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The SVO managed to match or best the handling test numbers obtained by the 944 and the 308, two of the best handling cars of the day. Great for the time, not so good by today's standards.
Handling =/= grip
The SVO managed to match or best the handling test numbers obtained by the 944 and the 308, two of the best handling cars of the day. Great for the time, not so good by today's standards.
Relevant bit bolded. Cracker's point is that having the highest g-force rating or slalom time doesn't necessarily equate to best "handling", it just means it has good grip.
"Handling" is a much more organic concept comprising stuff like body control, balance and adjustability, steering feel and response etc. All "numbers" are is a way of displaying things measured with a stopwatch. Good numbers can be achieved by putting sticky tires on a crap car. Good handling cannot.
Though feel free to disregard if Road & Track rates things like steering feel with a numeric system for some reason.
Handling =/= grip![]()
The SVO was able to match or exceed the skidpad and slalom numbers of two of the best handling cars at the time. It couldn't do that if it handled like crap.
Like Stotty said above, 'grip' and 'handling' are not the same thing. Wide tyres and stiff suspension will give you impressive skidpad and slalom figures, but it say nothing about how a car actually 'handles'
It could, actually. It could do exactly that by having equal or greater grip than they do. Grip (again) is not synonymous with handling.The SVO was able to match or exceed the skidpad and slalom numbers of two of the best handling cars at the time. It couldn't do that if it handled like crap.
Only both those cars were rated highly in their day for actual handling characteristics (particularly the Porsche).Maybe the Ferrari 308 and Porsche 944 handled bad and it was masked by sticky tires?
Not really. It's more a test of the driver's ability to hold the car on a point just before it oversteers or understeers. That requires balance, but like handling as a whole, balance is a much broader concept than holding a car at a constant throttle to make it return good skidpad numbers. If the driver could say, find that point instantaneously in a turn on the road, or on a race track, then that'd be good balance. Slowly getting up to it and holding the car there is just practice.Skidpad tests more than grip, it also tests balance.![]()
Indeed. But an agile car won't necessarily return good slalom figures if it doesn't first have good grip. Rather depends how tight the slalom is too - provided the tires stick there's little reason a dodgy-handling car couldn't be muscled through a slalom at the same speed a better-handling car could flow through with little effort.Slalom tests agility and ability to change direction.
Like I said above, skidpad and slalom test more than just grip.
Also, the suspension was changed a little, but the tires on the SVO were the same size as the GT of the day.
Also, the suspension was changed a little, but the tires on the SVO were the same size as the GT of the day.
For the record, I can tell you that the car does corner well and it doesn't "handle like crap" like some people put it here. The thing felt quite planted in hard cornering and had plenty of grip. Yeah it might not be stellar by today's standards but it IS miles and miles better than a normal Fox Rustang. This of course is all seat-of-the-pants feel from me, so take that as you will lol.
Which is, of course, a perfectly valid metric for describing handlingThis of course is all seat-of-the-pants feel from me, so take that as you will lol.
Which is, of course, a perfectly valid metric for describing handling![]()
It scored a 7.8 on the buttock scale.
Which is, of course, a perfectly valid metric for describing handling![]()
Like I said above, skidpad and slalom test more than just grip.
Also, the suspension was changed a little, but the tires on the SVO were the same size as the GT of the day.
It could, actually. It could do exactly that by having equal or greater grip than they do. Grip (again) is not synonymous with handling.
Only both those cars were rated highly in their day for actual handling characteristics (particularly the Porsche).
Mustangs, traditionally, have not been great handlers as standard. I'm not saying the SVO wasn't (I've not driven one, nor have I driven a 308 or 944 to compare it with), but quoting "good numbers" does not mean it was a good handling car. It just means it was one that happened to be good in measurable disciplines that tend to place grip over handling.
Not really. It's more a test of the driver's ability to hold the car on a point just before it oversteers or understeers. That requires balance, but like handling as a whole, balance is a much broader concept than holding a car at a constant throttle to make it return good skidpad numbers. If the driver could say, find that point instantaneously in a turn on the road, or on a race track, then that'd be good balance. Slowly getting up to it and holding the car there is just practice.
Indeed. But an agile car won't necessarily return good slalom figures if it doesn't first have good grip. Rather depends how tight the slalom is too - provided the tires stick there's little reason a dodgy-handling car couldn't be muscled through a slalom at the same speed a better-handling car could flow through with little effort.
To say you have this article presumably in your possession, you've not really provided much detail into this "handling" thing. Is the test just a bunch of numbers or are there actually testers' notes on how the cars actually handle?
But they only provide raw numbers, which say nothing about 'feel' or any of the other traits that testers use to describe the quality of handling.
widht-size maybe, but the tires it came with were specially developed for the car by Good Year if I remember correctly, and were shod on those specific, cool 16-inch wheels. They were far better tires than the Gt ever came with.
It's a test of how long the car can stay in the skidpad circle. Poorly balanced/poorly set up cars will either spin out or understeer out of the circle.
It really proves nothing more than a cars ability to constantly go round in a tight circle. Doesn't mean much in the real world. Unless you do a lot of trackdays at Bristol MS![]()
5.0 =/= SVO. And Vanilla Ice is all about the 5.0.
That it isn't a 5.0 is why the SVO squeaks into cool territory. The only "Mustang" cooler is the 350Hertz.
The V8 had the torque advantage, and the four cylinder engine wasn't all that much lighter than the V8.Cool. Seemed like a good idea, but I can imagine why it didn't last too long.
The V8 made 210hp.![]()
I know, but it was still pretty impressive compared to the V8....The V8 had the torque advantage, and the four cylinder engine wasn't all that much lighter than the V8.