Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

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I can't believe they didn't delve into the Dept. of Mysteries a bit more.

I would have liked a better explanation of what was behind the locked door. =/

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I got kinda choked up when Dobby died. :(
 
Please put all spoilers in the
tags, kids. That's what they're there for.

As far as I understand, the reason why Harry is the..

..master of the Elder Wand, is pretty much what Event said. Malfoy beat Dumbledore in battle, therefore becoming the new master. You don't necessarily have to kill to become the master of it. Because Dumbledore told Snape to kill him, that doesn't count. However the rights had already passed over to Malfoy. Then, as Event said, Harry stole Malfoy's wand and became the new master.

That help a little bit more?
 
What's interesting about all that, is:

Harry did, in fact, unite the three Hallows. He owned the Invisibility Cloak. He posessed the Resurrection Stone for a short time. And he was the rightful master of the Elder Wand, regardless of whether he physically posessed it. That probably contributed to his surviving Avada Kadavra for the second time in his life. And his mastery of the wand was precisely what killed Voldemort in the end.
 
The only thing I didn't like about the Elder Wand subplot was that it was dumped on us in the middle of the final book. Every other plot point, be it related to a lone book or multiple ones - such as polyjuice potion, portkeys, the pensieve, etc - was foreshadowed or introduced in some way, shape or form. There was no mention of the Deathly Hallows, the Three Brothers or the three objects in any book. Sure, Harry had the Cloak, but it was never expanded on or implied to be more than simply an Invisibility Cloak, and yes, the Resurrection Stone was in The Half-Blood Prince, but as far as we knew it was just a horcrux. There was so much potential for foreshadowing of the single most important plot point to the series and it was wasted. Be it the symbol appearing on a book in the library (like when Harry went to the Restricted Section in his first year), or the ghost professor mentioning the CHamber of Secrets as being as much of a myth as the Three Brothers or whatever, there was plenty of opportunity. Even the whole sub-plot of Harry witnessing Voldemort searching for the Elder Wand could have begun in the previous book.

Also, the epilogue felt as like bad fan fiction. I can see what JK Rowling was trying to do; by writing it she made it such that there's no need for a sequel, but that didn't stop the fact that it was enough to potentially ruin the book, if not the whole series.
 
Wow... How on earth did you guys read the book so quickly?! I only finished a few hours ago pretty much flat-out!

I do agree the epiloge was a tad out of place. It really put an abrupt end to the whole series, even if it was what most of the fans wanted... At least a small seperate book like Philip Pullman wrote at the end of his "His Dark Materials" partly to do with the main character after her "destiny" would have been much better.

At one stage or two it was pure luck, to be honest, especially since Hermione and Ron survives without major injury. I know Dumbledore predicted events before they happened, with then being given items from his Will, but avoiding danger like that so many time is unreal...

Still, at least the spoiler of Ron dying wasn't true. Someone said it was. -.-
 
In general I prefer my books to make me think more or to at least not find myself able to guess what is going to happen next. A perfect example of what I like is Orson Scott Card's Ender/Shadow series.

Of course, I'm the same guy that left a library sale ($.50 a book) with three boxes of books. I would have bought more but I showed up on the last day so my choices were limited.

Hahaha... I do that all the time.

Orson Scott Card is a master of fleshing out characters. His "Ender" series is a testament to that. If you like him, you'll definitely love "Maps in a Mirror". I used to have the collection (one volume), but I've seen it sold as two or three books. It's a tantalizing collection of hardcore fantasy and science fiction shorts with a very human touch.

For shallow fantasy, I love Roger Zelazny. He has a way of making highbrow very approachable and very cinematic (in other words, bang, boom, zap!), while still having appreciable depth.

Damnit. I'm going to have to read that book (Deathly Hallows) before I can step in this thread again... :lol:
 
Dobby's death was somehow the saddest. Snape's back story also made me a little sad. Overall I thought it's a good book but I felt it wasn't paced well enough.

And I love Asda. I got the book for £5. :lol:
 
What's interesting about all that, is:

Harry did, in fact, unite the three Hallows. He owned the Invisibility Cloak. He posessed the Resurrection Stone for a short time. And he was the rightful master of the Elder Wand, regardless of whether he physically posessed it. That probably contributed to his surviving Avada Kadavra for the second time in his life. And his mastery of the wand was precisely what killed Voldemort in the end.

That was exactly why i thought happened. I didn't like how dumbeldore explained that he survived because voldemort just killed the part of his own soul and not any of Harry's. He mastered death having the hallows. At first though, I just figured that someone with all of the Hallows would just have to tools to be really powerful; stealth, offesive power, and the power to recall the dead would make the wizard just have all the tools necessary for survival.
 
Another question? How exactly did James acquire the Invisibility cloak in the first place?
It's because he's a descendant of Ignotus Peverell
 
Finshed it!

I thought the bit about snape was really harsh. seems to me he 'got the girl' because he was hot headed and a showoff. Snape loved her all his life and the only thing he could do was to ensure her son finished off her killer.
 
GV
Finshed it!

I thought the bit about snape was really harsh. seems to me he 'got the girl' because he was hot headed and a showoff. Snape loved her all his life and the only thing he could do was to ensure her son finished off her killer.

James and Lily only got together in the 7th year anyway, since James had grown up. Lily probably saw Snape as a close friend anyway, until he called her a mudblood.
 
ah, yes that wasn't the greatest thing he could have done to pulls a girl. thats like wanting to be with a certain origin and shouting a racist remark.

I would have liked to have seen Severus alive with harry knowing he was a 'good guy'. It would be interesting to see the way they communicated etc. I was also very disappointed that JKR killed off tonks and lupin. :(
 
But if Snape was still alive, Harry would've never found out about Snape's past in the first place.
 
true, but there must have been some way in which it could have occured. I think that harry and voldemort's duel should have been a bit more extended that it was.

what a series, what a story.
 
Hooray finished! ^_^

GV
I would have liked to have seen Severus alive with harry knowing he was a 'good guy'. It would be interesting to see the way they communicated etc. I was also very disappointed that JKR killed off tonks and lupin. :(

I found that there were quite a few un-necessary deaths. I think Percy should have been killed off rather than Fred, the whole 'returning at the last second to die' thing would have made him seem very noble. And Mrs Weasley would have still been angry enough to defeat Bellatrix Lestrange. Fred and George have been my favourite since Harry first meets them on the Hogwarts Express in the first book so I was rather sad.
 
I agree, In my opinion:

I'd swap
Fred>Percy
Lupin>Fletcher(if he wasnt killed already)
Tonks>none

Why kill tonks and remus. There was no need!
 
I think by killing those two you sort of leave the door open for a spin off involving their child.

I thought the worst bit of the book was the naming of the children at the end. How horrendously lame.
 
Gads... finally finished the book!

No duh, lame... but appropriate... this is children's... errh... young adult (Harry's now seventeen) fiction, after all... and people really do name their kids after their friends and forebearers if they're close enough.

It's the close of a fairy tale, folks, a nice, tidy little epilogue for those inured to the heapings of death and destruction JKR has ladled out in this book.

I like that Harry named his kid Severus, though...
:lol:


Okay, a couple of thoughts... the noble double-crosser Snape was utterly obvious back in book six. Not a surprising twist at all. I think JKRowling tried to hide this by showing him doing nasty things, but we can see that he doesn't. (Sectum severum... come on...)

The middle of the book as always, seems to be mostly just passing time. I didn't like it in Book Five, I don't like it here.

I agree regarding the Deathly Hallows... not enough lead-up to them. No foreshadowing of the Elder Wand (unless it was mentioned in Book One that Dumbledore's wand was Elder birch)... R.A.B. subplot was a clever twist, actually... I was wracking my brains on that one, and it turns out he was actually mentioned somewhere in the last three thousand pages of books 1-6, after all!

I don't believe it was contrived, though, since these titles are thought up in advance and the author is likely to have a good idea of how the series ends before she starts... but she really should have foreshadowed it better... at least have a selection of Beedle's stories in the back of one of the first six books!

:ouch:

It would have been fitting, but maybe much too neat to have Percy die... or to have some other less important characters to die off, or some more important character like Hermione or Ginny... but I think it's about right, JKR following neither the "red-shirt" syndrome (a la Star Trek... it's always the un-named un-storied extra who gets killed) nor following the melodramatics of previous books where it's always someone important who dies... this is war... you never know who's going to go next.
 
I laugh at these threads sometimes because the last 11 posts were all in spoiler text. :lol: [/offtopic] Carry on.
 
Yeah I think because people are in different stages of reading the book you need to do it. Unlike a movie where you start and finish pretty quick.
 
Oh of course, I understand why people are doing it just sometimes I find it amusing when I'm scrolling down and all I see are blank boxes. :)
 
OK, I cracked. I have thus far refused to buy them new because I refuse to pay $35 for a book, but Kroger had it for $20, so I bought it. I will read it once I finish Clive Cussler's The Treasure of Khan.
 
Really?

You can pick it up for £5 (~$10) over here.
The $20 copy was 40% off. Considering Scholastic normally makes school books it doesn't surprise me that they overcharge.

The typical price of a new hardcover book here is approximately $15-$20 but Harry Potter has been pushed up more and more over time. I would accept supply and demand as a reasoning if it weren't for the fact that I could walk into any store in town and find it laying on the large launch day display table since it went on sale.
 

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