Has PD made to many comprimises?

[Barso]

I am really enjoying GT5 prologue but I would really like this game to become the premier console racing game but I just feel that PD have bitten off more than they can chew.
There are details that I just can't see making the final game without other comprimises.
I can remember at a previous show,I don't know whether it was GDC or tokyo games show but Kaz Yamauchi did a presentation were he promised amazing details like a livery editor etc.
He should play to the PS3's strength and not let sony bully him into 1080p with 60fps. But when we look at prologue in its present state with screen tearing and slowdown why does he not reduce the game to 720p with 8 or 10 cars on track and give us a smoother experience. I know the game needs optimised but when GT4 was released after GT4 prologue it had been downgraded. I feel if GT5 is downgraded it will not be the game I will be wanting. The smoke is terrible and where are the tyre marks and reverse lights? Small details I know but why do PD insist on leaving them out.
I do trust PD as developers but how will they get the game to a better state with damage and better online.
Turn10 are now viable competitors with a younger,smaller developement team and judging by their website they are hiring more people so it seems PD need to watch out.
I do love this game but forza 2's suzuka track puts GT5's to shame with better road textures,trackside details,better 3D crowds and more.
Turn10 I am sure are already starting on forza3 and with GT5 prologue out they are already planning how to beat it.

 

[steve30x]

Screen tearing happens when the frame rate is faster than your televisions refresh rate. so when you see tearing it is the game running faster than 60fps.

 

[driverx]

Screen tearing happens when the frame rate is faster than your televisions refresh rate. so when you see tearing it is the game running faster than 60fps.

you serious i did not know that thanks

 

[steve30x]

Yes im serious. In computers if this happens you set the graphics to turn on V Sync which will limit the highest FPS to your screens refresh rate. So if your screens refresh rate is 60hz then the frame rate of the game wont go above 60 fps which will prevent tearing.

 

[FoolKiller]

I am really enjoying GT5 prologue but I would really like this game to become the premier console racing game but I just feel that PD have bitten off more than they can chew.
There are details that I just can't see making the final game without other comprimises.

Considering that it is a year off I think you are making assumption and worrying yourself for no real reason other than you have minor issues that you admit are small details.

I can remember at a previous show,I don't know whether it was GDC or tokyo games show but Kaz Yamauchi did a presentation were he promised amazing details like a livery editor etc.
He should play to the PS3's strength and not let sony bully him into 1080p with 60fps.

If I recal Kaz wnated 1080p 60fps. I am sure Sony would have accepted 720p if it meant getting a launch title or something.

I feel if GT5 is downgraded it will not be the game I will be wanting.

Let me make sure I understand this. You think 1080p 60fps was too much but if they go down now you don't think you will like it?

Either I am confused or you are being contradictory.

The smoke is terrible and where are the tyre marks and reverse lights? Small details I know but why do PD insist on leaving them out.

You answered your own question, especially when bigger things like damage, weather, day/night changes, and (if we have to) livery editors.

I do trust PD as developers but how will they get the game to a better state with damage and better online.

They are taking their time to do it right. Don't use Prologue as a judge as PD is using Prologue to test. It is a sample of a game not even in alpha testing yet. Demos of completed and ready to sell games are horrible representations of the final product, so what does that say about Prologue?

I can't respond to any Prologue vs. Forza 2 comparisons because I don't own either.

 

[Ardius]

Why do people always ask for reverse lights? First of all, you barely use the reverse gear and secondly how many real racing cars even have functioning reverse lights? Dont they take them out when racing as another thing for weight loss?

Anyway, other than this very silly request, just wait for GT5 to come out. I think people worry too much about a game series that rarely does very much wrong, what reason is everyone thinking up of in order to lose confidence? Or is this just another "i see changes, i dont like change" kind of mentalities?

Whatever, just thought I'd throw a few questions in there for you to chew on.

EDIT: Oh, and comparing Prologue to other (finished) games is a bit silly too.

 

[Scratch]

All i want in full version is Nurburgring and few good cars to drive it Cant say im too bothered about online, since most people seems to be total bellends...

Being picky though, i noticed a little thing... When your standing in one place, 1st gear with brakes on and revving up, the car doesn't move/tilt (though in theory it should, right?). But this is nothing to be worried about

 

[dark_ruffo]

Yes im serious. In computers if this happens you set the graphics to turn on V Sync which will limit the highest FPS to your screens refresh rate. So if your screens refresh rate is 60hz then the frame rate of the game wont go above 60 fps which will prevent tearing.

I think that's called fps lock.

From my understanding, tearing occurs when the screen refresh rate is not divisible by the frame rate i.e. You can't show 59 or frames on a 60hz screen without causing juddering or tearing . In this case, if the framerate falls even to 59fps, screen tearing may occur.

What VSync does is drop the fps down to 30 to mantain sync with the screen refresh rate and show twice the same frame everytime the screen is refreshed only if full 60fps are not possible that instant.

 

[myke6699]

personally, i despise custom liveries. it usually results in a ugly looking cars. i'm pretty sure in the full GT5 you will have cars with livery as there were in GT4. i'm all for 1080p because in a year or two, any games that less than that just wouldn't cut it. I'm pretty sure that by the time GT5 is complete, the problem with frame rate drop and screen tearing will be resolved. i happen to have a 120hz LCD TV and the tear is still a problem. the problem with forza 2 is that the cars look like **** and there's no excuse for that especially in a racing game. the lighting looks fake; even GT4 got dynamic lighting right. there might be more stuff going on on the side of the track at suzuka but the color is off. there's way too much red and brown in the hue- it makes the game look pretty but reality isn't pretty most of the time. the clouds in forza2 look ominous and overly dramatic most of the time. personally i think DIRT achieved the look better that Forza2. I'm glad GT5P doesn't look anything like that.

 

[Red_Line]

PD has been working on this since GT4 came out, Im they can handle thier workload...and if they're not ready, Im not sure if they ever will be

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

I can't respond to any Prologue vs. Forza 2 comparisons because I don't own either.

I have only recently purchased a PS3 for GT5P after spending the past 10months playing Forza 2, so I feel im in a good position to compare.

For starters im finding prologue far more enjoyable than Forza 2. There are two main reasons for this with the first one being the graphics are far superior and secondly and most importantly the physics of prologue make Forza 2 feel like an arcade racer!

It has been a long time since I played GT4 but within a few mins of playing prologue the memories instantly came flooding back to me as it has that GT feel. Im that impressed with Prologue I have already sold my Forza 2 as im more than happy playing this until the full version comes out.

There are a few teething problems but I see ourselves as guinea pigs at the moment and have every faith PD will sort these problems out. I already believe GT5 prologue is the best console racing game ever made and feel confident that the full release of GT5 will be even better.

 

[ChadSpeed]

I have only recently purchased a PS3 for GT5P after spending the past 10months playing Forza 2, so I feel im in a good position to compare.

For starters im finding prologue far more enjoyable than Forza 2. There are two main reasons for this with the first one being the graphics are far superior and secondly and most importantly the physics of prologue make Forza 2 feel like an arcade racer!

It has been a long time since I played GT4 but within a few mins of playing prologue the memories instantly came flooding back to me as it has that GT feel. Im that impressed with Prologue I have already sold my Forza 2 as im more than happy playing this until the full version comes out.

There are a few teething problems but I see ourselves as guinea pigs at the moment and have every faith PD will sort these problems out. I already believe GT5 prologue is the best console racing game ever made and feel confident that the full release of GT5 will be even better.

Right now I have had FM2 since launch, and pre paid for GT5P already. I can't wait to experience GT again. But I am very pleased with FM2 also. Its enormous amount of options for leaderboards, and online please me the most. And it sound of course, engine, exhaust, tires, and tire smoke. I know form the videos that GT5P is already lacking in tire sound and smoke, but the engines and exhaust are sounding very promising. The P.P. system seems interesting also. I can't wait for it, and that euphoric feeling you only get when playing a GT game for the first time!

 

[boci]

I think GT5P has better tire sounds then FM2 but yeah the smoke is very similar to the one is used in GT1.

 

[ChadSpeed]

I think GT5P has better tire sounds then FM2 but yeah the smoke is very similar to the one is used in GT1.

I think most GT fans agree the tire sound is rubbish in GT. I do believe it will be right in the full game though. They should definitely record a real car driving in various circumstances to get it right though. It does communicate well though.

 

[myke6699]

Right now I have had FM2 since launch, and pre paid for GT5P already. I can't wait to experience GT again. But I am very pleased with FM2 also. Its enormous amount of options for leaderboards, and online please me the most. And it sound of course, engine, exhaust, tires, and tire smoke. I know form the videos that GT5P is already lacking in tire sound and smoke, but the engines and exhaust are sounding very promising. The P.P. system seems interesting also. I can't wait for it, and that euphoric feeling you only get when playing a GT game for the first time!

When you do get it: I recommend that you go straight to the London track. It's short but sweet, it makes any other driving game before GT5 irrelevant.

 

[El Drifto]

The tire screeching is annoying, especially when drifting.
The smoke needs to be more dense, and tire marks on the road would be good too.
Hopefully in an update.

 

[Sturdy]

The tire screeching is annoying, especially when drifting.
The smoke needs to be more dense, and tire marks on the road would be good too.
Hopefully in an update.

One subtle thing I would like to see along these lines is smoke in the rear view mirror, as at the moment, however much smoke you're pouring out the back from outside, it isn't in the mirror

As for the noises, I think they're a lot more progressive than before, and perhaps get a bit tiresome when drifting because you're always going to be getting that maximum screech sort of noise as you'll always be pushing the tyres past the limit...

 

[steve30x]

Theres no keeping some people happy is there? I think the game is ok the way it is. You guys are grumbling over small things.

 

[ChadSpeed]

When you do get it: I recommend that you go straight to the London track. It's short but sweet, it makes any other driving game before GT5 irrelevant.

While I don't suspect that will be the case for me, right of the bat anyway, I would love that to be the case. Right now I feel a bit spoiled by FM2's vast array of options for online and leaderboards, and know that GTs are not up to par yet. I'm sure with the updates it will only get better, and I can't wait to see the surprises the full game has in store for us.

 

[ChadSpeed]

Theres no keeping some people happy is there? I think the game is ok the way it is. You guys are grumbling over small things.

Definitely not, including myself. When you play many different games on many different consoles you know what works and what does not, so when PD chooses something that does not work, its a bit irritating. I know I will love the full GT5, but Prologue will atleast hold me over until then.

 

[steve30x]

I think all the little things you guys are picking out is being a bit anal. Ive played many games over the years myself and saw flaws in most of them but I never went out of my way to check out the silly little things like you guys are.

If it isnt good enough go buy yourselves cars the same as the opnes you think arent right and race them on a track. After all its just a game. I know it says its the real simulator but why do they have to have it 100%? I didnt notice any of the things you guys are complaining about and im not going to look for them because theyre not worth talking about.

For those that play Forza 2. Ive played the game and it doesnt compare to GT5 graphics or physics wise. Granted it has too many tuning options anbd all that but GT5 is still better. Also Forza 2 broke my XBOX 360.

 

[kekke2000]

GT5 Prologue is not a game to be judged as other games. Thats why it's a Prologue. This is PD's way to get some feedback, make changes and test new things. This thread is kind of a feedback thread.

The updates will come! Keep feedbacking!

 

[ChadSpeed]

I think all the little things you guys are picking out is being a bit anal. Ive played many games over the years myself and saw flaws in most of them but I never went out of my way to check out the silly little things like you guys are.

If it isnt good enough go buy yourselves cars the same as the opnes you think arent right and race them on a track. After all its just a game. I know it says its the real simulator but why do they have to have it 100%? I didnt notice any of the things you guys are complaining about and im not going to look for them because theyre not worth talking about.

For those that play Forza 2. Ive played the game and it doesnt compare to GT5 graphics or physics wise. Granted it has too many tuning options anbd all that but GT5 is still better. Also Forza 2 broke my XBOX 360.

It broke mine too,

And yes we are nitpicking, but I don't agree that PD has made compromises, they have made a demo.

 

[ChadSpeed]

GT5 Prologue is not a game to be judged as other games. Thats why it's a Prologue. This is PD's way to get some feedback, make changes and test new things. This thread is kind of a feedback thread.

The updates will come! Keep feedbacking!

A very serious question for you. How do we give PD feedback, is there a feedback option in GT5P, does their official site have a feedback link? How do we communicate with PD on feedback issues?

 

[steve30x]

The guys from PD actualy read the usa Playstation forums @ http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/ but they never post there. If we all posted threads like this one there they would get the message. Problem is theres a lot of people that will get up in arms over things like this (I know I did but it was a natural reaction sorry) and the moderators tend to lock threads faster than you blink your eyes there.

 

[kekke2000]

A very serious question for you. How do we give PD feedback, is there a feedback option in GT5P, does their official site have a feedback link? How do we communicate with PD on feedback issues?

Post your opinion here! It worked with BMW M-cars, Ferraris and in the future even with damage.

 

[ChadSpeed]

The guys from PD actualy read the usa Playstation forums @ http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/ but they never post there. If we all posted threads like this one there they would get the message. Problem is theres a lot of people that will get up in arms over things like this (I know I did but it was a natural reaction sorry) and the moderators tend to lock threads faster than you blink your eyes there.

I am a member there to but tend not to post much, since I have an objective view of the GT series and am a PS3, Wii, and 360 owner. Too many fanboys there and you can have NO constructive criticism or discussion with out a locked thread happening. Definitely not the place PD should be looking. This is the only site they should be viewing is this one. I'm seriously considering becoming a premium member, I really appreciate this site and its management.

 

[steve30x]

I am a member there to but tend not to post much, since I have an objective view of the GT series and am a PS3, Wii, and 360 owner. Too many fanboys there and you can have NO constructive criticism or discussion with out a locked thread happening. Definitely not the place PD should be looking. This is the only site they should be viewing is this one. I'm seriously considering becoming a premium member, I really appreciate this site and its management.

I agree I have been a member there with almost a year and I hardly ever post there because there are too many fanboys there. Also Master GT is a bit anal and ViperGirl the mod locks threads without consideration. I love this forum because theres better control in this forum.

 

[ChadSpeed]

I agree I have been a member there with almost a year and I hardly ever post there because there are too many fanboys there. Also Master GT is a bit anal and ViperGirl the mod locks threads without consideration. I love this forum because theres better control in this forum.

I don't know what to make of Master GT, He seems to have a lot of good information, and can be polite and does criticize GT here and there. But Cobra Girl is a complete fanboy. Its okay to be a fanboy, as long as you are not dumb about it.

 

[Rapidone]

Too many compromises, maybe not enough.

I was very surprised to see the frame rate dropping so low. It can get quite jerky sometimes.

This is not what is expected of the GT series, I expect 60fps. Maybe they should compromise on track or car details in the final version to get smoothness back.

Having said that I dont think it affects the game play, only the feeling a quality.