Had my first drive with a wheel........wow

[NevilleNobody]

That's OK, I think i know where Biggles was coming from.

i suspect there is nothing wrong with the wheel, i just need to adapt. It is a very basic set up though but i refuse to spend up until i am comfortable. Cost of rig is a nonissue, i can buy a better rig if desired but year, never blame the tools.

 

[Winnie847]

That's OK, I think i know where Biggles was coming from.

i suspect there is nothing wrong with the wheel, i just need to adapt. It is a very basic set up though but i refuse to spend up until i am comfortable. Cost of rig is a nonissue, i can buy a better rig if desired but year, never blame the tools.

I'm not convinced it's not a hardware issue, but I really don't know anything about the T150. I've heard that the G29 does have a small dead zone but can't recall hearing that same thing about your wheel. If price isn't an issue, I would suggest going with a T300 or something better like a TGT or the new DD Pro. Even if the deadzone is a normal thing with that wheel, it sounds like a terrible experience.

On the other hand, once you turn your wheel beyond the dead zone area and experience massive oversteer, it could just be that your inputs are too great because you're overcompensating for the dead zone. One of the easiest mistakes to make for wheel users is to apply too much steering input. I still struggle with this and have to remind myself constantly to not over-do it. Full steering lock on my T300 is 90 degrees yet I'm always turning it more than that through slow, tight corners, hairpins etc. because I'm a pleb like that.

 

[NevilleNobody]

90?? One of my issues is the default lock is ENORMOUS, like 270 degrees or something, it's ridiculous trying to change direction. I can change it but it's a serious pain in the rear end to do it.

 

[Biggles]

Believe it or not, some people play the game for fun and aren't as concerned as you about realism. Neville is asking for help and we are all discussing troubleshooting his potential mechanical and technical issues...and you're going on and on about realism and which view he's choosing to use. Read the room.

edit: and for the record, I'm a wheel user and use chase cam as well. I'm not slow and I can also vouch for @Chevy Heavy he's a fast boi.

You can certainly have fun with a controller the same as you can have fun with a wheel. Before I got a wheel (more than 20 years ago) I played with a controller in 3rd person view. It was fun. I was not all that fast, however. When I got a wheel (a G25) I found it very difficult & "unnatural" to drive the car from 20 feet behind the back of the car. I switched to first person view & everything fell into place. It was (more or less) like driving a real car.

No problem, if you choose to drive with a wheel in 3rd person view - it's your choice - but I imagine this is not a very common choice. Short of a technical problem, I am strongly recommending Neville spend some time adjusting to first person view. If he's been fast with a controller in 3rd person, it make take a while to match his previous speeds with a wheel & first person ... but it's worth it, because driving with a wheel is fun & the increased realism is a big part of what makes it fun.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I am fastish, hover between 35K and 40K DR. Not really looking to go faster tbh, just to match what i am doing.

Secretly, my issue is RSI, I get massive hand cramp at a few tracks, Interlagos is especially bad, just terrible. That's my left hand, but generally i am getting pain in my right hand. That's why i want to switch.

 

[O604]

I may sound too beginner. But I recommend Driving School. And focusing on 1 or 2 of the lessons. Repetition sinks in eventually. I find it quicker to break it down 1 or 2 turns .

Once you get a general feel for it , it becomes pretty natural.

 

[Chevy Heavy]

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I may sound too beginner. But I recommend Driving School. And focusing on 1 or 2 of the lessons. Repetition sinks in eventually. I find it quicker to break it down 1 or 2 turns .

Once you get a general feel for it , it becomes pretty natural.

I agree with this. And also go to Circuit Experience and practice your favorite sections of tracks. Once you're comfortable with the feel of the wheel move on to more difficult sections. Repetition should help make the transition smoother.

 

[Mudda Chod]

He's wrong about that. Controller sensitivity setting does not have any affect on the wheel. As it states...it's for the controller.

Believe it or not, some people play the game for fun and aren't as concerned as you about realism. Neville is asking for help and we are all discussing troubleshooting his potential mechanical and technical issues...and you're going on and on about realism and which view he's choosing to use. Read the room.

edit: and for the record, I'm a wheel user and use chase cam as well. I'm not slow and I can also vouch for @Chevy Heavy he's a fast boi.

Wow, you are fast for a chase cam user... I guess you have learned to master it, and also you must glance behind (at strategic moments) like the roof cam users do, since it doesn't have a rear mirror, and the radar field is not sufficient

 

[Mudda Chod]

90?? One of my issues is the default lock is ENORMOUS, like 270 degrees or something, it's ridiculous trying to change direction. I can change it but it's a serious pain in the rear end to do it.

I've tested & used both Thrustmaster and G29, and whilst they certainly have a different feeling, there's not much difference in overall lap times once you get familiar with both. Steering lock cannot be changed on either because GTS sets the steering lock for each car and neither wheel has internal calibration that can override it (only Fanatec has).

 

[Winnie847]

Wow, you are fast for a chase cam user... I guess you have learned to master it, and also you must glance behind (at strategic moments) like the roof cam users do, since it doesn't have a rear mirror, and the radar field is not sufficient

Thanks. There are actually a few world tour level drivers who use chase cam too…not many but a few. At least one world tour driver uses single-foot throttle and braking as well, so all of these things that some people claim you must do to be fast are usually just personal preferences and don’t dictate speed. However, so far we’ve seen zero cockpit users in world tours and I’m not 100% sure but I think nobody uses cockpit in FIA top split either.

And yeah, I use lookback all the time, way too often. I rely on my radar a lot but I do have a bad habit of looking back even when I don’t need to.

 

[Mudda Chod]

And yeah, I use lookback all the time, way too often. I rely on my radar a lot but I do have a bad habit of looking back even when I don’t need to.

Better to look too often, than too little, and good habits lead to good race results.

I saw Wong Baguette using chase cam in one Final.... He didn't do well tho :-/

 

[Winnie847]

90?? One of my issues is the default lock is ENORMOUS, like 270 degrees or something, it's ridiculous trying to change direction. I can change it but it's a serious pain in the rear end to do it.

I think it’s 90? I’m not sure if I’m using the correct terminology when I say steering lock, I only started learning all of this stuff a few short years ago when I got GTS.

Pretty sure the T300 advertises 1080 degrees of rotation. But in-game, without changing any settings except torque & FFB sensitivity, when I turn the wheel 90 degrees the little red steering dot on the HUD is all the way to its limit.

 

[xMAXIx79]

Yes, I also like to give the advice about the driving school and the stretching experience to players who are just getting used to their first steering wheel, or to a new steering wheel or new pedals.

This really helps to learn to "drive".

@NevilleNobody

But I think here is the general "problem" with the T150. It sounds pejorative now, but it's not meant to be. The T150 is too weak to bring even more fine impulses, especially in curves where FFB is already present. You can try to reduce the strength of the FFB, so that motor power is canceled out, but whether you then notice enough or whether the T150 can "display" these subtleties at all is not guaranteed.

The T300 or the T248 are much stronger and cost far less than a T-GT2 or a Fanatec DD Pro.

I only recently switched from the T150 to the T248 and the T248 can "show" you a lot more than the T150.

But maybe you can try something completely different.

Why don't you try to use a different view when you drive with the steering wheel than with the gamepad. This may change your braking points and you can then work on them to get the best for you.

 

[s0cks]

He's wrong about that. Controller sensitivity setting does not have any affect on the wheel. As it states...it's for the controller.

Looks like your right. Weird though cus I could swear on my test laps that it felt better with it cranked up. Either I'm feeling a placebo (highly likely) or the manual is wrong. I've definitely read in a lot of places that it makes a difference, but perhaps everyone else is mistaken also.

 

[Mudda Chod]

Looks like your right. Weird though cus I could swear on my test laps that it felt better with it cranked up. Either I'm feeling a placebo (highly likely) or the manual is wrong. I've definitely read in a lot of places that it makes a difference, but perhaps everyone else is mistaken also.

I've never heard it... I've always heard that "controller sensitivity" has no effect on the wheel.... "FFB sensitivity" and "FFB force" seems to be the chosen terminology by PD, for the wheel settings

 

[s0cks]

Oh for sure. I got my first wheel last weekend so I scoured the web for settings advice. Definitely a lot of people said to crank it up. But you know, there is a lot of misinformation out there. All good. I guess he could try it, no harm in trying. But yes, I would assume you are right that it probably doesn't have any effect.

 

[HugoTwoWheels]

Whenever I try a wheel I'm all over the road as well. So weird since when I buy a new car, no problem staying on the road lol. Not sure what makes it so different in a video game. Driving 50kph in a video game with a wheel is 10x harder than in a real car.

Of course driving 50kph in a video game feels like walking rather than driving... Now they've installed roundabouts here, taking those at 50kph is super fun . I don't see no speed limits posted for roundabouts, no need to slow down...

Oh interesting, it is different here than what I learned in Europe:
Do not change lanes in the roundabout (every lane has an opportunity to exit).
I learned to enter in the left lane for 3 quarter turns and merge right to exit in the right lane.

You're using bad FFB settings.

When people who couldn't care less about cars or games, but drive IRL cars, try my Fanatec DD, they have no issues driving difficult MR cars like 911 95- or Lamborghini GT3 without any assists.

It should feel intuitive and simple. That's good. And then you can also start practicing to go faster and faster - being really quick is always difficult.

 

[CBH]

@NevilleNobody if your comfortable using Chase Cam stick with it, don't listen to the others that talk about changing driving views will help you. As @Chevy Heavy said use Circuit Experience for practise, and you can compare section or lap times with your friends on you friends list.
I be happy to be on your friends list because I use AT and Chase Cam , another area to look at improving your skills are the online Time Trials. When you compete in online Time Trials they will tell you where you are going wrong with your lap, see I specialise in online Time Trials and they have made me a lot better driver, and if it was not for them Trials I would not be as fast.

 

[PirovacBoy]

I think nobody uses cockpit in FIA top split either.

I wouldn’t call myself a top split driver maybe 4th or 5th Split but I always use Cockpit Cam. To add to that, I drive with HUD turned off completely.
That way i‘m not even able to mess with the Brake Balance or Fuel Mappings, and I always drive the Ferrari 458 Gr3.
What I want to say, I think it’s just a matter of adapting.
There’s no use this or that, just drive what you feel most comfortable with and the way you enjoy it the most @NevilleNobody

 

[ILLEAGLE_34]

Experiment with the sensitivity settings.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Gave it another lash last night, video below. Not much to learn, i generally hit my marks (ran a touch wide here and there) but the lap is a 32.7, my qualy time was a 31.2 and i had a ton of laps under 31.5. I am very, very tentative, you can see it in sector 1.

One interesting issue is the TC, on TC2 it is FAR more invasive than with the controller, power is seriously cut through T1/2 and the second last corner., losing shed tons of time. When i switch to TC1, as you can see by the posted video, I am so, so tentative on the gas that i am losing time anyways.

Overall though, same issues remain using bonnet cam and playing with steering lock, I have no confidence on the brakes and when I turn in i can't tell if i am going in too hot or too shallow, i find out mid corner. The lack of consistency (see times to the right of the video) is a bigger concern than the lack of pace.

 

[Mudda Chod]

It's difficult to know if you're too hot on T1 at Interlagos, because it's blind.

Maybe try Dragontrail, at least you can see every corner, and there's plenty of markers for judging distance.

I would recommend RSS tyres and Gr4 Viper or Gr3 Corvette which are both very stable under acceleration, and set TC to zero... Repeat laps until the pedal muscle memories start to build... Then change tyres to RS and repeat.... That way you can learn iteratively.

 

[O604]

Gave it another lash last night, video below. Not much to learn, i generally hit my marks (ran a touch wide here and there) but the lap is a 32.7, my qualy time was a 31.2 and i had a ton of laps under 31.5. I am very, very tentative, you can see it in sector 1.

One interesting issue is the TC, on TC2 it is FAR more invasive than with the controller, power is seriously cut through T1/2 and the second last corner., losing shed tons of time. When i switch to TC1, as you can see by the posted video, I am so, so tentative on the gas that i am losing time anyways.

Overall though, same issues remain using bonnet cam and playing with steering lock, I have no confidence on the brakes and when I turn in i can't tell if i am going in too hot or too shallow, i find out mid corner. The lack of consistency (see times to the right of the video) is a bigger concern than the lack of pace.

Not only you. I think this is pretty common. You're lifting too late. Braking too hard. Not coasting enough. I did the same for a while. A habit I picked up chasing ghosts.

Try going slower. I know that sounds counter intuitive but I felt it a lot more in bigger cars, like the GR Crown and from there was able to feel other cars better. Won't notice it as much in lighter cars.

I think if compare your controller inputs to wheel inputs you'd see it. I think maybe coasting on a controller and wheel feels different, it feels like you're losing more time off the gas than on a controller. I think there's a subconscious, split second delay when going from button to button on the controller, while with a pedal it can be faster, even overlap.

 

[kilesa4568]

Gave it another lash last night, video below. Not much to learn, i generally hit my marks (ran a touch wide here and there) but the lap is a 32.7, my qualy time was a 31.2 and i had a ton of laps under 31.5. I am very, very tentative, you can see it in sector 1.

You're just lacking the confidence you've got in the pad so you really shouldn't be beating yourself up over your wheel time.

One interesting issue is the TC, on TC2 it is FAR more invasive than with the controller, power is seriously cut through T1/2 and the second last corner., losing shed tons of time. When i switch to TC1, as you can see by the posted video, I am so, so tentative on the gas that i am losing time anyways.

It sounds like you're ready to turn TC off. If you're trying to limit the TC kicking in on the pedals, having the freedom of it not being there should help you acclimatize quicker. From what I could see in the video, your throttle control is a lot better than you think it is and while braking is a little bit on/off without much modulation, if your right foot can do it, I'm sure the left foot can do it too. Good technique starts with the pedals, anyway.

If you were to stick with just using your wheel, I reckon you'll be able to match your pad time in just a few weeks. Smooth out your braking and you'll likely beat it.

You just need to keep practicing to build up your confidence. ...And put the pad in the drawer. Out of sight, out of mind.

 

[xMAXIx79]

Gave it another lash last night, video below. Not much to learn, i generally hit my marks (ran a touch wide here and there) but the lap is a 32.7, my qualy time was a 31.2 and i had a ton of laps under 31.5. I am very, very tentative, you can see it in sector 1.

One interesting issue is the TC, on TC2 it is FAR more invasive than with the controller, power is seriously cut through T1/2 and the second last corner., losing shed tons of time. When i switch to TC1, as you can see by the posted video, I am so, so tentative on the gas that i am losing time anyways.

Overall though, same issues remain using bonnet cam and playing with steering lock, I have no confidence on the brakes and when I turn in i can't tell if i am going in too hot or too shallow, i find out mid corner. The lack of consistency (see times to the right of the video) is a bigger concern than the lack of pace.

The others have already given good tips on your current video. What I also noticed.... You should and in my opinion you are ready to drive without a TC, at least with this combination of track/vehicle/tyres, if something changes, just relearn.

Your gas foot makes a great impression, you are currently wasting time because you are accelerating very precisely, but the TC regulates, although the slip on the wheels is not so great that there is a danger. (Of course there can be bad corners, e.g. slow curves or used curbs that are not suitable for this, but you will notice that and learn from it)

Then the second point, which has already been said, you are too hard on the brakes for too long. As a result, you have too much weight on the tires and if you turn in too early, they overheat and the grip is suddenly lost.
I would recommend braking a little earlier, but then quickly reducing the braking force a little, NOT completely releasing it. If you practice this, you won't "overrun" your tires as much.

 

[Veinz]

Why doesn’t anyone use the driving tests to learn the wheel? That is the best thing in the game for this.

 

[s0cks]

I'm far from expert, but what I noticed is you're also not using the whole track width. In a few places you miss the apex and in a number of turn exits you're slow enough that you don't need to use the outer curb on exit - which means you could potentially be going faster. I'm guessing this is you not being used to wheel though, and I'm probably as bad though, I have a lot to practice.

 

[xMAXIx79]

Why doesn’t anyone use the driving tests to learn the wheel? That is the best thing in the game for this.

I think he did, but at this Level he Drive, he own all Driving Tests easy with Gold. Ok he can try to beat the best ones on this... but its very hard. Most of that times are make from Aliens

 

[BawesomeBurf]

The OP had the same experience I did the first and only time I tried using a wheel way back on PS2. There was a huge deadzone. I thought the wheel was busted, so I just tossed it in the closet and never used it again. Would like to give one a try again soon.

 

[CBH]

Gave it another lash last night, video below. Not much to learn, i generally hit my marks (ran a touch wide here and there) but the lap is a 32.7, my qualy time was a 31.2 and i had a ton of laps under 31.5. I am very, very tentative, you can see it in sector 1.

One interesting issue is the TC, on TC2 it is FAR more invasive than with the controller, power is seriously cut through T1/2 and the second last corner., losing shed tons of time. When i switch to TC1, as you can see by the posted video, I am so, so tentative on the gas that i am losing time anyways.

Overall though, same issues remain using bonnet cam and playing with steering lock, I have no confidence on the brakes and when I turn in i can't tell if i am going in too hot or too shallow, i find out mid corner. The lack of consistency (see times to the right of the video) is a bigger concern than the lack of pace.

You just have to get your confidence back instead of being hesitant toward things like braking, and stick to the wheel and don't use Traction Control unless your doing standing starts. In your video you are to much on the brake going into the corners. learn about Trail Braking that will help you to be more consistent with your lap times.