Have the 24H events lost meaning?

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As the title states..

Due to no save feature I am noticing that most people are using the X1 for endurance races to secrue a definate win.

Thus making the endruance more of a chore then a enjoyable and demanding race.

I Would love to compete in a endurance race and actually fight every lap if only they would have some way of saving within the race. But like most i will have to go for the X1 to guarantee the win..

Thus without a save featrue the endruance races do not hold any meaning other then to advance and not really to have any fun.

Anyone else share the same thoughts?
 
There was no save feature in GT4 either - the only other appearance of 24hr races in the series - so it hasn't changed. Except now you have a car faster than the PFGT to do the races.

People make what challenge they wish. Some don't enjoy the challenge and seek to diminish it, some do and seek to magnify it. Meh.
 
I use underpowered cars for the 4 hour endurance races.
But I used an FGT for the 9 hour Tsukuba.
I also use the X1 for distance endurance races such as 1000 KM Suzuka (I wanted to use a Super GT to enjoy the race, but time restraints).
 
I understand that.. You make the challange that you wish.. but in all honesy how many people can honestly tell me that they have enjoyed doing any 24H without it getting tedious.. And no one would want to redo a 24 hour race because they just had so much fun. (Except maybe the few who have loads of time on their hands).
But even then its proplbably not because they were fun.

Also in GT4 you could swap out and take a brake and just because something was like that, it does not mean we have to put up with it in every single instalment of the game.. There should be progression in a game series.. However that has been mentioned many of times.
 
Piotrov
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The endurance would be killed by the game's AI anyway. And given the stupid leveling system, I'm not going to bother to unlock them. Instead, I'll just go online one day, pick Sarthe, set laps to 99, place a 850 hp limit, and see who comes in.
 
Piotrov
I understand that.. You make the challange that you wish.. but in all honesy how many people can honestly tell me that they have enjoyed doing any 24H without it getting tedious...
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I know that I did all three in GT4 and enjoyed them. I know I'm not the only person either, but wouldn't seek to speak for them.

Piotrov
Also in GT4 you could swap out and take a brake and just because something was like that, it does not mean we have to put up with it in every single instalment of the game.. There should be progression in a game series.. However that has been mentioned many of times.
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I don't know what your point is. There's nothing you can do in GT5's 24hr races that you couldn't in GT4's. There's nothing you can do in GT4's 24 hr races that you can't in GT5. Need a break? Pause it and go do something else - GT4's 24hr races took me a week each.
 
I myself dont find the AI as too much of a problem other then they have absolutely no interaction with the player. If you race like the AI does, meaning you pass where there is loads of room and dont try to do risky moves then the AI will stay out of your way.
For me the big problem in Endurance races is time restraints..

Most of us do not have enough time in our lives to enjoy a 24H race unless we get some kind of a save feature so we can enjoy the endruance races bits at a time...
And there is no way in hell im pausing my PS3 for 4 days straight. I want to do other things then just have the screen frozen on GT5 that long.

Games are supposed to be about fun and not just to progress through one thing just to get to another.
 
Id like a pause feature on these enduro races for the A-Spec side of things. If not them let them implement me using my Bobs when I pit so I can actually go live my life for that day lol. I wont be doing any A-Spec Enduros that are longer than 2-3 hours since there is no pause feature or Bobs to take over during pits and when Im away or just need a break.

Its very unrealistic to expect someone to waste and entire 24 hour day racing on a game. You cant pause the game or delegate a Bob to race for you if say you have to go eat at least 3 times in that 24 hour or use the bathroom etc. In real life Enduro's you have more than one guy driving for that 24hour period so not sure the reason PD left that part out or at the very least gave the ability to pause or maybe save. Someone had mentioned a great idea in another thread. Adding the save feature when you pit. So when you resume its as if you are just coming out of the pits so it would be a natural resuming instead of pausing or saving in a corner at 230mph then resuming and meeting the wall lol.
 
I will set the rules for the 24 hour events:

1. No bathroom breaks
2. No pause
3. No food or drink
4. No talking

Relax guys, it'll be ok. I'm kidding. Just play the game as you want to play it.

Me? When I get to those races, I'll be using the best car possible for it even if it means it's no contest. I plan on doing those races ONE TIME only. lol
 
Famine
I know that I did all three in GT4 and enjoyed them. I know I'm not the only person either, but wouldn't seek to speak for them.



I don't know what your point is. There's nothing you can do in GT5's 24hr races that you couldn't in GT4's. There's nothing you can do in GT4's 24 hr races that you can't in GT5. Need a break? Pause it and go do something else - GT4's 24hr races took me a week each.
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Sorry I should have elaborated. I meant that you could let your BoB take over for you so you could at least take a brake while the race continues.
In GT5 you have no such choice.

Which seems more of a step back from GT4.. In my oppinion of course.

And in Pausing the game the game is no longer 24Hours but plus the time you have it paused.
I know its a game and everyone has a different definition of fun but it would cater to more players (GT5 vets and newcomers) if a save feature was implemented so if you have to use it because you have work and kids and dont have 2 TV's in your home where you can pause your game for days at a time, you can use it and if your dont then you wont have to and you can sit trough the full 24 hours or pause it for days on end.

I hope that makes sense.. Im not trying to bitch and complain but im just trying to realize where the line between fun and just getting the event completed. is.
 
Piotrov
I myself dont find the AI as too much of a problem other then they have absolutely no interaction with the player. If you race like the AI does, meaning you pass where there is loads of room and dont try to do risky moves then the AI will stay out of your way.
For me the big problem in Endurance races is time restraints..
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I wasn't referring to the AI's ability to avoid interfering with the player, but their inability to stay competitive. Back in GT4, if I wanted a really challenging race, I had to find a car and set up that would roughly run laps not faster than the prodigy car for a particular race. This was time consuming and annoying. It's the same in GT5 generally, and in endurance races, pit strategy comes into play, so even if I find a car that's just slow enough, I have to make sure I burn gas and tires like the AI. I'd rather just go online where at least some of the drivers I encounter are bound to be better than me and force me to drive at 120%.

If you're looking to do the endurance races for the experience of doing such a race, I say just go online. Organize an event and invite some people. Those will to race such an event, time permitting, are out there.

Most of us do not have enough time in our lives to enjoy a 24H race unless we get some kind of a save feature so we can enjoy the endruance races bits at a time...
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I completely agree with the need for a save feature, but if you really, really want to do the 24 hour races, you should be able to set aside a couple of days out of the year. That's what I did in GT4. I did all the 24 hour races in one sitting on separate days. Had a second driver too (not B-Spec EDIT, well maybe a little B-Spec so that I wasn't hogging the PS2) occasionally.
 
Whenever I do unlock these and have a chunk of time, ill sit down to play em. Just pause in between. Having no safe function doesn't matter for me. Its just about finding the time to get 24hrs of GT5 done.
 
Is driving Le Mans with an X1 and never pausing the game more of a challenge than those who fight every lap with an equally powered car but do the race several hours at a time over many days (i.e pausing when not driving)? I did the former (9 hours driving, 6 hours sleeping, 9 hours driving) and I found it quit exhausting and definitely won't be doing that again until I get to Nurburgring.
 
Famine
There was no save feature in GT4 either - the only other appearance of 24hr races in the series - so it hasn't changed. Except now you have a car faster than the PFGT to do the races.

People make what challenge they wish. Some don't enjoy the challenge and seek to diminish it, some do and seek to magnify it. Meh.
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But there was a b-spec feature where you could share driving responsibilities.
 
It would have been nice if there were only one set of 24h races (instead of one for a-spec and one for b-spec) and you could then just recruit 2 of your B-spec drivers and set a length of time for how long you want each of them to drive for a max of 8hrs each maybe. That way, you could drive 8 hours and let them do the remaining 16. That'd be much more reasonable.
 
They are meaningless to me, other than to acquire the prize cars. I really want the GT1 race car, but I want to play my game, not watch it for 24 hours.
 
I remember back to 2003 I enjoyed so much with my buddy in GT3 formula endurance race, when I am driving, he became my team principle, doing all the calculation, which lap to pit, gap between me and 2nd place etc...due to driving style, I had to pit more times than the AI, when he is driving, we switch roles. At the end, we managed to win by onlyTWO seconds...Oh my, it was hell of great time! That was probably how I got into the whole GT series. Now it's all gone:guilty:
 
I did Grand Valley and Indy 500.

I'd love to do the 24hr ones, but I can't leave the ps3 on gt5 for days at a time. I don't want the old electrical system in my house to catch fire in the middle of the night and kill me in my sleep just so I can do a 24hr endurance.

Saving would be ideal, I know for realism sake a 24hr race is an endurance race, but everything else is fake! We don't put real fuel in the videogame car, we don't have to buy the in game cars with real money (fortunately!). It's only a game!

Respect to those who can complete the 24hr endurance over a period of days. The rest of us with working lives and families will have to hope for a save feature.

This is one case where realism is not welcome.
 
starbug
I did Grand Valley and Indy 500.

I'd love to do the 24hr ones, but I can't leave the ps3 on gt5 for days at a time. I don't want the old electrical system in my house to catch fire in the middle of the night and kill me in my sleep just so I can do a 24hr endurance.

Saving would be ideal, I know for realism sake a 24hr race is an endurance race, but everything else is fake! We don't put real fuel in the videogame car, we don't have to buy the in game cars with real money (fortunately!). It's only a game!

Respect to those who can complete the 24hr endurance over a period of days. The rest of us with working lives and families will have to hope for a save feature.

This is one case where realism is not welcome.
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Well put!
 
dhandes
But there was a b-spec feature where you could share driving responsibilities.
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I see what you mean - but if you did that in GT4 you got no reward besides the money and car. Bob gained no experience, you gained no A-Spec points.

I agree though that, if you're such an awesome team manager and driver, you should be able to drive with the rest of your team...

starbug
Respect to those who can complete the 24hr endurance over a period of days. The rest of us with working lives and families will have to hope for a save feature.
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When I did GT4's 24hr races, I had both. When I do GT5's 24 hr races, I'll have one but not t'other. If you have time to play the game despite other external factors, you have time to do the 24hr races.

Your PS3 is not going to burn your house down.

starbug
This is one case where realism is not welcome.
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It's not really realism though is it? No-one's run a 24hr race on their own in reality, to my knowledge (though Pierre Levegh tried - and failed).
 
Famine
It's not really realism though is it? No-one's run a 24hr race on their own in reality, to my knowledge (though Pierre Levegh tried - and failed).
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Only a few drivers have achieve this in the lower classes of the Baja 1000. A trophy truck does the race in 16 to 18 hours but change drivers. Jesse James ran the Baja by himself and did it in 18+ hours, so its be possible but not likely to happen.

I personally had no trouble leaving my PS2 for periods longer than 24hrs since that brick was extremely reliable.Also I have completed the 24hr Le Mans endurance race 5 times to reach level 40 but every time I felt it was going to be my PS3 last race. I'm currently on my third PS3 and hope nothing happens to this one. The first stopped reading discs, the second YLOD in 9hr Tsubaka after 16hrs of continuously being on.

One tip if something happens to your PS3 and you need to go buy it again do so at Costco they will exchange the console for the first two years, no questions asked.
 
Hurr. I'm 10 minutes from the end of Tsukuba 9 Hours right now, and it's been on for 6 days :lol:
 
For me anything over about 4 hrs is going to carry some tedius, mind numbing, monotony, even if done in stints. So I do prefer the shorter ones.

Still, the 24hr races have their own unique challenge.
Many have never cared for them at all, and some like them.
I'm all for more event content, so I would rather have them than not.

While technically not an endurance, GT4 had the 1000mis race and I loved that.
I had hoped GT5 would have expanded on that idea and included more races like that one.
However it got nixed along with a lot of other stuff.

I think the 24hr races still have meaning. Like a lot of other things, it just comes down to preference and appreciation.
 
Here are some tips for having a blast in a 24 hour race:

1. Get some friends. Pick two or three who want to do the damn thing.
2. Get a big screen and playseat installed in a room away from sleeping quarters.
3. Pick another friend as a pit boss/ team manager.
4. Start on a Saturday afternoon, like you should.
5. Place a bounty(and make it HUGE) on fastest lap, and another one on fastest average over a stint.
6. Enjoy!

There are other ways to crank up the excitement. One is to do this while having a real party going on. Devote one room to the race and watch the excitement get ramped up. Coming in for the pit stop then having to bail out and find the next driver as quick as possible makes for hilarity, especially when the next driver is hammered. Having to recover 20 laps because your buddy skipped his stint to get laid(or throw up) makes for one hell of a challenge.
 
I don't particularly care for mega-enduros... and I most certainly wouldn't want to have a day's worth of time in my life wasted if I lose a battle. I would use the most overpowering car I cold get my hands on so as to only have to endure that type of race once! (And my PS3 would thank me too!:))
 
Well, the answer to why everyone uses X1 is pretty simple. It would be very heartbreaking if one loses a 24hr race. And nobody wants to repeat the excruciating pain and torture of what it requires of you.

Even doing 24hr race yourself only is an achievement, so why not just make goals more achievable?
 
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It would be very heartbreaking if one loses a 24hr race. And nobody wants to repeat the excruciating pain and torture of what it requires of you.
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That's only because it's required to progress. I could care less about A-Spec being challenging because online is better (IMO) and more challenging (IMO). I think that they should do away with progression and just leave the racing, so that it's OK to slide off the road and into a barrier at 23:59:59 and come in second. I'd have no problem with that happening online, and it's things like that that make realistic damage, as in car will not move, exciting. Offline however, it just because a nusance set back becasue you need to spend another 24 hours to get your prize car. If the race was just there for the sake of racing, winning becomes less than a "requirement".
 
I used the X1 (that I obtained legitamately, before anyone asks) for the Suzuka 1000km, but that's only because I don't much like Suzuka and just wanted to get the race the smeg over with. Most of the other enduros that I've done, I used a car that's equal to or slightly faster than the AI for a decent race (for example, I used a RM'd Elise on Sports Softs for the Tsukuba 9 Hours). I also A-Speced all three 24 hour races in GT4, one of which was for 200 A-Spec points.

I can't wait to hit level 35, then level 40.
 
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A scaler, like the one used in Grid would be an excellent addition. For those who haven't played Grid, it allows the player to scale the 24 hour day/night cycle to whatever you are comfortable with. Got an hour spare? Set the scaler to 1 hour and the race will only last an hour, but it will still go through the entire day/night cycle within that hour.
 

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