GTP Cool Wall: 1984-1994 Peugeot 205 GTi

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1984-1994 Peugeot 205 GTi


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Great car, but the owners then, and now, epically uncool. It's a hot hatch.... may as well be a Nova GTE with an animal bodykit.
 

Ah. It still weighed nothing though.

Why would you do this? :lol: For any car really, but just for :censored:s and giggles?

For the fun, of course. We used to take cars that were destined for the scrapyard for one last day of fun. Hillclimbing against a muddy/grassy hill. It was so steep that most of the cars never got higher than having their rear wheels also on the incline. Until the police came to our spot on a regular basis. Damn coppers.

A 1.9 GTi was and is still the only FWD vehicle that reached the top. Mostly due to the grippy tires but still, it received a good bit respect that day.
 
I decided on cool, for the following reasons:

The ones stated on the previous page by @GTP_Ingram.
The fact that I would probably do a double take if I saw it here in the states.
The fact that it would make an awesome first car for me (Good gas mileage, sporty, probably safe enough to not be a rolling deathtrap).

I still don't really care for the styling, or the FWD (Just not a fan of that drivetrain), but that can be overlooked.
 
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Coolness is always subjective, but 95% of people on this forum disagree with you.

All W&N, JMoney, and other crazy 'V8's or nothing' quotes aside, The "SU because hatchback and FWD" justification is really starting to fall to shambles.

Mmkay...

Like you said, coolness is subjective. I don't care if my vote is the minority.
 
Dagger, did you intend to use an "N" instead of the "J" in "Jot", by any chance?
Grammar OCD aside, i can say that i think that the FF arguement can be possibly shot down with this car.
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V8? Yes. FF? Yes. Cool? In my mind, yes.
 
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Dagger, did you intend to use an "N" instead of the "J" in "Jot", by any chance?
Grammar OCD aside, i can say that i think that the FF arguement can be possibly shot down with this car.
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V8? Yes. FF? Yes. Cool? In my mind, yes.

That thing would have been so Seriously Uncool if they had removed the second O in the name. :sly:
 
I don't know why but I always had a soft spot for 80's peugeots...the 205 gti looks good and It's an awesome machine to drive...I'll give it a high cool.
 
If it has nothing over its competitors, then it's just a boring looking hot hatch.

If "nothing" only refers to horsepower and weight, you're sort of missing the point of the cool wall. Entirely.

I'm guessing it's an SU because of FWD and being a hatchback?

Close: a crippling case of tunnel vision.

Going with SZ. Yes, it has a massive, borderline overhyped reputation, but in this particular case, I'd consider it deserved. I've read enough about it from those I trust to know anybody who thinks it'd be a boring steer because it happens to send its power to the front wheels are fools. And while the styling can be described as boring to some, I think it's held up admirably: a tidy, pert little hatch in the face of the basking-whale Peugeots from the early noughts.
 
10 years ago it would have been uncool, because there were quite many standard 205s around and the GTi wasn't different enough to stand out of other 205. Now those standard 205s are mostly demolished including few GTi models that were in bad condition. It's sub zero, but only if it's in good condition.
 
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I decided on cool, for the following reasons:

The ones stated on the previous page by @GTP_Ingram.
The fact that I would probably do a double take if I saw it here in the states.
The fact that it would make an awesome first car for me (Good gas mileage, sporty, probably safe enough to jot be a rolling deathtrap).

I still don't really care for the styling, or the FWD (Just not a fan of that drivetrain), but that can be overlooked.

Not as lame as other "hot" hatches, but still a solid SU.

Two types of people. Dagger311 was considering uncool, but was willing to consider arguments that suggest otherwise. If he'd voted uncool after that, then he'd still have earned respect for his choice.

On the other hand, we have someone who has voted uncool, based on which wheels are driven and how the boot opens. I still struggle to understand why either of those things are relevant? It has a sensible hatch because it was a car converted from a humble little hatchback into a car which - and lets be modest here - would destroy the car in AdamGP's avatar on any road featuring anything resembling a corner.

AdamGP: I don't deny that the ability to lay a V8-powered 11 at will is cool, but there is far more to motoring than living out fantasies of "them Duke boys gettin' into a whole heap o' trouble." The sooner you learn that the better.
 
The coolest FWD hot hatch I can think. Gets bonus points because a 205 GTi was the first car I sat in, as a toddler. My dad used to own one of these back in the day, heavily tuned, to boot.

The only thing that keeps me from voting SZ is the fact that my dad also had an impressive mullet back in the day... And I kinda associate that look with the 205 now :scared:
 
Two types of people. Dagger311 was considering uncool, but was willing to consider arguments that suggest otherwise. If he'd voted uncool after that, then he'd still have earned respect for his choice.

On the other hand, we have someone who has voted uncool, based on which wheels are driven and how the boot opens. I still struggle to understand why either of those things are relevant? It has a sensible hatch because it was a car converted from a humble little hatchback into a car which - and lets be modest here - would destroy the car in AdamGP's avatar on any road featuring anything resembling a corner.

AdamGP: I don't deny that the ability to lay a V8-powered 11 at will is cool, but there is far more to motoring than living out fantasies of "them Duke boys gettin' into a whole heap o' trouble." The sooner you learn that the better.

Well, thanks for that.

Being fwd and a hatchback are just a couple reasons for voting the way I did. There are others. My vote was consistent with other hatches that have been polled. Not everyone feels the same way about each car. If that were the case, these polls would be a rather unnecessary waste of time and forum space.

I don't doubt for a second that this would beat a Roadrunner on a twisty road. For one, the Roadrunner was not designed for that type of driving, as the 205 was. It is also ~20+ years newer than said Roadrunner. If the 205 (or any 80's/90's hot hatch) can't beat a 1960's muscle car on a twisty road, I would find that quite sad.

But go ahead with implying I am a narrow minded knuckle dragging Neanderthal, etc. Won't change my vote.
 
Dagger, did you intend to use an "N" instead of the "J" in "Jot", by any chance?
Grammar OCD aside, i can say that i think that the FF arguement can be possibly shot down with this car.
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V8? Yes. FF? Yes. Cool? In my mind, yes.
Fixed the mistake, by the way.

And it's not that FWD is automatically uncool, I'm just not a fan of it. The Toronado is probably my favorite FF car though. 👍

But a hot hatch almost needs FWD, that's why I said it was alright.

If "nothing" only refers to horsepower and weight, you're sort of missing the point of the cool wall. Entirely.
Not just horsepower and weight, but I didn't know anyone who owned one to ask about things like handling and ride quality, then there was the post on the last page that explained all that, and I decided it was cool.

In hindsight though, I probably could've found a review of the car online. :lol:
 
On the other hand, we have someone who has voted uncool, based on which wheels are driven and how the boot opens. I still struggle to understand why either of those things are relevant?

Can't speak for everyone but typically hatches start off at an uncool for me because I've always associated them with with cars bought out of financial necessity. Hatches are bought by teenage learners because it's all they can afford to insure, and teenage drivers are never cool... or they are bought by elderly people. Whilst I know the GTI doesn't tick those boxes, it's still the image that clings to the body style - but the same way as certain other cars have been judged on associative factors.

FWD in a small performance car, I appreciate can be effective, but I find it positively comical when I'm in friends warm hatches, or other wise "hot" FWD cars, and they power-plough off roundabouts or out of some bends. For sure, me trying to do the same thing in an old RWD BMW probably isn't much safer or more effective, but there's something I prefer about balancing the car with the back-end of the car, rather than the front. My first car was a diesel 106, you could get gobs of lift-off oversteer, but it's not the same.

I'm not trying to say that RWD is superior or FWD is lame, but sometimes people do have valid reasons for thinking things are not that cool... which also brings me on to this...

That low weight means that on the right road it has a genuine giant killing quality, too, as the owner of a Maserati GranTurismo I once came across found out to his cost :D
A car which can humble more expensive and "faster" machinery? Cool

Without exception, EVERYONE I know who drives or drove a hot-hatch has, at one-time, regaled me with stories of how they've taken down M3's, M5's, Ferraris, Porsches....now I'm not saying they were all BS, or there aren't situations where something like that might potentially be plausible, but much more likely is the fact that people with much nicer cars, that cost alot more, probably with more years of driving experience, probably aren't going to attempt to take their cars to the limit on public roads - where as little Billy Hot-Hatch is probably too busy trying to prove something to have that much sense.

edit: for me it also got pushed down to SU because I hate, and I mean hate, the styling. This and the 309 go down as two of the cars I find most vile to look at.
 
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Being fwd and a hatchback are just a couple reasons for voting the way I did. There are others. My vote was consistent with other hatches that have been polled. Not everyone feels the same way about each car. If that were the case, these polls would be a rather unnecessary waste of time and forum space.
Drivetrain shouldn't be even partial reason on voting. Only seriously uncool drivetrain related thing is caring about what drivetrain the car has. If you don't believe me you can try to point a FWD car and say that it has a wrong drivetrain to some non car enthusiast and that person will most likely want to hit you as hard as they can at that moment.

You're right on the fact that that not everyone likes the car we're rating, but most people here don't go and say "SU because not American enough". Not that you said so, but it really sounded like it.
 
Drivetrain shouldn't be even partial reason on voting. Only seriously uncool drivetrain related thing is caring about what drivetrain the car has. If you don't believe me you can try to point a FWD car and say that it has a wrong drivetrain to some non car enthusiast and that person will most likely want to hit you as hard as they can at that moment.

If that person is a non car enthusiast, why would they car about a car's drivetrain enough to want to hit me? :confused:

I've just never been a fan of fwd, especially in any car that claims to have a sporting pedigree.

Fwd is fine for daily driving. Every vehicle I have owned thus far has been fwd, although only one can claim to have any shred of a sporting nature.

You're right on the fact that that not everyone likes the car we're rating, but most people here don't go and say "SU because not American enough". Not that you said so, but it really sounded like it.

Never said that.

Besides, it's not that the car is not American enough, it's that it is too French. :p
 
Can't speak for everyone but typically hatches start off at an uncool for me because I've always associated them with with cars bought out of financial necessity. Hatches are bought by teenage learners because it's all they can afford to insure, and teenage drivers are never cool... or they are elderly people.

That's fair enough 👍

Without exception, EVERYONE I know who drives or drove a hot-hatch has, at one-time, regaled me with stories of how they've taken down M3's, M5's, Ferraris, Porsches....now I'm not saying they were all BS, or there aren't situations where something like that might potentially be plausible, but much more likely is the fact that people with much nicer cars, that cost alot more, probably with more years of driving experience, probably aren't going to attempt to take their cars to the limit on public roads - where as little Billy Hot-Hatch is probably too busy trying to prove something to have that much sense.

In some cases I'm sure you're right. But I'm not a mug behind the wheel of a car. I can also tell when someone is trying hard (and when their car is working hard) and when they are not. Both he and his car definitely were; he was cutting completely onto the wrong side of the road to keep ahead of me around the bends (I wasn't) and on the sections of road when he had a chance to open the car up, he blew me away, and I was hardly hanging about myself..

Being fwd and a hatchback are just a couple reasons for voting the way I did. There are others. My vote was consistent with other hatches that have been polled.

And herein lies the problem. Keeping consistent is code for "making a sweeping generalisation," and is not really a good thing. All it means is that you can look at something that you're not sure about and state an opinion without really thinking. Not every hot hatch is cool. Not every muscle car is cool either. Just because I know less about muscle cars doesn't mean I maintain the same opinion for every single one.

Not everyone feels the same way about each car. If that were the case, these polls would be a rather unnecessary waste of time and forum space.

Totally agree. So you shouldn't be surprised when someone who doesn't share your opinion wishes to debate it, particularly when said opinion comes across as generally dismissive rather than a well-considered judgement. Asking "why?" is what makes a debate interesting. Otherwise we'd just be left with a group of people bashing their skulls into one another for supremacy.

I don't doubt for a second that this would beat a Roadrunner on a twisty road. For one, the Roadrunner was not designed for that type of driving, as the 205 was. It is also ~20+ years newer than said Roadrunner. If the 205 (or any 80's/90's hot hatch) can't beat a 1960's muscle car on a twisty road, I would find that quite sad.

But go ahead with implying I am a narrow minded knuckle dragging Neanderthal, etc. Won't change my vote.

My point - and one that has been reiterated time and time again in these threads - is that power is not the be-all and end-all of either performance driving, or indeed coolness. I, and many others, struggle to understand why some people are seemingly incapable of understanding that a car outside of their very small niche might possibly be cool too.
 
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