GTP Le Mans Prototype Series : Season 4 Complete

[Aqua F1]

What's happening with weather change as it isn't random at the start. Agree on a preset level?

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

What's happening with weather change as it isn't random at the start. Agree on a preset level?

It makes the most sense to set weather to 50% and changeability to 10. That was it is completely random which way it ends up.

And if you think "hey, that is way too much chance of rain'" keep in mind that only a small amount of tracks we race at actually have the possibility of rain.

 

[amf7]

Wtf this is complicating things their must be a random mode rather than that mike as that's ridiculous starting in the wet

 

[jakegirard]

Wtf this is complicating things their must be a random mode rather than that mike as that's ridiculous starting in the wet

How is it ridiculous to start in the wet FFS? This series is supposed to be realistic. IIRC, they race LMP's in the freakin rain, lol. Deal with it!

 

[GT5_X2010]

Personally I would like visual damage to be switched off so that a crash on lap 1 doesn't make you car look good awful on lap 30 in a photo. Just makes it all nicer to look at. If the visual damage was like scratches then yeah it would be cool but when it is just blackening of the car, it is horrid.

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For the Le Mans race, can we start two hours earlier so that I can race? If it impedes other drivers then let it start as normal and I will not race but if you can start early, can we please?

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In regards to the weather, I believe that weather changeability should be tested out to see how big an effect it has on high changeability. (I will be testing this right now so please join when I open the room). I believe that the changeability should be set in between 3-7 so that we get a fair chance of rain coming but not so much that it will always rain. Maybe at Spa we could have a higher chance since it is known for raining (but not too high. It will be epic in the dry) and at tracks like Le Mans, Suzuka, Monza we can have lower levels since the tracks usually have a dry race with little or no rain.

Also, as for the % effects, I think we should always start off with 25% weather as this provides sunny weather (yesterday I had weather set to 50% and surface water at 100% and it was just very overcast and a very wet track and the drying line was extremelly visible since there was no sunlight. Now though 50% is just rain and 25% and 0% are full dry and sunny wtf). Back to the topic. Track water should be set to 0% at start and weather should be 25% with the changeability deciding the race.

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I am sick of the F1 2011 vs GT5 posts too now. F1 is a great game for the buzz of a race etc but when it comes to overall game and what you can do, GT5 delivers more (take the way the lobby system works and spectating and replays etc....) so with a single race, F1 delivers great enjoyment. But with long testing and variety, GT5 is far superior. Now let us move on. We are here to race Le Mans cars, not F1 cars with different physics.

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I personally love Spec 2.0 since I saw the list of features and that is all I expected. Improved feedback. Slightly less stable cars. Great DLC coming up (the paint looks so colourful. Stig suit will be nice since it will fit all cars. Spa is amazing. The Kart Space looks amazing too.) so overall I am very very happy.

 

[freshseth83]

I am annoyed that fm4 has loads if new lmps

Forzas LMP's aren't even modeled accurately, the two Aston Martin's are old with updated livery. The lola cars are all the same with different bodywork and livery. Go to ten-tenths.com, Forza is way off the mark, even commentators from ALMS races were saying how wrong Road America was. I'm not trying to argue, but the facts are out there.

Wtf this is complicating things their must be a random mode rather than that mike as that's ridiculous starting in the wet

Weather is fine with TC, just gotta practice!

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

Wtf this is complicating things their must be a random mode rather than that mike as that's ridiculous starting in the wet

50% means the weather starts dry and can go either way. Do some reading up on the new Spec 2 features 👍

In regards to the weather, I believe that weather changeability should be tested out to see how big an effect it has on high changeability. (I will be testing this right now so please join when I open the room). I believe that the changeability should be set in between 3-7 so that we get a fair chance of rain coming but not so much that it will always rain.

Remember that there are only a couple of tracks we race at where it can even rain at all. Two tracks out of a five track season usually. Since we have guaranteed dry weather, I think setting the initial setting to 50% change, 0% standing water (even chance either way) is a better idea for weather-enabled tracks.

I thing changeability 10 is our best bet. Our races are only an hour, so the faster the weather can vary, the better chance we have of interesting weather patterns such as a dry race getting wet at the very end, a race being overcast, wet, then drying, etc.

Personally I would like visual damage to be switched off so that a crash on lap 1 doesn't make you car look good awful on lap 30 in a photo. Just makes it all nicer to look at. If the visual damage was like scratches then yeah it would be cool but when it is just blackening of the car, it is horrid.

Golfer, are you seriously advocating turning off visual damage just so you can take pretty piccies?

It's fine the way we are doing it; the car damage has even been scaled back in Spec 2 so that it looks less ridiculous: go smash up a FGT post-patch. You can no longer bend the front wing and nose into impossible angles...it is more restricted.

 

[GT5_X2010]

It makes the most sense to set weather to 50% and changeability to 10

No. That makes little sense. We need to test out to see how sensitive the changeability is because if 10 changeability is like normal before the update, then it is far from realistic if 3 minutes after opening the lobby the track turns fully wet.

And 50% weather is almost always intermediate rain or if your lucky extremelly overcast weather (Every time I open a lobby, I set it to 50% weather. Once I got thick grey clouds. The other times were intermediate rain). Like I said, 25% is best since it looks visually the same as 0%, doesn't mean you start in wet conditions on inters every race and unlike 0%, you are abit closer to the rain at the higher %.

And you say we don't race at many weather change circuits? Well season 5 is most likely going to be 5 races. One of the rounds will be Le Mans. One will highyl likely be Suzuka. One will definately be Spa. There is also a chance that Monza will be there. If we take all those, then we have 4 of 5 races where it can rain. When it rains, the way to win is to use a DS3 and TCS which is hardly very realistic. Even if Monza isn't in it, we still have 3 of 5 rounds weather change. Would you be happy if MU would the title purely because the season was full of weather change tracks which he dominates on? Even if the one dry race he is massively slower?

If you want to get the best possible weather regulations, don't set them on a mild fling with limited knowledge like you clearly have. Test to see what is best like I am going to do.

 

[amf7]

How many wet races do you see in real life??? Hardly any so if we get 1 a season then I think that is much mire realistic than rain in 4/5 races... 4/5 is ridiculous Jake

If only GT5 had proper dynamic weather... I swear I have seen it in a game before

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

When it rains, the way to win is to use a DS3 and TCS which is hardly very realistic. Even if Monza isn't in it, we still have 3 of 5 rounds weather change.

FFS, Le Mans cars use traction control.

If you own GT5, you own a Dual Shock 3. If you really feel you are that disadvantaged by some other guy using a DS3 in the wet than practice with one yourself and stop whinging.

Would you be happy if MU would the title purely because the season was full of weather change tracks which he dominates on? Even if the one dry race he is massively slower?

I'd be fine with that because he is a great driver.

then it is far from realistic if 3 minutes after opening the lobby the track turns fully wet.

Yeah and you know what's also not realistic? Running the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1 to 2 hours. That's because we S C A L E it down due to time constraints, and so we should with weather changes.

Look, if you are going to argue the point of less exciting, less unpredictable races vs. having to be adaptable, you will lose me completely every time.

 

[tissimo]

I'm sure the whole weather models have been revised so it won't start raining and never stop.

 

[amf7]

Why didn't they leave it like that rather than complicate things... And this new dial that jams talking about is ridiculous

 

[SebVettelFan]

Oh God this is getting ugly.

Lets all, myself most of all, stop the bickering between GT and F1, and just enjoy what we enjoy.

Mike, not talking to you here btw, just realizing how silly it all has been. I agree with you 100 percent

After the last few pages, Amen to that I wasn't trying to start another argument before. Just my opinion on 2.0

I am sick of the F1 2011 vs GT5 posts too now. F1 is a great game for the buzz of a race etc but when it comes to overall game and what you can do, GT5 delivers more (take the way the lobby system works and spectating and replays etc....) so with a single race, F1 delivers great enjoyment. But with long testing and variety, GT5 is far superior. Now let us move on. We are here to race Le Mans cars, not F1 cars with different physics.

Funny how on release you were singing the praises of F1 saying you prefer it to GT5. Anyway...... I hope our co-op is still on (when the AI is fixed on it )
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This is the problems was talking about with weather. Very complicated now. It has been long a subject of controversy and now it's gunna get worse lol. My opinion (as much of an argument Golfer and AMF put foward) rain is a part of racing. If it comes, it comes.

 

[amf7]

Yes but our settings should not have an effect the game should do it itself like f1... That's my opinion.

Plus you race with ds3 so you know the advantage OS ridiculous compared to your dfgt

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

Yes but our settings should not have an effect the game should do it itself like f1... That's my opinion.

Plus you race with ds3 so you know the advantage OS ridiculous compared to your dfgt

• If you own a PS3, you own a Dual Shock 3 controller
• If you are genuinely concerned with being at a disadvantage in the rain....
• Practice in the rain with a Dual Shock 3 controller

I am sorry but how is this hard to figure out exactly?

Those with wheels can choose to practice rain with DS3s, but those confined to DS3s cannot enjoy the competitive advantage in the dry.

So again...what's with the complaining from yourself and Golfer?

 

[amf7]

So if it rains during a race.you think.I should do my.best to unplug wheel then get a ds3 on....

 

[SebVettelFan]

Yes but our settings should not have an effect the game should do it itself like f1... That's my opinion.

Plus you race with ds3 so you know the advantage OS ridiculous compared to your dfgt

Not quite ridiculous. Just more consistent. Read Mikes post

but those confined to DS3s cannot enjoy the competitive advantage in the dry.

Me, bombe (and now Jake) have proved otherwise

 

[GT5_X2010]

FFS, Le Mans cars use traction control.

Yeah and you know what's also not realistic? Running the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1 to 2 hours. That's because we S C A L E it down due to time constraints, and so we should with weather changes.

Look, if you are going to argue the point of less exciting, less unpredictable races vs. having to be adaptable, you will lose me completely every time.

Le Mans cars do have traction control yes. However GT5 traction control is much stronger than the traction control allowed on real life LMP cars. That much is obvious. Real life LMP traction control is more like no TCS in Gran Turismo than it is like TCS on 1.

If you scale down the races (lets take Le Mans) then if we scale 24 down to one hour, that means what we experience in an hour is scaled down of what they experience in 24 hours. That means that if the race is entirely wet, then we have experience a scaled version of 24 hours of solid rain fall which would result in major flooding and a red flag life so we have to look at this as a one hour race, not a scaled down 24 hour race otherwise it looks silly.

And finally, I think we would rather see the fastest driver cross the line at Le Mans to become the champion, not the driver that best utilises very powerful TCS and a dualshock controller in the rain.


THIS WEEKEND I AM GOING TO BE HOLDING A LOT OF WEATHER TESTING TO SEE HOW THE WEATHER EFFECTS WORK AND TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE SERIES ON HOW IT WORKS SO THAT A CORRECT DESCISION CAN BE MADE ON WHAT WEATHER SETTINGS SHOULD BE USED. PLEASE ASSIST ME WITH THIS IS BECAUSE IGNORING THE INFORMATION FROM THE ONLY GUY THAT HAS ANY IF A PRETTY STUPID THING TO DO


And at no point have I said I think we should entirely remove rain. I am very clear that I do not enjoy wet weather racing but what I think is wrong is effectively having a track list like this:

Round 1 - Non weather change - Dry race
Round 2 - Weather change - Wet race
Round 3 - Weather Change - Wet race
Round 4 - Non weather change - Dry race
Round 5 - Weather change - Wet race.

This is why we need to test and find the balance so it is even and feels real. Don't just pick regulations based on one hour of playing Spec 2.0. You have to test out all the factors and their effects. I even suggested that Spa should be a higher probability to match what we know from real life. Spa is my favourite track in the world and I hate the rain yet I suggest we increase changeability there and then you say I am saying we should have only dry races?

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

Yep do the testing. I am interested to see how it works out in a big data set 👍

We also need to figure out general guidelines as to when it is better to switch to intermediates, then to wet tires. As in what track saturation percentage.

 

[jakegirard]

Soooo what teams is everyone racing for next season? Golfer? Jamm? Mike? amf?

As far as I know, so far its Tissimo in the BMW, Drum in the 905, and everyone else is undecided.

 

[SebVettelFan]

Intermediates actually work now 👍. I look foward to more tyre choices when it rains 👍
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I also noticed as I was changing rules in an online lounge today that you can restrict setups. Bombes wish may come true. Everyone same car, same setup. Will be interesting to try.

 

[amf7]

I think I will take the Audi or Toyota..

 

[GT5_X2010]

I also noticed as I was changing rules in an online lounge today that you can restrict setups. Bombes wish may come true. Everyone same car, same setup. Will be interesting to try.

bombe has to wait. It isn't restrict set ups. It is restrict tuning. But hey maybe we can try this out abit so have a BHP limit, restrict tuning so we don't get cars with Turbo chargers or Engine Spec 3 are see how it goes.

I will test at Monza, Suzuka and Le Mans. (Tests for Spa will come from the 18th)

Each test will have multiple phases. Each consisting of roughly 30 minutes.

I will have the weather set to 0% at the start and surface water set to 0% too. I will then drive around for 30-60 minutes or so (don't need to drive around, can just watch) and see how much an increase in changeability has on the change in weather.

I will begin with 10 changeability at each track. After seeing how big an effec it has, I will decided wether or not 10 is too high (for example if it starts raining 2 minutes in and doesn't stop, we have gone too high.). I will test until the weather seems to not change at all.

Will anyone help?


Oh and me and Jamman are in harsh negotiations with some French people. It seems the French feel that their 2010 LMP cars i good enough and are considering pulling the old girl so we have to convince the Head of Motorsport otherwise. I'll tell you, they are making it hard to reach a deal. Won't even let us buy the chassis and use it as privateer. (try to work out what I am hinting at here with the privateer thing, it is extremelly subtle)

 

[amf7]

I'll help... give me some more time with this fanatec before i ship it back

 

[GT5_X2010]

I'll help... give me some more time with this fanatec before i ship it back

Get up early on saturday. Hopefully Sunday can be a more relaxed day away from testing. Oh and good news is that we can drive anything in the wet and do wacky things since the car we drive does not affect the weather

 

[Aqua F1]

I think I'll go for the Audi '05 please if its available which I think it is lol.

EDIT: I already know optimal time from inters to dry . Wets to inters I roughly know.

 

[GT5_X2010]

What is terms of %? Yeah I know it too. Well, in F1 cars.

Also, I took a photo at SSR5 in offline of the GT-ONE. Forgot about it but now I remembered I will upload it. I took it in offline for a very good reason. Going to edit it to see if I can make it look epic.

Cna everyone tell me if you are going to aid in testing? I am going to start around 10am since there is so much too do. Please be there for alot of it though.

Any word on starting Le Mans 2 hours early?

 

[amf7]

Get up early on saturday. Hopefully Sunday can be a more relaxed day away from testing. Oh and good news is that we can drive anything in the wet and do wacky things since the car we drive does not affect the weather

I'll be up at 5 for F1

 

[amf7]

1. Is le mans this weekend
2. if it is golfer is that were we r testing?

 

[GT5_X2010]

1. Is le mans this weekend
2. if it is golfer is that were we r testing?

forgot about the F1. Thank you.

Le Mans is this weekend. And we will test initally at Le Mans however we need to know wether the changeability is overall changeability or varies at different circuits. I doubt it will. I believe it will be the same effect at all circuits but I want this to be very thorough. If it is the same at both Le Mans and Suzuka, we will leave it and say it is the same.