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I'm guessing it's an SU because of FWD and being a hatchback?
You are correct, sir.
I'm guessing it's an SU because of FWD and being a hatchback?
Size
Why would you do this?For any car really, but just for :censored:s and giggles?
Coolness is always subjective, but 95% of people on this forum disagree with you.You are correct, sir.
Coolness is always subjective, but 95% of people on this forum disagree with you.
All W&N, JMoney, and other crazy 'V8's or nothing' quotes aside, The "SU because hatchback and FWD" justification is really starting to fall to shambles.
Dagger, did you intend to use an "N" instead of the "J" in "Jot", by any chance?
Grammar OCD aside, i can say that i think that the FF arguement can be possibly shot down with this car.
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V8? Yes. FF? Yes. Cool? In my mind, yes.
Dagger, did you intend to use an "N" instead of the "J" in "Jot", by any chance?
Grammar OCD aside, i can say that i think that the FF arguement can be possibly shot down with this car.
V8? Yes. FF? Yes. Cool? In my mind, yes.
Thank you, I needed my thread-ly fix of that video.phixed
If it has nothing over its competitors, then it's just a boring looking hot hatch.
I'm guessing it's an SU because of FWD and being a hatchback?
I decided on cool, for the following reasons:
The ones stated on the previous page by @GTP_Ingram.
The fact that I would probably do a double take if I saw it here in the states.
The fact that it would make an awesome first car for me (Good gas mileage, sporty, probably safe enough to jot be a rolling deathtrap).
I still don't really care for the styling, or the FWD (Just not a fan of that drivetrain), but that can be overlooked.
Not as lame as other "hot" hatches, but still a solid SU.
Two types of people. Dagger311 was considering uncool, but was willing to consider arguments that suggest otherwise. If he'd voted uncool after that, then he'd still have earned respect for his choice.
On the other hand, we have someone who has voted uncool, based on which wheels are driven and how the boot opens. I still struggle to understand why either of those things are relevant? It has a sensible hatch because it was a car converted from a humble little hatchback into a car which - and lets be modest here - would destroy the car in AdamGP's avatar on any road featuring anything resembling a corner.
AdamGP: I don't deny that the ability to lay a V8-powered 11 at will is cool, but there is far more to motoring than living out fantasies of "them Duke boys gettin' into a whole heap o' trouble." The sooner you learn that the better.
Fixed the mistake, by the way.Dagger, did you intend to use an "N" instead of the "J" in "Jot", by any chance?
Grammar OCD aside, i can say that i think that the FF arguement can be possibly shot down with this car.
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V8? Yes. FF? Yes. Cool? In my mind, yes.
Not just horsepower and weight, but I didn't know anyone who owned one to ask about things like handling and ride quality, then there was the post on the last page that explained all that, and I decided it was cool.If "nothing" only refers to horsepower and weight, you're sort of missing the point of the cool wall. Entirely.
On the other hand, we have someone who has voted uncool, based on which wheels are driven and how the boot opens. I still struggle to understand why either of those things are relevant?
That low weight means that on the right road it has a genuine giant killing quality, too, as the owner of a Maserati GranTurismo I once came across found out to his cost
A car which can humble more expensive and "faster" machinery? Cool
Drivetrain shouldn't be even partial reason on voting. Only seriously uncool drivetrain related thing is caring about what drivetrain the car has. If you don't believe me you can try to point a FWD car and say that it has a wrong drivetrain to some non car enthusiast and that person will most likely want to hit you as hard as they can at that moment.Being fwd and a hatchback are just a couple reasons for voting the way I did. There are others. My vote was consistent with other hatches that have been polled. Not everyone feels the same way about each car. If that were the case, these polls would be a rather unnecessary waste of time and forum space.
Drivetrain shouldn't be even partial reason on voting. Only seriously uncool drivetrain related thing is caring about what drivetrain the car has. If you don't believe me you can try to point a FWD car and say that it has a wrong drivetrain to some non car enthusiast and that person will most likely want to hit you as hard as they can at that moment.
You're right on the fact that that not everyone likes the car we're rating, but most people here don't go and say "SU because not American enough". Not that you said so, but it really sounded like it.
Because you will bore that person.If that person is a non car enthusiast, why would they car about a car's drivetrain enough to want to hit me?![]()
Because you will bore that person.
Can't speak for everyone but typically hatches start off at an uncool for me because I've always associated them with with cars bought out of financial necessity. Hatches are bought by teenage learners because it's all they can afford to insure, and teenage drivers are never cool... or they are elderly people.
Without exception, EVERYONE I know who drives or drove a hot-hatch has, at one-time, regaled me with stories of how they've taken down M3's, M5's, Ferraris, Porsches....now I'm not saying they were all BS, or there aren't situations where something like that might potentially be plausible, but much more likely is the fact that people with much nicer cars, that cost alot more, probably with more years of driving experience, probably aren't going to attempt to take their cars to the limit on public roads - where as little Billy Hot-Hatch is probably too busy trying to prove something to have that much sense.
Being fwd and a hatchback are just a couple reasons for voting the way I did. There are others. My vote was consistent with other hatches that have been polled.
Not everyone feels the same way about each car. If that were the case, these polls would be a rather unnecessary waste of time and forum space.
I don't doubt for a second that this would beat a Roadrunner on a twisty road. For one, the Roadrunner was not designed for that type of driving, as the 205 was. It is also ~20+ years newer than said Roadrunner. If the 205 (or any 80's/90's hot hatch) can't beat a 1960's muscle car on a twisty road, I would find that quite sad.
But go ahead with implying I am a narrow minded knuckle dragging Neanderthal, etc. Won't change my vote.
Wanting to do something and doing it are completely different things.If they resort to violence because they get a little bored, they have issues.