That's what I meant. It's not an overrated 911, which is still a great car, but other porsche deserve some love too. The 968 is one of my fave porsche's.
The 968 was given such a beating that the most direct Japanese competition was gone within a year anyway. The RX-7 didn't even last that long.
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The Supra has an extra 100hp over the Porsche and was more of a Porsche 928 Rival, of course it would be more expensive.
Wow. It's almost like something I already said.
You know what was quite a bit faster than both? The lardass 3000GT. Would you be able to ever find anyone who said that thing was better?
Except for those reviews where it wasn't. Clarkson said the 300ZX was faster but otherwise was directly comparable, except the Porsche was more expensive in the UK (until the Club Sport came out, I imagine). Motorweek sung an awful lot of praises for both cars for one of them to be seriously deficient to the other one.
Of course, the 300ZX also left parts of the European market before the 968 went out of production. So there's that. Does nothing for your assertion about how much Japanese cars "dominated" their European equivalents when they almost immediately ballooned to prices well out of the semi-affordable niche they filled and barely sold at all compared to their 80s counterparts.
That's true. Countries outside of America, like Japan and the UK, also got the cheaper, better handling, faster 968 Club Sport. Countries outside of America, like Japan and the UK, also had a 300ZX with less horsepower.
Wow. It's almost like something I already said.
You know what was quite a bit faster than both? The lardass 3000GT. Would you be able to ever find anyone who said that thing was better?
In fact:
It's downright scandalous how much slower the 968 is.
I'm also somewhat surprised you think "hyperbole without showing any factual basis" is your go-to response after how well it just worked out for you when talking about car prices.
Except for those reviews where it wasn't. Clarkson said the 300ZX was faster but otherwise was directly comparable, except the Porsche was more expensive in the UK (until the Club Sport came out, I imagine). Motorweek sung an awful lot of praises for both cars for one of them to be seriously deficient to the other one.
What a horrible car. And I definitely gotta say, nothing says "completely outclassed" like "It hasn't got the reactions or grip like the RX-7 or 300ZX, but it is so progressive and adjustable that it doesn't really matter."
And look at those prices! Porsche really priced themselves out of that market. Sure is a good thing that Porsche didn't quickly release a model that apparently came in at around 30 flat.
Of course, the 300ZX also left parts of the European market before the 968 went out of production. So there's that. Does nothing for your assertion about how much Japanese cars "dominated" their European equivalents when they almost immediately ballooned to prices well out of the semi-affordable niche they filled and barely sold at all compared to their 80s counterparts.
That's true. Countries outside of America, like Japan and the UK, also got the cheaper, better handling, faster 968 Club Sport. Countries outside of America, like Japan and the UK, also had a 300ZX with less horsepower.
I was unaware I was talking about the clubsport which wasn't even mentioned in this poll for this 968.Wow. It's almost like something I already said.
You know what was quite a bit faster than both? The lardass 3000GT. Would you be able to ever find anyone who said that thing was better?
In fact:
It's downright scandalous how much slower the 968 is.
I'm also somewhat surprised you think "hyperbole without showing any factual basis" is your go-to response after how well it just worked out for you when talking about car prices.
Except for those reviews where it wasn't. Clarkson said the 300ZX was faster but otherwise was directly comparable, except the Porsche was more expensive in the UK (until the Club Sport came out, I imagine). Motorweek sung an awful lot of praises for both cars for one of them to be seriously deficient to the other one.
What a horrible car. And I definitely gotta say, nothing says "completely outclassed" like "It hasn't got the reactions or grip like the RX-7 or 300ZX, but it is so progressive and adjustable that it doesn't really matter."
And look at those prices! Porsche really priced themselves out of that market. Sure is a good thing that Porsche didn't quickly release a model that apparently came in at around 30 flat.
Of course, the 300ZX also left parts of the European market before the 968 went out of production. So there's that. Does nothing for your assertion about how much Japanese cars "dominated" their European equivalents when they almost immediately ballooned to prices well out of the semi-affordable niche they filled and barely sold at all compared to their 80s counterparts.
That's true. Countries outside of America, like Japan and the UK, also got the cheaper, better handling, faster 968 Club Sport. Countries outside of America, like Japan and the UK, also had a 300ZX with less horsepower.
Considering even now you're just pulling arguments out of midair to try and salvage something from your original post, I'm not particularly surprised that you wouldn't have taken the ten minutes it took to see if anything you were saying was actually true. I mean, why start now?
Salvage what? Explain to me how the car in question is not a victim to the 300zx, its reviewed worse and sold significantly worse, not sure what else you want?
The incorrect sentiments you expressed in your first post and have since been falling over yourself trying to force any interpretation that could still be considered true. Noone dominated anyone during the "90s Japanese Sports car Explosion" except Mazda with the Miata and Mitsubishi with the Eclipse, because those were the only two that actually managed to last through the decade unscathed instead of just retreating to Japan before Clinton even got to his second term. 1992 wasn't the same as the late 80s when the Japanese companies were flying high against extremely expensive competition. The entire coupe segment collapsed on itself by the time the 968 debuted. Past 1995 when the 968 went out of production, barely any of them were still operating on anything but a few thousand sales a year. Mazda couldn't even justify making the refreshed RX-7 in LHD anymore. Nissan didn't even bother keeping the 300ZX up with emissions regulations in one of its biggest markets. The 3000GT went through its first round of decontenting.
This simply isn't true for either part. Period. If you had originally talked about the RX-7, it would have been true enough, but you didn't. In the US, the 300ZX was mildly more powerful and thus decently faster (but with similar handling capabilities and much more weight), but by the time the 968 came out the 300ZX was already 20% more expensive than it debuted at. By the time the 968 went out of production it was the more expensive car. In the UK, the two cars had a similar price difference and a smaller performance difference, but you could also get a 968 that was cheaper and performed better if either of those things were the biggest hurdles.
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thats what I think about this car ^^(just ignore the 944 and imagine it would be a 968
