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[Timppaq]

Well I think we both understand our discussions are not in bad taste or with malice. Some may see my criticisims in the wrong manner but Id rather give you my own honest opinions for feedback to either ignore or to consider.

No offence taken. Any comments can only be for good 👍

I hope I dont upset you with the long winded replies and what maybe is seen by some as me whinging. Your right that some of my criticisims may not really be founded in general by others but just my own personal opinion. For me an excellent design for such a cockpit is one that achieves the goals you set for it but does it in fewer parts or a more simplistic way. One that allows the user to change what needs changed with ease of use and limited hassle.

I understand you questioning my comments regards the seat section and using more parts which in turn increases the weight and possible shipping. Yes I can see your point
However their is more to it than that. The parts you are using for the seat section could be quite expensive so Im asking okay can something more simplistic be done and even if it increased the weight slightly does it not allow you to save on price for components? You know the money/costs involved with these parts, I do not so I can only look at the design and speculate that the seat section and how your current design plans are perhaps could be improved in cost efficency?

It's true that I'm the only one having the info about the certain part costs. And I honestly can say that the parts you were referring to are not as expensive as one might think. But I need to do 10pcs sets, there goes the limit for general affordability. Going from 10sets to 100sets doesn't actually drop the price so much anymore.

But speaking of the seat section, there are few things to keep in mind when thinking of how to do it:

- it needs to fit all runner sizes. This means adjustability in cross and lognitudinal directions for the mounting holes (now handled with the long slots & the threaded bars)
- tiltable & adjustable height
- looks when in high position and in low position
- the lesser the parts the better (cost + weight)

This equation was actually very tricky for me to solve, so just asking if this all could be done even more simplistic isn't enough. I've thought about this a loooong time and this honestly was the best solution I came up with. In this regard my head is empty. So you need to tell me more specifically how I could simplify it and at the same time make it more user friendly, while still maintaining all of the above listed things (ok looks is hard to judge).

I have to say the Gamepod Im sitting in while typing this (use it as my PC chair) is one of the most simplistic designs on the market but one of the sturdiest. Yes it has some limitations too but the whole thing compromises of only 6 main parts. Simplistic well thought out design.

You asked what could be done to improve the height adjustability and the answer to that is two bits of metal that when released of tension allow simple sliding or repositioning and then when needed can be tightened to lock in a set position typically with a bolt/handle. Again Id say have a look at the method used on the Game Pod cockpits for the wheel tray, its a neat and simple solution and could be improved upon with also having wheel angle positioning as well.

I will say indeed I will jugde things quite hard but when it comes to perhaps giving you ideas or doing anything I can to help you improve this then I will offer you all the help you need.
At the same time Im not trying to come off as a smart ass or a know all but to do that I have to show solutions or back up the criticisims I make.

If you want or need photos of the GamePod part Im referring to it wont be a problem.

The design is good and made from few parts but it's because it uses much more complicated ways of manufacturing. There seems to be laser/watercutting & bending (+painting) on a same part and that alone will rise parts price due adding another work phase (to the metal pieces). At least this would be the case if I'd do something like that. There also seems to be welding. That alone is impossible for me to have. But it doesn't matter as I prefer not to have any welds for better modifiably afterwards.

Now the design I have is quite fast & cheap to manufacture, and the work that is done by somebody else than me is minimized. (plywoods are painted - that's a thing that needs to be thought out how to eventually do it - might do it myself). So it's also a question of circumstances. The same laws that goes to the big companys doesn't necessarily work the same way for me.

I tried to find a way to get sliding function for most of the adjustments.. (there is a sliding function on the pedal section) But couldn't find cost effective way to do it. But I'm still all ears if somebody has a nice solution. 👍

But as you & propably some others too find the screws too cumbersome as you need the tools and all..

I tried to find a halfway solution for this. And I think I found one:

Still using the normal bolts but will have an experiment adding these

So the normal hex bolt goes through the first one and the shape locks it on place. The second one will work as a tightening nut.

At least a little easier?




edit,

just found that the GamePOD can be purchased also without the seat:

A price to compare to? (if you want to do such thing...)

 

[Mr Latte]

Hi, I only referred to the Gamepod as a simple design and to look at how the wheel platform adjusted. I wasnt meaning for you to copy the whole design... Your current design I have no issues with for yourself but if the design you had now went to somewhere like SRT for review Im sure in the revew the factor or the bolts and adjustability although possible is a little more awkward than it could be. So the design is great its just finding a better, easier and faster way to allow the various heights to be made.

If you take the square tubing you have and the H design layout with the uprights thats all good. It is likely possible you can also get tubing that fits inside what you have. A decent metal supplier will have metal tubing components that are designed to work as such.

If you had the metal uprights and inside those a smaller tubing of metal slid within them which attached the wheel platform, a monitor stand or a seat. All that is then needed is a cut out slot to allow the vertical adjustment and a small bracket within the smaller internal piece that when a bolt is tightened then clamps the two metal parts together.

Its very simple really.
Such a method could do away for the need for additional side supports like your drawing uses with all the drilled holes, Are they wood or metal? Therefore it could also cut down on materials and weight. If you wanted some form of styling side panel this could be made and cut from plastic or a lightweight wood and painted. Difference is it no longer needs to be heavy duty or act as a support.

Im using the same idea of a cut out slot and a bolt/bracket to clamp and position parts on my cockpit but mainly for horizontal positioning than vertical.

 

[Mr Latte]

I think its best we move to PM

If you decide to make changes or try out new possibilities then update the thread with those. We are likely to just have piles of discussion here on things that will bore people to death. If you have financially committted to ordering multiple sets of parts this early then I guess you have to go with that.

What however I appreciate Tim is your own attitude as many people would take offence or see some points Im raising as being aggessive. Your attitude is superb to be honest. I dont mean to come across as such but can see how comments I make at times are taken as such.

I can tell you one thing like the old saying goes is that two heads are better than one and Id love to share ideas with you and likewise when I need the support I can perhaps rely on you with issues on my own project. Thats I suppose friends in forums do for each other as well.

 

[Timppaq]

A pic would be nice Really until that I can't comment much on the idea you described. What about the monitor height? what about the wheel angle? What about the rigidity? What about the looks? I really need more throughout description / plan.

The side panels are 6,5mm plywood and painted half-gloss black atm. They have many important meanings;

- looks (general styling, hiding some of the metals such as the wheel angle adjusters and shifter holder metal pieces)
- lognitudinal strenght
- act as a separate place to mount the screen tray (no room on the upright poles because of the wheel adjustment)

Also why would you separate the lognitudal support "feature" from the side panels if they are going to be there regardless? You'd need to handle the support in that direction somehow anyway.

I really don't think it's as simple really as you make it sound like.


edit, smilie added.. lol

I think its best we move to PM

If you decide to make changes or try out new possibilities then update the thread with those. We are likely to just have piles of discussion here on things that will bore people to death. If you have financially committted to ordering multiple sets of parts this early then I guess you have to go with that.

No this discussion is good to have here, and I get to explain all these things I've planned.. as nobody else seems to require any explanation why things are the way they are 👍

I can tell you one thing like the old saying goes is that two heads are better than one and Id love to share ideas with you and likewise when I need the support I can perhaps rely on you with issues on my own project.

Sure 👍

 

[Mr Latte]

Basically the idea you had for the pedals running via a slot and that can be positioned tightened is what you could apply to allow other vertical adjustments. The whole beauty of that is how simple and fast it is. Having a cockpit that allows the versatility in adjustments you want is a new thing but I think for those to be successful they shouldnt detract a user from applying them as to do them is awkward but encourage a user to buy the product because they can be done and importantly done so easily. My own thoughts are thats I suppose your unique selling point (USP).


Strength?
Okay well looking at the "GP" again what supports does it have?
The shelf itself is used to sturdy the uprights and give the longitude support their is nothing else.

What is missing on the "GP" is an option to angle the steering wheel.
Fine that could be incorporated onto the support shelf as a seperate shelf and if needed/wanted sold as an accessory.
Again I highlght keeping base price down for those that dont need it. The Fanatec Wheel Clamp is nothing but a glorified hinged flap that can be angled and tightened so something like that could be developed or again why not something similar to the pedal idea you had allow the angle to change. If you so wanted the design or components that you go with to allow the pedals to angle could also be used for the steering wheel, your employing the same idea and principles really?

 

[Timppaq]

If you so wanted the design or components that you go with to allow the pedals to angle could also be used for the steering wheel, your employing the same idea and principles really?

Uh, wut? Yes, the same idea is already used in the steering wheel angle adjustment, only without the teeths to make the angle adjustment easier (just loosen the lower screw). 👍

 

[nick09]

I wonder if you could just make a separate model with only the pedal, shifter holder, and steering wheel stand. You know, eliminate the seat and monitor stand. You actually could just make those parts interchangeable. You know to charge for another part of the stand.

 

[Timppaq]

👍 It's possible. The only problem with starting to chop the package is the part purchasing. Need to figure out the "subassemblies" that would be separated. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Timppaq]

Also what I could possibly do is a simplified, fugly hc version that has no side panels at all (=so no screen support), just add same kind of metal supports as the seat poles have on the upright wheel poles. Will not be as pretty but I believe it could be sold quite cheap (and shipped too) This could be even without the wheel plywood, if you want to make your own. That's possible for anybody.

Anyone interested of this kind of setup?

basically just these parts (with the parts needed for the seat & the pedals.. I'll update this pic later on)



Notice that these parts are done following the earlier design, so these don't have the latest modifications yet.


edit,

It might become quite complicated to order seperate amounts of everything so I need to think about this a little more still.

 

[nick09]

I like that but I would rather have the plywood included and if parts can be removed I'd like to get rid of the portion for the seat(including the frame). If you don't understand I already marked up your picture to show you what I mean:

I don't need the seat part because I simply don't have the room for it.

 

[Mr Latte]

Uh, wut? Yes, the same idea is already used in the steering wheel angle adjustment, only without the teeths to make the angle adjustment easier (just loosen the lower screw). 👍

They look completely different to me...
Your not getting the point I was making. Im trying to get you to look at cutting out the number of components. For the wheel tray you have those big shoulder style metal parts. The same frame tubing is used on the uprights as on the base section, right okay?

So why not design a single part that could be used for both the wheel tray and the pedal tray that attaches to the main frame. This way its one component that needs designed/manufactured. Yes it may require different mounting holes etc but you will agree will you not that the pedal tray and wheel tray are required to do the same actions just in different places, yes or no?

For the pedal section your design has these rods/bolts that can be adjusted in width for different pedals etc. Why are these needed if you considered a pedal shelf to work in the same manner as your wheel tray shelf. A single board or metal plate (like the playseat ones) attached is all that is needed and can be pre drilled for mounting pedals but can pivot in varying angle the same as your wheel tray.

The rods you use currently for the pedals could possibly bend a little after continued usage and looking at the design the pedals are only supported by rods at the bottom and middle and not at the top where the majority of force placed on the pedals would happen.

Now consider a user that has both G25 and Fanatec pedals how quickly could a person remove and attach a different set of pedals on your rig? They would need to flaff about with adjusting the rods and tightening them in position. With a shelf pre drilled all a user would have to do is remove four bolts (those ones with handles/knobs you showed would be nice) and place the other pedals in position to then just tighten the four bolts again. A more simple solution, possibly stronger and quicker to change pedals if a user needed or wanted too.

Consider what Im saying and do a drawing going along with what Im talking about.

 

[Timppaq]

I like that but I would rather have the plywood included and if parts can be removed I'd like to get rid of the portion for the seat(including the frame). If you don't understand I already marked up your picture to show you what I mean:

I don't need the seat part because I simply don't have the room for it.

Ah, ok now I understand, but where will you sit if there's no space there? hehe, just kidding..

You realize if I cut those parts away the left bit will weight around 5-6kg's? Then you'd for sure need a solution to tie it down to the ground.

Maybe if I leave the long bars (970mm long, so not that much actually?? ) and you can patent something so your weight when sitting will rest on those bars? I think that is needed for the rig to be stable enough. How does this sound?

They look completely different to me...
Your not getting the point I was making. Im trying to get you to look at cutting out the number of components. For the wheel tray you have those big shoulder style metal parts. The same frame tubing is used on the uprights as on the base section, right okay?

So why not design a single part that could be used for both the wheel tray and the pedal tray that attaches to the main frame. This way its one component that needs designed/manufactured. Yes it may require different mounting holes etc but you will agree will you not that the pedal tray and wheel tray are required to do the same actions just in different places, yes or no?

Ok, Now I get what you mean. I promise I'll think about it with fresh brains. Now I think it's beer time.. it's a nice day and all

👍

For the pedal section your design has these rods/bolts that can be adjusted in width for different pedals etc. Why are these needed if you considered a pedal shelf to work in the same manner as your wheel tray shelf. A single board or metal plate (like the playseat ones) attached is all that is needed and can be pre drilled for mounting pedals but can pivot in varying angle the same as your wheel tray.

You might have noticed I had the board there under the pedals. But so far it's looking like the plywoods (especially if painted at the factory) will be the biggest chunk of the bill so I try to manage with as little ply's as possible. Also I think the current design is more free to be modified if there is different pedals coming on the market later. But there is of course many ways to think about this. So I'd like to hear opinions from others as well what would be preferred. Now's the time to make the difference 👍

I also think that the look is now more light and more eye pleasing, but as always the beauty is in the bulls eye, or what was the saying...

The rods you use currently for the pedals could possibly bend a little after continued usage and looking at the design the pedals are only supported by rods at the bottom and middle and not at the top where the majority of force placed on the pedals would happen.

I knew this would be noticed.

The seat bars are now M12 and the pedal bars are M10. If you have take two D=10mm threaded bars (Lenght 518mm) and try to bend those. They are stiffer that you might think being so short. I'm 99% sure they won't give in at all given the force that is needed to use the pedals. (the two M12 bars won't bend at all when my whole weight is on them, I've tested this - about 84kg)

Now consider a user that has both G25 and Fanatec pedals how quickly could a person remove and attach a different set of pedals on your rig? They would need to flaff about with adjusting the rods and tightening them in position. With a shelf pre drilled all a user would have to do is remove four bolts (those ones with handles/knobs you showed would be nice) and place the other pedals in position to then just tighten the four bolts again. A more simple solution, possibly stronger and quicker to change pedals if a user needed or wanted too.

Consider what Im saying and do a drawing going along with what Im talking about.

Yes, that is true. Changing to other pedal set will not be very easy this way. But you win some and lose some. But nothing really stops you from bolting a board to the little bars there.. these boards could be different for each pedal set.


Thanks for the votes all, and don't let our lenghty discussion with Latte disturb you. Would love to hear more comments from different people.

 

[nick09]

I would just slide the la-z-boy recliner over the bars and it's fine. I also do have a 30 pound computer case laying around so that could cover it.

 

[Mr Latte]

Okay enjoy the beers.

One other thing, the pedal platform could a design be considered that could also support pedal inversion?
Something to think about as many might want it.

Im going to ease off on ideas and give others a chance. In the mean time count how many parts with bolts, nuts, rods etc you are using in the pedal section for something that could be a simple as your wheel tray already is.

 

[Timppaq]

Okay enjoy the beers.

I will

One other thing, the pedal platform could a design be considered that could also support pedal inversion?
Something to think about as many might want it.

Im going to ease off on ideas and give others a chance. In the mean time count how many parts with bolts, nuts, rods etc you are using in the pedal section for something that could be a simple as your wheel tray already is.

The reason for the angle range on the pedal adjustment plates being so high is to make possible inverted pedals. Just flip the metal plates (basically the whole pedal set) around and you'll have a setup to mount inverted pedals.

edit; here's an old pic but you'll get the point

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk341/Timppaq/GTrr - previews/ScreenHunter_01May111131.jpg


I will count the bolts if you want

 

[stega]

I will



The reason for the angle range on the pedal adjustment plates being so high is to make possible inverted pedals. Just flip the metal plates (basically the whole pedal set) around and you'll have a setup to mount inverted pedals.

edit; here's an old pic but you'll get the point

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk341/Timppaq/GTrr - previews/ScreenHunter_01May111131.jpg


I will count the bolts if you want

This pedal flipping feature is actually my favorite out of all your cockpit has to offer.

 

[Timppaq]

This pedal flipping feature is actually my favorite out of all your cockpit has to offer.

Thanks! I might do it myself too at some point

edit,

I would just slide the la-z-boy recliner over the bars and it's fine. I also do have a 30 pound computer case laying around so that could cover it.

Sounds good. Just to make you aware of the fact 👍

 

[nick09]

Just give me a PM once you plan on selling the wheelstand. I will be keeping my eyes on this topic.👍

 

[Timppaq]

Oh wow, sounds good.

But I can state here that from where I am now it will still take time to get to the shipping out phase. Many things to do and to solve before that. But evenentually it will happen 👍

 

[Mr Latte]

I will



The reason for the angle range on the pedal adjustment plates being so high is to make possible inverted pedals. Just flip the metal plates (basically the whole pedal set) around and you'll have a setup to mount inverted pedals.

edit; here's an old pic but you'll get the point

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk341/Timppaq/GTrr - previews/ScreenHunter_01May111131.jpg


I will count the bolts if you want

Well you ask for ideas and now when things are mentioned you dont seem to want to take them seriously, mmm.
Its all great when its on a drawing, you may find in reality when testing you have to make some small changes. The pedal section alone in doing just that from standard fixing to inverted and then tested at all the various heights is a big job in itself but you seem to be confident in your designs so the only way to know is get it built and test it.

At this point Im best to leave you to it and will let people judge me based on my own cockpit, and Im fine with being judged on what I do or do not accomplish. To be honest Im my own worst critic and treat my own build the same way as I look at others.

My approach is maybe different to others because if I was building a rig to possibly sell as well I wouldnt of built one or even talk about selling it without having the first beta built. Instead I would build likely 2-3 designs and get new ideas or see what needs improved from each different design before coming to a final build. Here youve started with a design nothing built nothing tested and seem to of pressumed it will all be fine and already talking of sales and prices.

In general my advice if looking at a product to sell would be to consider having quicker/easier adjustability and reduce the fiddly side of things with the rods with nuts/bolts. Your design ideas are good but more complicated or contain more bits than they have to be. Best thing is maybe get on with it and evaluate what you have to determine if indeed changes should be implemented.

Keep at it....
Time I got back onto my own, that way I can criticise my own work till the cows come home...

 

[Timppaq]

Well you ask for ideas and now when things are mentioned you dont seem to want to take them seriously, mmm.
Its all great when its on a drawing, you may find in reality when testing you have to make some small changes. The pedal section alone in doing just that from standard fixing to inverted and then tested at all the various heights is a big job in itself but you seem to be confident in your designs so the only way to know is get it built and test it.

Again, wut? I have taken all there is to take from your input and already said that the good ideas you gave me I would think with fresh brains. Now you're telling me I don't take ideas from others, seriously?? I just don't get it tbh.

As you've seen I've made a lot of (maybe) small changes in result of testing the parts I have now. What else can I do?

The pedal section will be tested, but why in the earth would I put the thread here if not wanting to get influenced by other people? That's the main point of this thread. Everything is still cheap to change, and as you know.. the further I carry this project, the more expensive will the changes become, to me. And really the money doesn't grow on trees for me. It's not really cheap to build a proto, as I have done already. And I've shown it here. But you must realize that it's not a 45mins job to change the desing and try things out even in the 3d model. Didn't I already say that I would think about the things you mentioned earlier, and try to include those things possibly to the next revision? You got to give me time..

I've already put far over 200+ hours just thinking & designing this thing. I think that's quite a lot. But it's all good, I want to get this right before the final version is revealed.

I just can't test the pedal section, for example, before I have the parts, can I?

And yes, the only way is to build and test it. And am I not doing just that right now? You seem to think that this is a ready product which it is not. Have I not considered all you've said seriously. The time is here now 23:34 on a Friday evening so sorry if I didn't do it right away.

My approach is maybe different to others because if I was building a rig to possibly sell as well I wouldnt of built one or even talk about selling it without having the first beta built. Instead I would build likely 2-3 designs and get new ideas or see what needs improved from each different design before coming to a final build. Here youve started with a design nothing built nothing tested and seem to of pressumed it will all be fine and already talking of sales and prices.

lol, wut. It seems that you're the more eager one to talk about the price than I am. I've just mentioned some parts that are more influencing to the total toll, as YOU've asked for it.

So I see we see things differently. I want to give people the chance to influence & make a difference and you'd like to do it all on your own and have the finished product ready before even mentioning it publicly. That's fine by me, but I just like to get ideas from others. We have a great & big community here and why not hear the things people has to say? BEFORE having the finished "product".

Why didn't you build your cockpit full & ready before you posted it here if that is how you think about things?

And why would I presume something to be wrong before I notice it to be wrong? Everything I've noticed so far (to be wrong), I've corrected (or at least tried) - as good as I'm able to.

In general my advice if looking at a product to sell would be to consider having quicker/easier adjustability and reduce the fiddly side of things with the rods with nuts/bolts. Your design ideas are good but more complicated or contain more bits than they have to be. Best thing is maybe get on with it and evaluate what you have to determine if indeed changes should be implemented.

Keep at it....
Time I got back onto my own

So you're now into the adjustability? But you just want it easier? Didn't you mention before, why to have all the adjustability? Are all the rods and the bolts so big deal to you? What is so hard in unscrewing a bolt and thightening it again?

So I tell you, you say now how I make all the adjustability cheaper than it is now and I'll make it just the way you tell me to (keeping the considerably clean look etc.). But before giving me advise, do the math & the research before telling me it can be done cheaper. And easier. Wasn't it you who told me that the final end price is the thing that matters to the "customer"?

And try to remember that I live in Finland, so the costs doing things a certain way might be different than you doing it where you live.

 

[Rudi Raser]

great work Timo.

nothing more to say.

 

[Timppaq]

great work Timo.

nothing more to say.

Wow, my old rival is here!! Thanks for tha clap And see you in the next RPC


edit,

Mr.Latte sorry if I seem too defensive, but sometimes you just don't make full sense to me.

 

[Mr Latte]

Timo theirs no fight between us its just discussion.
LOL sometimes I dont make sense to myself never mind anyone else.

Personally I think its a bad idea for you to get involved in sales of this.
PM sent and it covers a lot of things on my mind involving the pitfalls and if its really a good idea to attempt to sell or to concentrate more on your own requirements and enjoy this rather than it become something you could regret of have problems over.

Regards my own, thats the difference Im not building it for anyone other than myself and if it has flaws or faults then I wont get canned or bad mouthed here as Im not selling it.
Although I might rent it

I see the hate posts and treatment Thomas gets on these forums at times and thats enough to put me off any idea's of ever offering something with parts that can go faulty for sale, no way, no thanks.
Your welcome to going ahead with your plans and experiencing that if you want too.

 

[Timppaq]

Timo theirs no fight between us its just discussion.
LOL sometimes I dont make sense to myself never mind anyone else.

Personally I think its a bad idea for you to get involved in sales of this.
PM sent and it covers a lot of things on my mind involving the pitfalls and if its really a good idea to attempt to sell or to concentrate more on your own requirements and enjoy this rather than it become something you could regret of have problems over.

I appreciate the concern 👍 I'll try to handle it, I promise.

edit2,

Regards my own, thats the difference Im not building it for anyone other than myself and if it has flaws or faults then I wont get canned or bad mouthed here as Im not selling it.

Exactly. That's why I want to have the influence from others..... ..and as you're building just for yourself, you shouldn't need it.

edit,

I'll answer the PM later.. need to get sleeping

 

[Synwraith]

As I said in the beginning, this is to cater my needs ( ) and everything else is a bonus. So, basically I'm doing the kind of rig that I'd want to have. I know I'm not far off if I manage to do that.

I would think this statement of Timo's makes things rather clear.

Im going to ease off on ideas and give others a chance.

At this point Im best to leave you to it.

It might be a good idea to do just that now 👍

Fantastic work Timo, absolutely brilliant. I would imagine anyone who wants to buy one of your rigs does so with the full knowledge that you built this mostly to your own preferred specifications and the possibility of a few sales was a bonus. That's been my impression of your project since the beginning and I would accept the risks in buying from you, plus accept that it was my own decision to take such a risk when it came to expecting replacement parts by a certain date etc.

All the best
Maz

 

[Mr Latte]

It might be a good idea to do just that now 👍

Tell me did I prefer to take his/my discussion to PM and he said not to....

By all means express your ideas to help him then.

Maybe then as a friend you should actually give more feedback and help yourself.
Like I said I know Ive got too engrossed in it but because so few others seem to be willing to help much. My own input that stems from wanting to help oh yes and be a stubborn pain in the ass to have fun as well.

He gives good answers to the points I raise and gives good reason why the design etc will be okay, but testing him and questioning things then gives him reason to rethink and decide if the point raised should be tackled or ignored.

Ive prasied his work quite a lot on this and dont expect him to take just my views on changes or things as a person Id do different. Maybe instead of just saying great job, which it is so far indeed people like yourself that want to come in and tell me off should then get more involved as he has been ASKING several times for discussion and feedback on it. Saying its great is of course a good thing but

I appreciate the concern 👍 I'll try to handle it, I promise.

Exactly. That's why I want to have the influence from others

 

[Synwraith]

By all means express your ideas to help him then.

I have 👍

Maybe then as a friend you should actually give more feedback and help yourself.
Like I said I know Ive got too engrossed in it but because so few others seem to be willing to help much.

As you say, Timo is a friend, and I communicate with him elsewhere not just on GTP. I've given him feedback and my ideas, but as you quote....

That's why I want to have the influence from others.....

Timo has had my input elsewhere, I did not post it all here because he's already heard it and I don't need to air my views for show, and secondly this thread is for those who were unaware of what Timo was planning and have not yet had an opportunity to express an opinion to him.

I'm absolutely certain Timo has valued your input greatly.

All the best
Maz

 

[Timppaq]

Thanks for the pm input Maz, and thanks for the compliments too.


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Got an e-mail today and the examples of the screw hand grips are on the way in the mail.

Might affect the cleanyness of the looks a little (especially if put on the outside of the main poles), so need to be seen how it'll end up. Don't know the price yet actually, need to ask that too.

edit,

pics without the screen stand & the pedal set inverted. Added 3rd aluminium bar there so you can attach all the pedals independetly (like chilicoke has done in the 1st pic). You can also keep the pedals in their case but then you'll need to of course swap the throttle & clutch.

Also pic of the footprint to give better idea of the size.

 

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