GT7 needs to be really good

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MLRSparco
The fact that everyone isn't upset with the fact that GT6 doesn't even have everything that GT5 has is mind blowing,seems as though the people defending this game are just blindly defending it,for every good thing about this game there's two bad things.
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And those who have a problem with others being okay with what the game has to offer, is even more mind blowing. That's one thing I massively dislike, is that others feel the need to down those who ACTUALLY enjoy the game. Yeah whatever man. 👎
 
Samus
I honestly find it hard to believe that deep down, without any bias, some people expected GT6 to have less features and conent than GT5. Why would they?
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Precedent. It's happened with other games where to make room for something, programming-wise, features were dropped.
 
86Debris86
Precedent. It's happened with other games where to make room for something, programming-wise, features were dropped.
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But in this case there weren't any 'replacement' features, there are just flat out less than GT5. Surely if someone was expecting features to be dropped they would have also expected something else in their place?
 
Samus
But in this case there weren't any 'replacement' features, there are just flat out less than GT5. Surely if someone was expecting features to be dropped they would have also expected something else in their place?
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You're right and on the surface at least GT6 doesn't deliver with this. I suspect the completely new physics are taking up a lot of room or something and that in itself is the "replacement feature."

Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not the "GT6 is perfect in every way" type. I'm just saying I can see why some people are perfectly happy with what they've got. I can see how GT6's faults would never even effect some players, let alone bother them.
 
TokoTurismo
And those who have a problem with others being okay with what the game has to offer, is even more mind blowing. That's one thing I massively dislike, is that others feel the need to down those who ACTUALLY enjoy the game. Yeah whatever man. 👎
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I just find it hard to believe people can be happy playing a game that not only doesn't have all the features of the previous game but doesn't even have most of the promised features.I have no problem with people being happy with the game but also supporting the fact that the community wants more but most think GT6 is fine the way it is and just want us to shut up and be happy with the game.
 
MLRSparco
I just find it hard to believe people can be happy playing a game that not only doesn't have all the features of the previous game but doesn't even have most of the promised features.I have no problem with people being happy with the game but also supporting the fact that the community wants more but most think GT6 is fine the way it is and just want us to shut up and be happy with the game.
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I think it's more the repetitive nature of the complaints. The same things across multiple threads on a daily basis.

GT6 has better physics, more tracks, more cars. For me, this outweighs certain features and bugs.
 
jimipitbull
I think it's more the repetitive nature of the complaints. The same things across multiple threads on a daily basis.

GT6 has better physics, more tracks, more cars. For me, this outweighs certain features and bugs.
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Yep I guess it's different for everyone ... the moment they realize it isn't what they expected ... some find out in two weeks others find out in two months ... and all at a different pace ... that's why it seems here to be a constant stream of complaints ... and true! it can be bothersome ... because GT6 has alot of positive sides too ...

This weekend I got fed up with all the complaining and downloaded GTPsp and MotorToonGrandPrix from the PSN store to my Vita ... sure the physics are outdated ... but to me its a lot of fun doing all the challenges again... Also it's nice to have access to those circuits that have been left out of GT6 ... just for the fun of it ... (and yes I still use GT5 too ...)

So next weekend i'll pick GT6 up again ... to enjoy those physics fully again ... And to convince myself again how spoiled we really are ...

@MLRSparco don't forget some people just don't have reference to the old versions of GT ... and are really happy with GT6
 
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jimipitbull
I think it's more the repetitive nature of the complaints. The same things across multiple threads on a daily basis.

GT6 has better physics, more tracks, more cars. For me, this outweighs certain features and bugs.
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I see your point and totally respect it.
 
Squanto
Yep I guess it's different for everyone ... the moment they realize it isn't what they expected ... some find out in two weeks others find out in twp months ... and all at a different pace ... that's why it seems here to be a constant stream of complaints ... and true! it can be bothersome ... because GT6 has alot of positive sides too ...
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I won't mention names but there are a few ringleaders who have been doing it for months. Many positive posts get hit with a wave of negativity. Then if you respond positively to their negative posts, you are then called an apologist or fanboy.

Certain character flaws are much more game breaking than any bug, lack of updates or communication.

On the brighter side, I can fuel my positivity with their negativity. The tank is half full.
 
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jimipitbull
I won't mention names but there are a few ringleaders who have been doing it for months. Many positive posts get hit with a wave of negativity. Then if you respond positively to their negative posts, you are then called an apologist or fanboy.

Certain character flaws are much more game breaking than any bug, lack of updates or communication.

On the brighter side, I can fuel my positivity with their negativity. The tank is half full.
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Yep I know what you mean ... I sometimes check the numbers HERE to convince myself we are not all that negative .. and that at least 80% of the people here rate the game positive ...
 
86Debris86
I suspect the completely new physics are taking up a lot of room or something and that in itself is the "replacement feature."
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Do you mean physically in disc space or taking up a lot of time to make? I don't think any driving games' physics engine has ever taken up a lot of disc space. Wasn't the GT Academy at Indy Road Course about 220Mb? That obviously includes the track and 2 cars' textures and geometry, the graphics engine, menus and network code too. I think the Next Car Game 2.0 demo is about 350Mb and that has a much more advanced soft body physics engine, 24 cars and other things included. That's small when you have 50GB discs as storage.
 
Lewis_Hamilton_
Do you mean physically in disc space or taking up a lot of time to make? I don't think any driving games' physics engine has ever taken up a lot of disc space. Wasn't the GT Academy at Indy Road Course about 220Mb? That obviously includes the track and 2 cars' textures and geometry, the graphics engine, menus and network code too. I think the Next Car Game 2.0 demo is about 350Mb and that has a much more advanced soft body physics engine, 24 cars and other things included. That's small when you have 50GB discs as storage.
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I'm not sure. I'm simply looking for a reason as to why we have less in GT6 than in GT5.
 
86Debris86
I'm not sure. I'm simply looking for a reason as to why we have less in GT6 than in GT5.
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you might expect that the team which develops the physics is an entirely different team from the one which develops the car sounds for example .... so I don't think this explains it .... sorry

the number 1 reason can only be ... a release date pushed "back" to 12-6-2013 by Sony.
 
Squanto
you might expect that the team which develops the physics is an entirely different team from the one which develops the car sounds for example .... so I don't think this explains it .... sorry

the number 1 reason can only be ... a release date pushed "back" to 12-6-2013 by Sony.
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No need to be sorry. If I'm wrong I'd prefer someone say something. :cheers: As I say, I'm just speculating.

I think you may be right about Sony pushing for a release. It certainly is plausible and makes the most sense (to Sony at least).
 
No doubt there are specious complaints made about relatively trivial issues, trumped up, repeated, and heavily defended by their troll designers as if they're far more than they are. But it's also easy to lump every complaint as if it was one of those.

It's funny, If it wasn't for the fact that PD has been stone cold silent on the advertised features still missing after nearly four months, I wouldn't have any major gripe with PD at all. Since I got into this back when GT5 came out (my first automobile game in over 30 years of owning computers, and being used to higher end engineering workstations with beefed up graphics and sound, in fact the sole reason why I own ANY yesterday's-technology-powered game console), I rarely took issue with PD's vision and accepted bugs would be resolved in as timely a manner as PD could fix them. Patience was the rule.

But going on 4 months of zero information on three relatively major, advertised, undelivered portions of the game, and an observable shift in focus by PD/Sony from the unfinished, current product to the PS4 version is far more than disconcerting and is beginning to look more like deceptive advertising.

Deliver the missing content.
 
xiando
No doubt there are specious complaints made about relatively trivial issues, trumped up, repeated, and heavily defended by their troll designers as if they're far more than they are. But it's also easy to lump every complaint as if it was one of those.

It's funny, If it wasn't for the fact that PD has been stone cold silent on the advertised features still missing after nearly four months, I wouldn't have any major gripe with PD at all. Since I got into this back when GT5 came out (my first automobile game in over 30 years of owning computers, and being used to higher end engineering workstations with beefed up graphics and sound, in fact the sole reason why I own ANY yesterday's-technology-powered game console), I rarely took issue with PD's vision and accepted bugs would be resolved in as timely a manner as PD could fix them. Patience was the rule.

But going on 4 months of zero information on three relatively major, advertised, undelivered portions of the game, and an observable shift in focus by PD/Sony from the unfinished, current product to the PS4 version is far more than disconcerting and is beginning to look more like deceptive advertising.

Deliver the missing content.
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I'm inclined to agree with you on this.

I can live with most of the bugs, especially if there was a statement issued along the lines of "We're looking into it." I can't live with the silence we're receiving.

It's unlikely such a thing would happen though, the Japanese tend towards the why-apologise-when-it-can-just-be-fixed approach.

Problem is major bugs aren't being fixed so what are we to think? Other Japanese companies issue apologies and public statements so what's stopping PD?
 
jimipitbull
I won't mention names but there are a few ringleaders who have been doing it for months. Many positive posts get hit with a wave of negativity. Then if you respond positively to their negative posts, you are then called an apologist or fanboy.
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This is not true for the most part. When people say words to the effect of, "The game is flawed but I love the new physics cars and tracks", or, "I love [this] about the game and that's enough for me to enjoy it", generally those posts are respected. When someone says, "GT6 is the way it is because [insert random target of blame]", and are then asked to provide a shred of proof for their assertion, that's a different kettle of fish. Opinions are fine, making factual statements you can't back up doesn't go over well, nor should it.
 
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jimipitbull
I won't mention names but there are a few ringleaders who have been doing it for months. Many positive posts get hit with a wave of negativity. Then if you respond positively to their negative posts, you are then called an apologist or fanboy.

Certain character flaws are much more game breaking than any bug, lack of updates or communication.

On the brighter side, I can fuel my positivity with their negativity. The tank is half full.
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I can see how people enjoy the GT series still, the day/night cycles are beautiful, many tracks are beautiful and premium models are too. So if someone does not mind the obvious gameplay flaws and prefers the driving above the racing experience there is enjoyment to be had like in any game.

You're probably thinking of me as one of the ringleaders seeing i've been very critical of PD and the GT series since GT5 (one of the first yay!), and in many ways i think GT6 proves my points even better as now they had more time to try (a second chance), and they screwed it up even worse than before.
As long as arguments aren't ridiculous though, the people that are positive have as much right to speak their minds, the difference is when folk defend PD blindly whatever the flaw, and put the blame of PD's incompetence on outside factors which sounds silly and becomes as such food for the critics to react to.
 
I appreciate that there are areas of the game that could be improved like AI, engine sounds etc, although to be fair as you progress further into the game the difficulty does increase to the point that I have found it very challenging which is great. I just think taking GT6 as a whole package its an incredibly ambitious game and looks fabulous, what PD have managed to squeeze out of the old PS3 is quite staggering and deserves some credit. I have problems with it too for instance the single player career is lacking much like GT5, I think in terms of single player GT4 is the bench mark. I don't like the fact that you only win a car for completing a whole license of races, that seems to have taken something away from GT as we know it but that's not just PD's fault, the whole gaming landscape has changed now that we are ' online' and with microtransactions becoming the norm however all of this does not deter me from recognising that the good outweighs the bad. I also think that if PD kept us informed then people would feel less frustrated, I think it shows that PD don't even look at this site lol. Lets wait until we have the extra content, it may change how a lot of you feel about the game.
 
Samus
I assume he's following that usual train of thought that if anyone has something bad to say about something they're not a fan.
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As a fan of course you can have criticisms, there's a difference however between criticising a game and stomping it into the ground with hateful fervour and doing it repeatedly especially when its a reply to a positive post, I would not call that person a fan.
 
I have to admit, even I, as a staunch GT fan, find it frustrating that there is no news of the new track and features. As I pointed out above I think if PD kept us informed it would lessen hugely some peoples anger toward this. The new track must be finished, do you think that maybe they want to release it with the track editor? that maybe the new track is part of the area encompassing the editor? and maybe that's what the hold up is ?
 
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Well, that's the question isn't it? Who knows? And that's the very heart of the problem Kollosson.

To some degree, I understand the silent treatment, (i'm a dev in real life myself and have found myself going silent when the red herrings fly too often from the illiterati), that is, ***when things are going ok or when customers are aware that the company has a handle on the situation, but with regards to GT6, every visible marker suggests that they've all but abandoned GT6's completion (I am not suggesting anything about unfulfilled wish list items, just the advertised content) in favor of the newer platform and a future version of the game.

That, is in my opinion an unacceptable position and imo, even dyed-in-the-wool "fanbois" should be getting upset. It is legitimate to question why they are focusing on a future version made for a different console when they haven't even completed this one. GT6 is not a preview (like, for instance, the GT5 prequel that their paid shills cite as evidenciary that there is "precedence" for "legitimate" uncompleted content) and it was never advertised as such.

Personally, I'd like to go back to fanboi status, but it's damned hard to do when it looks more and more like I got snookered.
 
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I understand what you are saying xiando, thing is you have to remember that what ever is happening/going to happen at Sony, PD are in the loop, they knew the PS4 would be out by the time they would be releasing GT6 on PS3 and they would have had the PS4 dev kit for a long time before that, yet they still went for a PS3 release, everything was pre planned so I can't see why they would suddenly take a U turn and not deliver on promised/advertised content, its not like the PS4 was suddenly thrown in front of them. I think the most likely scenario is that they are tweaking everything to perfection and we know what a perfectionist Kaz is. I really can't see them just dumping GT6.
 
kollosson
I can't see why they would suddenly take a U turn and not deliver on promised/advertised content, its not like the PS4 was suddenly thrown in front of them. I think the most likely scenario is that they are tweaking everything to perfection and we know what a perfectionist Kaz is. I really can't see them just dumping GT6.
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I am not saying they are or aren't but there are perfectly good and obvious reasons for not delivering the content like this:

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/41714/Global/

Gran Turismo 6 2,122,894 units

If these numbers are even close to accurate, it's a perfect reason to direct resources towards GT7. GT6 could be as little as 1/3 the sales of GT5, so you can expect 1/3 the DLC sales volume as well if they put out DLC at all. Resources spent on a game that isn't well received by critics and many fans is like flogging a dead horse. Cut your losses and move on, apologize to the fans at some point and hope they'll get over it and pray that the glory of GT7 outweighs the lost goodwill of not finishing GT6 as promised.
 
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I can't speak for anyone else but personally I feel GT6 isn't great. It's good but not great. That being said I've been driving the GT series since the beginning and I wont stop just because GT6 isn't great. In fact the only reason I own a PS3 in the first place is because of GT5 (and now 6.) I am a die hard and will still enjoy it to the fullest extent and subsequently purchase GT7 and a PS4 as soon as it is available.

To me it's like following your favroite sports team. You win some you lose some and even when you lose you still get to see your favorite team play.
 

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