GT7 & PSVR2

[ShonnDaylee]

One of the biggest drawbacks of PSVR2 is the extremely narrow "sweetspot". I also had the Globular Cluster (a must for people with smaller heads), but it was still a bit of a crapshoot to get it just right every time I sat down for a race. Even at the best of times there was always some blurriness around the edges (outside of your focal point).

 

[jonoholland29]

Also to add - when looking at something like my car list, I have to move my head to get it to focus, rather than it tracking my eyes as I was lead to believe.

 

[Lomic]

Also to add - when looking at something like my car list, I have to move my head to get it to focus, rather than it tracking my eyes as I was lead to believe.

same here, but I did not followed carefully the details about the headset, not sure foveated rendering is available on PSVR2 (even if it is available, it is not active in GT7)

 

[newmedia_dev]

I use the standard gear and find it fine, when it’s not clear it’s either not sitting right on my eyes or body/goggle temp difference.

Just as a side note eye tracking and field of view focus are different things. Glancing at the MFD or side mirrors for example is better than just moving your eyes.

Our vision is stereoscopic so not moving your head will always end up with laterally one eye looking across the other. Probably not what you guys are talking about but I do post some vr races etc on YT and you can see where the focus shifts to bring the environment in to focus etc.

 

[GlamFM]

Also to add - when looking at something like my car list, I have to move my head to get it to focus, rather than it tracking my eyes as I was lead to believe.

Two different things at play here. Only what you look at directly is rendered at full resolution. It’s called FOVeated rendering and works as advertised.
What you are describing is a limitation of the lenses that only offer a very small sweet spot and have you move your head around to put stuff in the middle of your FOV where it’s the sharpest.

 

[ShonnDaylee]

same here, but I did not followed carefully the details about the headset, not sure foveated rendering is available on PSVR2 (even if it is available, it is not active in GT7)

It absolutely is activated in GT7, just not in the menu screen. It's only active while on track.

 

[newmedia_dev]

not sure foveated rendering is available on PSVR2 (even if it is available, it is not active in GT7)

It is active, its literally why when watching VR playback in flat screen everything else is only partially rendered.

Take a car to the cafe to do a walk around, take a screen shot of where you are looking, then look at the edges of the image.

That is foveated rendering with a little bit of PD/Sony ip thrown in for post processing.

Just so everyone is on the same page, what do you think foveated rendering looks like?

Edit: Cafe, not Care! Damn autocorrect.

 

[Lomic]

It absolutely is activated in GT7, just not in the menu screen. It's only active while on track.

why do areas out of focus (on track) get their best sharpness when I rotate my head toward them and not just my eyes ?

 

[ShonnDaylee]

why do areas out of focus (on track) get their best sharpness when I rotate my head toward them and not just my eyes ?

Did you not see this response from GlamFM?

Two different things at play here. Only what you look at directly is rendered at full resolution. It’s called FOVeated rendering and works as advertised.
What you are describing is a limitation of the lenses that only offer a very small sweet spot and have you move your head around to put stuff in the middle of your FOV where it’s the sharpest.

 

[newmedia_dev]

why do areas out of focus (on track) get their best sharpness when I rotate my head toward them and not just my eyes ?

Because focal lengths are calculated on the triangulation of both eyes, when you only move your eyes the spatial reference is the same, when you move your head the entire environment it moved with you.

You know when you have to set up a play area and scan the space…your head is the physical frame of reference your eyes just set visual focus depth

 

[rsspyder21]

I’m still waiting for my pre-ordered Bigscreen Beyond 2 headset. Love the PSVR2 but really looking forward to a better headset visuals experience with something like iRacing. That said, I can get my PSVR2 looking the same every time, no problem, and I rarely even notice its shortcomings in GT7, I just focus (no pun intended) on the driving.

 

[Kriptical]

I’m still waiting for my pre-ordered Bigscreen Beyond 2 headset. Love the PSVR2 but really looking forward to a better headset visuals experience with something like iRacing. That said, I can get my PSVR2 looking the same every time, no problem, and I rarely even notice its shortcomings in GT7, I just focus (no pun intended) on the driving.

Nice. Been looking at the big screen beyond stuff and Pimax. Kinda have this idea that the wider the fov, the better the immersion. What made you go with BSB2?

 

[rsspyder21]

Nice. Been looking at the big screen beyond stuff and Pimax. Kinda have this idea that the wider the fov, the better the immersion. What made you go with BSB2?

There’s no way to try these things ahead of time so I based it best I could on available info. Pimax has more than a few awful Amazon reviews, though I take it with a grain of salt. Also a large headset. BSB2 size and feature set looks great to me, and Will on Boosted Media’s review was full of praise for it for sim racing.

 

[Kriptical]

There’s no way to try these things ahead of time so I based it best I could on available info. Pimax has more than a few awful Amazon reviews, though I take it with a grain of salt. Also a large headset. BSB2 size and feature set looks great to me, and Will on Boosted Media’s review was full of praise for it for sim racing.

Yeah. It feels like watch a few reviews then cross your fingers and hope for the best. Its a small part of why I’m going to procrastinate building a pc for about 6 months. Hopefully some of the fur has settled and decisions will be easier..not likely I know lol..

If AC Evo and PMR make it to console without VR support I’d imagine that a few more people around here will get frustrated with Sony and there will be a few more opinions kicking around.

I’m pretty sure I’ve read board messages from both PMR and AC Evo saying that they would need some help from the sony team to make psvr2 viable. At this point, if Sony doesn’t help them..to me..they have either given up on supporting VR on the console and we shouldn’t expect a psvr3 or they are protecting GT7..which would be fine if GT7 updated VR..at all…ever…or if they released a few more tracks. Given how not many of these things sound likely it will probably be time to jump ship.

Can’t wait to hear how you like it bud.

 

[rsspyder21]

Yeah. It feels like watch a few reviews then cross your fingers and hope for the best. Its a small part of why I’m going to procrastinate building a pc for about 6 months. Hopefully some of the fur has settled and decisions will be easier..not likely I know lol..

If AC Evo and PMR make it to console without VR support I’d imagine that a few more people around here will get frustrated with Sony and there will be a few more opinions kicking around.

I’m pretty sure I’ve read board messages from both PMR and AC Evo saying that they would need some help from the sony team to make psvr2 viable. At this point, if Sony doesn’t help them..to me..they have either given up on supporting VR on the console and we shouldn’t expect a psvr3 or they are protecting GT7..which would be fine if GT7 updated VR..at all…ever…or if they released a few more tracks. Given how not many of these things sound likely it will probably be time to jump ship.

Can’t wait to hear how you like it bud.

I procrastinated on getting a gaming PC for the past 10 years 🤣
Didn’t want to wait anymore LOL

I love GT7 on PSVR2. I’m able to easily look past most of the little issues with it. In fact, it was the GT7/VR experience that finally made me think it was worth the spend for all this PC hardware. I expect the PC VR quality to be better for sure, but for me the step up is mostly about wanting even more tracks and modern race cars that GT7 doesn’t offer. Between iRacing et al, and with more sims coming down the pipe, there really won’t be a track or car that isn’t available to run.

If GT had all the tracks used in F1, IMSA, IndyCar and WEC, and more modern race cars, I probably wouldn’t have thought it was worth the time and expense to go down the PC road.

 

[GTRedman]

Two different things at play here. Only what you look at directly is rendered at full resolution. It’s called FOVeated rendering and works as advertised.
What you are describing is a limitation of the lenses that only offer a very small sweet spot and have you move your head around to put stuff in the middle of your FOV where it’s the sharpest.

The issue I have with PSVR2's foveated rendering is that it's like the feature is incompatible with Fresnel lenses, or it's the worst type of lenses to use it on.

What's the point of foveated rendering doing its job if your eyes can’t see it? Foveated rendering needs optical clarity, but the small sweet spot of Fresnel lenses makes it kind of useless.

I have to wonder if the original design had better lenses planned, but due to costs were scrapped for cheaper lenses.

 

[Lomic]

for me the step up is mostly about wanting even more tracks and modern race cars that GT7 doesn’t offer. Between iRacing et al, and with more sims coming down the pipe, there really won’t be a track or car that isn’t available to run.

On my side, I don't care about more tracks, more cars and I really enjoy the great ease to use PSVR2 on PS5. GT7 is beautiful too, even in VR, not all PC titles can do better, most of them focus on other aspects (like being a more realistic sim). Plus I have a great community of buddies with whom I race every week.

As for the cars, we use a wide range of them and rarely the pure race cars, often stock or with little tuning to make them more enjoyable to drive.

There are a lot of little things that could be improved in GT7, sure, in particular in lobbies, but we adapt and it is not an issue when the race is going on.

I use VR on PC too (ACC, MSFS2020 with a Quest2 and now with PSVR2 and an adapter), and it is sometimes a lot of works to make all stars align. And at times it stopped working entirely and it took me weeks to put it back in order (mainly due to procrastinating the "repair" because I was not motivated enough.

I have to admit though that some good PC headset with pancake lenses, high resolution are tempting, but I'd need to upgrade the PC too (currently on a Intel i7 with 32Go of RAM, RTX 3070, SSDs...)

 

[GlamFM]

The issue I have with PSVR2's foveated rendering is that it's like the feature is incompatible with Fresnel lenses, or it's the worst type of lenses to use it on.

What's the point of foveated rendering doing its job if your eyes can’t see it? Foveated rendering needs optical clarity, but the small sweet spot of Fresnel lenses makes it kind of useless.

I have to wonder if the original design had better lenses planned, but due to costs were scrapped for cheaper lenses.

The point of Foveated rendering is resource management. And that it does.

Again two different things at play here. The limitation of the lenses is one thing - foveated rendering a completely different thing.
Better lenses would be better regardless.