GTplanet segregation, factions.

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Take a look at this thread. In my opinion this is bad for GTPlanet. Is the "drifters only" forum supposed to be used like that, as a special little forum for whatever those who have separated themselves from the rest of the community feel like slow-chatting about, or is it for drift related topics? Pergatory's remark in post #5 sums up what I think the problem is, unless that was the forum's purpose all along, but that doesn't seem right. Can somebody clear this up?
 
I would have to agree totally with milefile here. There have been a few topics over there that I posted on, none having to deal with drifting at all. Who is Moderating the "Drifting Forum"?


Just found out -> Moderated by: boombexus , neon_duke
 
Got to agree...

The very fact that the forum is a subsection of the GT3 forum should indicate that it's for the purposes of "drifting" within the game, and not the discussion of absolutely everything by people that consider themselves to be "driterz" (damn neologisms).

If the "Drifters Only" forum were to be moved into the "Cars In General" forum - again as a sub-forum like the MAZ forum - then there would be a case for the discussion of real-life AND GT3-based drifting - and at least the extraneous nonsense like the thread milefile refers to would be partially in place.

I don't understand pergatory's attitude though... To come on a site called "GT" Planet and post anything and everything in a forum for sliding a car around computerised tracks is just... insane. To me. Don't get me wrong - I like the guy. But there's a place for everything here (and everything in it's place)...
 
Originally posted by GTJugend
They do no harm. (Or do they?). Let them live.
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It is not a fact of them doing harm or anything, but GTplanet is a well laid out forum where everything pretty much has its place. How many n00bs do you see post stuff like Nitto settings in the GT3 forum or how do I edit this pic in the rumble strip. It is more of a matter of organization then anything. The Drifting forum was created due to the fact that a lot of people were talking about drifting in the GT3 threads and it was getting annoying, hence the reason why drifters only is in the GT3 sub- forum -> notice where it is located http://gtplanet.net/forum/f-10.html . Then promptly go through the Drifters only threads and tell me the percentage that have to deal with GT3. There is a good number of those threads, but there is also a good number that have nothing to deal with drifting and GT3.
 
miata:

It is not a fact of them doing harm or anything, but GTplanet is a well laid out forum where everything pretty much has its place. How many n00bs do you see post stuff like Nitto settings in the GT3 forum or how do I edit this pic in the rumble strip. It is more of a matter of organization then anything. The Drifting forum was created due to the fact that a lot of people were talking about drifting in the GT3 threads and it was getting annoying, hence the reason why drifters only is in the GT3 sub- forum -> notice where it is located http://gtplanet.net/forum/f-10.html . Then promptly go through the Drifters only threads and tell me the percentage that have to deal with GT3. There is a good number of those threads, but there is also a good number that have nothing to deal with drifting and GT3.
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I see your point.. It can get sort of messy here sometimes. But how's this supposed to be dealt with? I assume noone will be kicked out after percentage of posts containing gt3 stuff or not.

An easy way to make that forum slight more open is mabye just as simple as renaming it. "Drifters only" creates a feeling imo of what pergatory said in post #5, sort of a teenagers room. Call it "GT drifting" or something.
 
Klostrophobic:

If they don't have the Drifter's forum, they'll invade other forums.

Overall, the Drifter's forum is a good thing.
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So, the drifters forum has the function of a mosquito trap? Hmmm.. mabye..
 
Originally posted by GTJugend
I see your point.. It can get sort of messy here sometimes. But how's this supposed to be dealt with? I assume noone will be kicked out after percentage of posts containing gt3 stuff or not.

An easy way to make that forum slight more open is mabye just as simple as renaming it. "Drifters only" creates a feeling imo of what pergatory said in post #5, sort of a teenagers room. Call it "GT drifting" or something.
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It is a lot of work for Jordan and the mods to just to make a change and voila problem fixed. I agree with none being banned, none should be banned, but I think that guidelines must be followed. Why should my posts be moved and closed and whatever you have it? Then the threads I refer to have nothing done to them? Now I make mistakes, everybody does and there is nothing wrong with that, but I tend to follow the guidelines of GTP as best I can minus a few spamming here and there.

I mean this thread right here should have been posted in the GT3 threads, not the drifters only. http://gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30700 It deals with a problem with a PS2 and GT3, but only one sentence to even say the word drifting.
 
It's a mostly unmoderated forum. Moderators could simply move the offending threads to where they belong, and make of point of the thread starter understanding what to do next time.
 
Originally posted by Cobraboy
I remember someone saying the overall IQ ofGTP dropped once the drifters forum was made.

I agree with them completely.
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The same thing happened August 17. August 18 in your case.
 
Could this have occurred because of the way the Drifting forum was simply named "Drifters Only". It could imply that only drifters are allowed to go in there and that they can simply post whatever they want.

I agree with you on this one, milefile.
 
Originally posted by milefile
Take a look at this thread. In my opinion this is bad for GTPlanet. Is the "drifters only" forum supposed to be used like that, as a special little forum for whatever those who have separated themselves from the rest of the community feel like slow-chatting about, or is it for drift related topics? Pergatory's remark in post #5 sums up what I think the problem is, unless that was the forum's purpose all along, but that doesn't seem right. Can somebody clear this up?
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So basically what you're saying here is that you would like to see the "drifters" post all their threads in their respective forums of topic and expand back into the rest of the GTP community, even though the vast majority of members here valiantly tried to avoid that from happening many months ago?

Now all of a sudden it's a bad thing that the "drifters" keep to themselfs? Isn't that what the mainstream GTP members wanted?

You constantly berate, belittle and harass the "drifters" and now you want them to come back into the community which you tried so hard to push them out of? This makes no sense to me when you have taken every chance you get to ostracize them. Why on Earth would they want to venture into the rest of the community?

Your statement below confuses me:
....a special little forum for whatever those who have separated themselves from the rest of the community....
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You and other mainstream members here forced their seperation by demanding a forum be built for them and now you're wondering why they stick to the forum you segregated them into?


This comment disheartens me:
It's a mostly unmoderated forum.
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You don't know what we do there. Many things happen behind the scenes as I know you are well aware of. ;)

I agree that the Drifting Forum has taken on a life of it's own. Fantastic! Yet another added dimension to an already diverse GTPlanet. 👍
Remember, you GTP members opposed to the "drifters" created that.

I really don't understand why you feel the need to step on them at every turn. This whole anti-drift sentiment reeks of a kind of racisim.

Can you clear this up for me please?
 
Belittling bad grammar, bad spelling, poor punctuation, and ignorance is fun. Yeah, I know not everyone that frequents the Drifting forum does this, but it seems like the majority of them do. I mean, just look at it all!

Most of them are blind to the rest of the site anyway.

What's funny is that I'm probably just as bad as "them."
 
Originally posted by boombexus
This comment disheartens me:


You don't know what we do there. Many things happen behind the scenes as I know you are well aware of. ;)

I agree that the Drifting Forum has taken on a life of it's own. Fantastic! Yet another added dimension to an already diverse GTPlanet. 👍
Remember, you GTP members opposed to the "drifters" created that.
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Ok well let me start with my answers to this. First off I am pretty well aware of what it takes to maintain and control an environment such as GTP. I do understand that there are a ton of things to do. With that being said, The reason for the comment is because there have been a number of times I have visited threads there, some I replied to and some I haven't replied to where I feel it either needs to be closed or something. There was one a while ago, (I forgot which one) Where this one dude blatantly broke AUP and should have been banned. I know that he wasn't banned for a few days at least, not sure if he ever was. As for the last comment, I was never opposed to the "drifting" forum, I supported it like everyone else, but with different intentions. I wanted a place in GTP where drifters could go and talk about drifting in GT3. I did not expect it to become a whole little side of the planet for them. To start with, right from the get-go, they cut themselves off from most members that don't post there. I know a few fellows that do that are cool to talk to. Others are a mystery. Now, we always get popped for posting in wrong forums and wrong sub-forums, I feel equal rights is needed. If anything, we are the ones that are being subjected to forumism.
 
Originally posted by miata13B
Ok well let me start with my answers to this. First off I am pretty well aware of what it takes to maintain and control an environment such as GTP. I do understand that there are a ton of things to do. With that being said, The reason for the comment is because there have been a number of times I have visited threads there, some I replied to and some I haven't replied to where I feel it either needs to be closed or something. There was one a while ago, (I forgot which one) Where this one dude blatantly broke AUP and should have been banned. I know that he wasn't banned for a few days at least, not sure if he ever was.
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There are tools put in place for you to use in cases such as that. The "Report to Moderators" function.


I did not expect it to become a whole little side of the planet for them.
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Why not? With the constant flack they recieve from other members here I'm amazed that they are even here at all. Surprised that they haven't given GTPlanet a bad reputation by telling others how horribly treated they were here.


To start with, right from the get-go, they cut themselves off from most members that don't post there.
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I disagree. GTP members cut the "drifters" off from GTP. Remember, the average forum concensus was that the "drifters" were a constant disruption to the community and they greatly needed their own place to gather. Now they do, and people are complaining about that. :confused:

I know a few fellows that do that are cool to talk to. Others are a mystery.
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Yep, I know and chat with members that frequent the drift forum. A lot are great people and some are a mystery exactly like members outside the drifters forum.

Now, we always get popped for posting in wrong forums and wrong sub-forums, I feel equal rights is needed. If anything, we are the ones that are being subjected to forumism.
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Who get's "popped" for posting in a wrong forum? All moderators politely say that they are moving the thread to the proper forum, it's the members here that raise all hell when someone starts a thread in the wrong forum.

How can you say that equal rights are needed when the majority of GTP members wanted the drifting community to dissapear or at the very least, have there own forum. If anything it should be the drifters screaming equal rights for themselfs. With the constant beratement they recieve from other members it's no fault of there own if they don't post out of the forum dedicated to their interst. You are by no means being subjected to "forumism."
 
A "drifter" is not a separate entity to a "GT3 player", nor even an "Internet user". There are many who frequent the drift forum who can conduct themselves in a top-notch manner - similarly there are many who frequent the other forums who couldn't find their ass with both hands.

As with other forums, it's my opinion that the drifters' forum should have a specific umbrella topic - to whit "drifting" - and any posts not on this topic should be planted in the appropriate other forum: Cars In General, Videos and Photos and the like.
 
Originally posted by Famine
A "drifter" is not a separate entity to a "GT3 player", nor even an "Internet user".
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👍 Exactly, but why are they treated as someone who are so different so consistently? Just because of spelling and grammar?
That really makes no sense. :confused:
 
Don't ask me - I treat everyone the same. Except the idiots, obviously. :D
 
Originally posted by boombexus
👍 Exactly, but why are they treated as someone who are so different so consistently? Just because of spelling and grammar?
That really makes no sense. :confused:
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No, not just that. It's also their attitude toward any member who can communicate in a complete thought. It's their aversion toward any kind of organization or reason. It's their outright hostility toward inteligence of any kind.

You know Boom, maybe you're right. Maybe it is better that that they all stay out of the rest of "polite GTPlanet". I see your point from the previous page, even if I am surprised a moderator has come to their defense.

On principle, it seems "unfair" to me that these registered members are not required to contribute to the overall excelence of GTPlanet, or at least not degrade it. The fact that they have been given their own little mud pit to splash around in as a solution to the fact that people didn't like them around, or because they couldn't play by the rules, seems like a bad idea.

The fact of the matter is that "drifting" is quickly becoming more popular than regular racing in the gaming world and no GT site would miss out on that wave. It's totally understandible. So I suppose I retract my comments and instead say: Long live the drifters forum, keep them out of my face!

Unfortunately the drifters forum is rapidly growing and may some day be the main part of GTPlanet. That would be sad.
 
This sure is an interesting topic...this community never fails to fascinate me. :) What I've decided to do, is change the name of the forum from "Drifter's Only" to "GT3 Drifting". We'll leave it at that for a while and see what happens. I must admit, though, it will be difficult to stop a trend of off-topic posting in there (and that is the one thing that bugs me the most).
 

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