They have, but I'm pretty sure they didn't want for them to pay out at a fraction of the PD created events.
This isn’t even a good argument in the first place, but the fact that custom races pay like crap compared to GTS makes it even more laughable.
And what about GT7? What's your thought on custom races?
I don't think anyone has a problem with custom races, at least no one I've spoken to. The only complaint about them I've heard is they pay a pittance, so if one wants to progress in the car collection side of the game they're pointless, just like every other race/mode not named "Fisherman's Ranch".
Over emphasizing the degree to which you believe I'm strawmaning. I've explained already why part of the premise of the thread relating to how many races there are is not reasonable.
Okay okay, we're doing that verbatim quote thing... I Ctrl+F'd and it appears I was the only one that said it. You win.
Then they need to manage their expectations. When did PD have a good "career" mode? It's only ever been vague levels of progression - 4 or 5 depending how you look at it. Personally, I'm okay with that BTW, games like TOCA did a great job of that, but I didn't enjoy the role-playing element.
Objective is to win, sense of achievement is in winning. It doesn't matter if PD created the event or if you did, you do the same thing to achieve the same thing (maybe less credits - but I'm not defending or berating the economy here - Sport was just about tolerable, 7 seems to have Scrooged it up another level or 2.)
Of course it can be compared, it takes a few more button presses and then you're doing what you would do whether PD made it or you did.
You are correct... but not for reasons you think. I'm a big believer in not pre-ordering games until they've been fully reviewed, and also in not buying games the encourage developers to partake in **** practices... GT7 was a preorder for me even if I didn't a console to play it on though - I've had 25 good years with the GT franchise and I wanted that 25AE steel book for my shelf, so PD had my money whatever they did.
I think I'll bookmark this comment. In 2 years time we can see if you were right. "Costly DLC" equating to 35% of the launch game. It'll be a shame if it's true, but I'm expecting the vast majority of the DLC to be free, personally.
Good for you! But it wasn't in a Gr. 2 event since, you know, PD NEVER INCLUDED THEM!
If I want to create my own events I race in an actual sim, not a simcade with a supposed career mode. Which further proves my point that this is not Gran Turismo.
Yeah. Frankly, PD choices makes it seem to me like all their questionable choices were made with big bucks from micro transactions in mind. I could be totally wrong with this assumption..... but the ability to buy credits (for a considerable amount of real-life money considering the mechanics and car prices) DOES make it seem like they are well aware of the harsh ingame economy and that they are aiming hardcore on extra bucks from micro transactions.
for the last menu, I was actually expecting an endurance race doing the licences was indeed pointless. I don't know if its a rush to get the game out the door or if its just purposely cut back to make it look like we are getting content like most games did the 360/ps3 gen (mainly already on disk)
Then I fully encourage and endorse you never playing Gran Turismo 7 again, and hope you learned from the mistake of buying something before you knew what it offered.
So, racing against a full grid of Gr. 2 cars around a track isn't racing a full grid of Gr. 2 cars around a track, because I had to select Gr. 2 from a list, instead of selecting Gr. 2 events from a list... Seems pedantic to me... but whatevs.
It's the fact that the MTX pricing is so far out-of-kilter with the game that makes me forgive it (to a degree). I've dumped a lot of money and effort into GT over the years, and even if there was a real Unicorn car in the game that I wanted for 10,000,000 Cr... I'm simply not paying $100 for it, no way, and I'd bet most players wouldn't either. If it were more like $5, I reckon PD would absolutely be raking it in... it's ****ing abysmal value for money at the moment, I don't see how it's tempting for anyone.
Nope, what I consider grinding is monotonous tasks that require no creativity or thinking outside the box. In fact you are barely even allowed to go outside the box in GT7, due to the tight budget.
Whatever you mean? We paid the same way for GT7 as we paid for GT6 5, 4, 3, etc all the way to the beginning: up-front. I expected to get a complete game for my money, that does what it advertises. As in be a Gran Turismo with every feature that entails.
Oh, I'm sorry for expecting the game titled Gran Turismo 7 to be a sequel to Gran Turismo, instead of being Sport 2. Don't you think there is some misleading marketing in there?
Oh I absolutely agree, I simply think they overestimated the willingness of the players to pay big bucks for those overpriced cars. I think they did quite a few miscalculations in general with this game. Heck, PD does have a history on losing their grasp on reality from time to time.
When the menu is finished you have 80+ cars of various types, at least a few hundred thousand dollars, a world of tuning and parts available for them to drive or race on every track in the game, not to mention an improving sport mode, a ridiculous number of photography options along with Scapes, as well as licenses, missions, circuit experience and custom races with more events, cars and tracks to come and as a DIE HARD fan you can't find anything to do in this stunningly beautiful, detailed and fun to drive Gran Turismo, cos they don't pay a lot of credits? seriously?
I've not even bothered to do the 26 miles or whatever for the roulette ticket twice already. All because I don't want to shut down Elden Ring, a game I'm 100% invested in right now. The plan was to split what time I had for gaming between the two, but after 3-4 days I was down to checking used car dealerships and getting the roulette ticket, and I'm starting to not even do either of those, and GT7 hasn't even been out for two weeks, lol. It's just sad that they released the game with so little to do if you aren't a daily race grinder or the type of person that wants to "make their own fun" in a $70 game
Fair enough. Stick around for another decade or so and you'll see how often the term grinding quickly applies to pretty much everything you have to do in a game. Celebrated GTPedia Author Andrew Evans recently stated he thought a good economy was one where you had to do every task the game offered once, in order to make all content available.
Read the post I quoted.
Ask the online players if this is GTS2... they seem pretty ****** at the moment.
Only this bit...
... which can't currently be done.
I think it's awesome that you can find value in doing such things at this point, and I'm not being snide, I honestly mean it.
This is the biggest thing. It's less a game and more a canvas for whatever things or beliefs Kaz believes will 'revolutionize' the industry he still believes himself to be the leader of. When that stopped being the case in oh, 2007?
Fisherman's gives north of 1.8 million/hour.Custom races? Maybe, but on a per hour basis they are never good. Someone worked out the very best you can manage in custom races is about 250K per hour.
GT4s highest priced car was 4.5 million credits. There were multiple events which gave out a high-value car which you could sell afterwards. There are several late-game events that paid out at rate of something like 2 million an hour. Two hours to get any car you wanted. GT4 also had FAR more to do than GT7 before you had to resort to grinding.
Did it take 10 or 20 hours to get all cars? Was it possible without any grinding at all? No, but it didn't take several hundred hours either, and as mentioned, you had far more original stuff to do without resorting to grinding. The other games were the same. GT2 had a race that gave you 550,000 credits in 5 minutes. GT3 didn't have many cars at all.
This idea that this is how GT works and how it always worked REALLY needs to die.
I'm of the opinion that Microsoft should simply dump Forza Motorsport and relegate T10 to engine making. FM has never been as commercially successful as GT and was swallowed whole by FH. People call FH5 "Forza 5", which is something FM5 used to be called when FH wasn't that big. It's frustrating for me, since I don't like FH, but it is what it is.
