you gain less DR from people with lower DR than you (and gain more from those with higher), you lose less DR to people with higher DR than you (and lose more to those with lower).

Your starting position, and any other factor, is irrelevant to the process.

 

[NevilleNobody]

THis has been explained 1,000 times man, starting position means nothing other than it is harder to finish higher from the back obviously.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Thats my experience of it. What's the unspoken nuance to it then?

That, if you are higher DR than the people in front (quite likely in A races as the field thins through the week) you will lose DR

I gained DR finishing 10th in daily B with 4 A+ drivers and the rest all the same as me A but they all have more DR than me so I beat my expected placing relative the lobby strength.

I rarely do anything but Race A or Gr4, I hate Gr3 and besides circuit experiences never use them. I was referring to the one make NSX 91 event

You didnt make that clear in the previous post.

How's that working, when without qualifying I'm generally placed in the same mixed group of A and B DR, but as soon as I match the quali times I'm shoved into a group beyond? GT7 isn't analysing my 'potential for greatness' like some kindly old tutor and pushing me to do better, it's taking me from my peers to be the sick man in a group above.

It’s matching DR to SR to your time to sort you.

You are fast in the least competitive lobbies and the quicker ones are a challenge? I mean what do you expect?

I’m 100th in the world for A last time I checked and I started 11th when we factor in region gating….it still means I’m the 11th quickest guy in that room.

The next race I was 1st by 2s and finished 8s ahead.

If anything the issue is more match making swing to fill lobbies than where you start in stronger or weaker lobbies

 

[km666]

Aha so more PD bs then, we'll create groupings from A+ to E or whatever but those groupings are meaningless because you might be a better B than that B, but we won't tell you how you compare besides our alphabet system which is subdivided secretly until the end where we punish you for not beating the guy you didn't know you had to beat. Oh and that guy who ranked a letter higher you did beat? Well they were borderline so f you beating them doesn't count.

I guess the GT2 theme song was them trolling in advance.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Just race man, it's not that complicated, just race and enjoy the race.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Aha so more PD bs then, we'll create groupings from A+ to E or whatever but those groupings are meaningless because you might be a better B

No, there are so few players that do daily A the lobby spreads open up. That a game play choice so that you aren’t racing 3 people and the grids are full. Your mistake is believing you should win every race, that is a you thing not a PD thing.

Also you aren’t really getting how DR or QT works, when you figure that out you’ll have much more fun and gravitate to finding pace not blame.

system which is subdivided secretly until the end where we punish you for not beating the guy you didn't know you had to beat. Oh and that guy who ranked a letter higher you did beat?

It’s not secret, it’s math….a lower dr player can drive faster than you in race and QT again I have been a B rated driver with a top 30 time and beat A+ guys for the week, that’s a combination of a good time and race consistency.

You need to really stop raging about the things you can’t control and start focusing on the stuff you can. If you are in quicker lobbies and towards the back….work on your QT time and move up that grid, the game won’t do that for you, you have to do that for yourself or you can just moan, but moan about the right things.

 

[Famine]

our alphabet system which is subdivided secretly

So secret we published an article with the numbers back in 2018.

Unravelling the Mysteries of GT Sport's Driver Rating System (and How To Improve Yours)

Whether you're new to GT Sport or you've been playing it a while, you'll likely be aware of the Driver Rating (DR) system. It's a scoring system the game uses to rank drivers according to ability. DR is a significant part of GT Sport's esports focus; you'll see your own DR score in the top-right

www.gtplanet.net

The A+ limit has been raised twice since, but the boundaries hold.

In general you'll find that if you finish in the top half of any given lobby you'll gain DR, with some blurring at +/- one position from the middle (so 7-10 in a 16-car lobby). There are exceptions, but it requires mixed DR matchmaking; if you're the only DR B in a DR C lobby and finish fifth behind you might lose points.

 

[km666]

No, there are so few players that do daily A the lobby spreads open up. That a game play choice so that you aren’t racing 3 people and the grids are full. Your mistake is believing you should win every race, that is a you thing not a PD thing.

Also you aren’t really getting how DR or QT works, when you figure that out you’ll have much more fun and gravitate to finding pace not blame.

It’s not secret, it’s math….a lower dr player can drive faster than you in race and QT again I have been a B rated driver with a top 30 time and beat A+ guys for the week, that’s a combination of a good time and race consistency.

You need to really stop raging about the things you can’t control and start focusing on the stuff you can. If you are in quicker lobbies and towards the back….work on your QT time and move up that grid, the game won’t do that for you, you have to do that for yourself or you can just moan, but moan about the right things.

What makes you say I believe I should win every race?

On the current race A example with brands hatch, the pole position in my lobby is usually A/S with a 1:44x quali time, I can't match that.

The majority of the lobby is 1:45 to 1:47, I could probably finesse a 1:46.5 if i could really be bothered.

However my entire point is that from past experience IF I put down a 1:46.5 I'd then be matched against a lobby full of 1:43 to 1:44, to start and finish in stone cold last.

Without qualifying I avoid the first corner madness and usually finish within the top 5.

Why are you saying math? You're not American. It's maths and it's MET office style maths.

 

[newmedia_dev]

What makes you say I believe I should win every race?

That your position on where you start paints a view of you don’t like finishing towards the back or starting their.

Hence your whole initial diatribe.

On the current race A example with brands hatch, the pole position in my lobby is usually A/S with a 1:44x quali time, I can't match that.

So don’t? Race the race and finish the best you can, that’s the point of racing. You won’t always be the top dog competitive, see my previous point (which this reinforces btw)

The majority of the lobby is 1:45 to 1:47, I could probably finesse a 1:46.5 if i could really be bothered.

If you can’t be bothered then why should the game be bothered to make you feel better?

Come on, do the laps or don’t but don’t bitch about it when you can’t be bothered to put effort in.

However my entire point is that from past experience IF I put down a 1:46.5 I'd then be matched against a lobby full of 1:43 to 1:44, to start and finish in stone cold last.

And how do you think rookies think when they rock up and “wow it’s a bit quicker here”

It’s not emotionally fun but grow a pair a understand what racing is mate, it’s showing up and trying to be fair and improve.

The bigger take is you self limiting your ability cap, again that’s a you thing not a game thing.

Why are you saying math? You're not American. It's maths and it's MET office style maths.

Weak….im half American and lived in Hawaii for 5 years so I interchange them frequently language wise.

Without qualifying I avoid the first corner madness and usually finish within the top 5.

Refer to point 1 I replied to, you value position over race quality or effort. The game rewards effort and gives you places where race quality can exist but you value performance over effort.

Can’t be bothered to improve, expect better racing and pissed off because your lack of trying to improve puts you at the back of faster lobbies…..I mean you got a seat at the table….take it by matching them not moaning about how hard it is, it isn’t it just takes a bit of self reflection on how you are driving and where the time really is (it’s not braking later)

 

[Famine]

It's maths and it's MET office style maths.

It's just an ELO-like system. Barring DR resets and the boost/nerf you get from crossing boundaries (which just an individual modifier), the total amount of DR exchanged between all drivers in a lobby is 0. Every point gained by someone is a point lost by someone else.

If you want the actual figures it's:

DR Gain: 80-([Your DR - Their DR]/500)
DR Lose: 80+([Their DR - Your DR]/500)

As a rough example, if your DR is mid-B and 20,000 and you beat a mid-C driver at 7,500, you'll gain:

80 - ([20,000-7,500])/500
= 80 - (12,500/500)
= 80 - 25
= 55

They'll also lose that amount:

80 + ([7,500-20,000]/500)
= 80 + (-12,500/500)
= 80 + -25
= 55

Likewise, if you lose to a driver with, improbably, the same DR, you'll lose 105 points...

80 - ([7,500-20,000])/500
= 80 - (-12,500/500)
= 80 - -25
= 105

...and they'll gain that.

If you finish fifth in a lobby full of them, you'll lose 420pt to the four ahead of you, while gaining 385pt from the seven behind you, resulting in a net loss of 35pt.

That's just rough though, and a fairly unlikely lobby.

math ... maths

Unsound assumptions on someone's origins based on their location aside, I actually prefer the American version. "Math" is an abbreviation of "mathematics", while "maths" is a contraction by concatenation - yoinking out a bunch of letters from the middle and glueing it together - that might even be appropriate to shorten to "math's" to denote the missing letters and infuriate grammaticists everywhere. Even us Brits abbreviate the economics branch of it to just "econ", not "econs".

In any case, it's a singular mass noun that looks like a plural but not actually a plural; one can only say of the subject that "I didn't like it", rather than "I didn't like them".


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