Have you experienced "random" grip?

[Voodoovaj]

It seems lately that my consistency has fallen through the floor in Sport Mode. To me, it seems that, from race to race, the grip level is somewhat random. No matter how consistent I am with my inputs, my "consistency" seems to be confined to a single race, and it changes at the next event.

Is it just me?

Example. My Q time at Interlagos is 1:31.8. In time trial mode and in qualifying practice, I can lap consistently in the low 1:32's and high 1:31's.

In some races, I can do the same. Last night, I had a race where I finished 2nd. laps 2-5 were a 1:32.2, 1:32.1, 1:32.5, 1:32.1. Most races are a little slower with the most common laps times being 1:32.4 to 1:32.5. There's slight slip ups and such that cause me to lose some tenths here and there. That's what's "normal".

Then, out of nowhere, I'm lapping in the low 1:33's. I have to have super focus to get into the high 1:32's. I watch people ahead of me scamper away. Even when I have clear track and no pressure, I cannot get my times to be any where close to where they should be. That's a full second at a short track. I've even had it change from what seems like one level of grip to another mid race. I have had a few where I am lapping in the 1:33's, then all of a sudden, lap 5 is a low 1:32 again.

Now, I am suspicious of this being related to poor connections in the room. There seems to be a correlation between poor connections from other players and the consistency of the grip levels. I have noticed that players get dropped from the race and my grip has improved, but this can also be a complete coincidence.

 

[Rinsky]

I have ran into this problem in lobby racing but not Sport Mode as I just don't race in Sport Mode anymore.
I fixed the problem by creating new lobby settings and stopped using the saved settings.
I have no idea how you could fix this problem in Sport Mode.
My guess is it has something to do with the internet connection and involves small amounts of lag. You can do the normal stuff like deleting the history from the game and restarting your internet modem. Other than that I have no other suggestions for Sport Mode and it might not even be on your end.

 

[sdi_03]

haven't done any racing this week, but in race C qualy the grip seems to alter. I mean that early this week, I could easily put 2:07.xx laps with hurcan.
next few days strugle to get 2:08.5xx front grip is lost somehow, like the game would say stop qualyfying and go to race.
No, not interested participating on any wreck fest.
Did gr3 endurance races offline, and noticed that the RH tyres were useless. It took like 3 laps on autopolis to get those grip even little.
On RS tyres, they seem to lose grip in some corners suddenly, like hitting ice or oil.
So somethign in the new tyre model is causing this?

Edit: Noticed this last week also in autopolis, grip in race was better than in qualy. Really odd

Starting to get fed up with this whole game, need to start save for gaming computer and move to iRacing or something else.

 

[Voodoovaj]

On RS tyres, they seem to lose grip in some corners suddenly, like hitting ice or oil.

I remember something liek this early on in lobbies. I had forgotten about it.

Starting to get fed up with this whole game, need to start save for gaming computer and move to iRacing or something else.

Good luck. iRacing is still coded by humans, ergo, still prone to it's own bugs/issues.

 

[dabz343]

Yes, inconsistencies in grip levels are there for sure. Can't pinpoint why, but an examination is definitely warranted...if only someone could develop a sophisticated telemetry app to bring some statistics into the picture?...hmm

 

[K1LLD0z3R]

Now, I am suspicious of this being related to poor connections in the room. There seems to be a correlation between poor connections from other players and the consistency of the grip levels. I have noticed that players get dropped from the race and my grip has improved, but this can also be a complete coincidence.

I’ve had this happen and this is the only constant. I even get weird car behavior when I’m near one of the single red bar runners.

 

[sdi_03]

Good luck. iRacing is still coded by humans, ergo, still prone to it's own bugs/issues.

Yes, its's coded by humans and I havent never even tryed that game. But I have wathed some tube vid about it, and followed eeriees vids from iracing. Racing seems to be mostly clean and driving physics more like in real life.
I do like gt sport a lot, but there is also big problems in physics and lack of clean racing in some events.

For this grip issue, I drove the X2014 races offline this week. At every race I was leading about 5 to 10 sec two laps before finish.
All of those laps eneded sudden ice or oil pacth that spun the car and I was facing the wrong way. Still managed to win those races, but the margin was only like 0.1 sec. These "make it little harder" just doesnt belong in real driving simulator IMO.

Or in the gr3 race when I could not keep the 911 on the track with RH tyres when going over 60kmh in corners. Just plain stupid.
My trackday car have more grip in street driven semi-slick tyres than RS tyres in this game.

 

[Pururut]

Starting to get fed up with this whole game, need to start save for gaming computer and move to iRacing or something else.

Goodbye. This community doesnt needs a person like you anyway.

 

[Veinz]

This is probably just in my head and sounds weird. But I feel like I have slightly more grip when I do qualifying through the entry option rather than the other qualifying option. I haven’t noticed much during the races though.

 

[sdi_03]

Goodbye. This community doesnt needs a person like you anyway.

Thank you. Im sorry if my opinions or posts have offended you.
This is a place to talk about this game and I think that also negative opinions are allowed?

 

[Pururut]

Thank you. Im sorry if my opinions or posts have offended you.
This is a place to talk about this game and I think that also negative opinions are allowed?

Negative opinions always allowed but if you really think gt sport is that bad then this community doesnt needs you.

 

[RA1784]

How can you speak for a whole community?

 

[TurboTacho]

Random grip...I don't really feel it when doing Daily Races. But indeed there are some moments when some corners in a lap felt like "magic boost pads" when it usually feels like driving on ice on your qualifying laps.

Another possible theory is that softer compounds tend to build up heat faster, and hence when they are worked to the limit they would sometimes overheat and end up losing grip round the corner.

 

[OJT6627]

And i thought i was just getting delusional when something similar happened to me

I mostly play offline, but i experienced similar thing myself. I'm definitely not the fastest driver out there, but i can keep fairly consistent times if the car suits my driving style.
I noticed several times that, for example, i am braking at 150m mark before a corner, and 7 laps in a row i easily make it into the corner and then on my 8th lap the car overshoots the corner even tho i braked at the exact same point and on lap 9 or 10 it is back to normal again (tyre wear is off, btw, so can't address it to worn out tyres)

Maybe it has something to do with certain physics calculations that we are not aware of?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I usually figure it's my tires getting compromised from getting hit. But, yes, some races on Tokyo I seem to have more understeer than others. Heck sometimes even in the same race I'm wondering why won't you turn... Then the next lap I'm wondering why did I not have to lift at all here and I'm flying through the twisty section on Tokyo.

Also why does the game hang for a split second when someone drops out. Is that just me or does it glitch for everyone?

 

[SpaceMaN47y0]

I get that little blip when someone exits mid-race too.

As for the grip, I've posted before about race vs qualy, but I do feel sometimes the car just does goofy stuff once in a while. Like a lap where it just doesn't turn. Or slides all over. Maybe its to keep us on our toes. I've come to terms with being slower, yet I swear sometimes its not me.

 

[ststav01]

was thinking of starting a similar thread - there is something for sure. I have experienced the same feeling lots of times, trying to be as consistent as possible, my inputs are as precise as they can be and yet - my time varies. What I've noticed is that sometimes when I press on the "retry" button and perform the same inputs the car behaves differently and it has more grip than my previous try. I remember TheKie25 talking about similar behavior but in his situation he created another account and was comparing the behavior of a car in both accounts stating that he feels more grip on the one account compared to another - anyway there is 100% something with this random grip and it's really ridiculous and I hope to get it fixed soon although I really doubt...

 

[KONTRAone]

Heck sometimes even in the same race I'm wondering why won't you turn... Then the next lap I'm wondering why did I not have to lift at all here and I'm flying through the twisty section on Tokyo.

I too have noticed odd moments where the grip seems to fall off a cliff, particularly in qualifying practice and dailys where wear isn't a factor. I literally find myself yelling "WHERE ARE YOUUU GOINGGG?!!?!" from time to time xD
I know that pickup can affect grip and possibly even tire temp, but even then it shouldn't be as pronounced as it is so it's got to be something else... But it helps my sanity a bit to know that I'm not alone on this one lol

 

[phil_75]

I've thought this since the start, i think it's version of the previous games online physics being different to offline.

I think the physics are somewhat dumbed down and less precise, adjusting constantly depending on the connection speed/quality.
Eg the game will fill in certain calculations itself when the connection is poor /slow

 

[dnlnnhs]

I play mostly offline, and I thought this happened to me several times. Especially when I take the lead. It is like I get a tire downgrade. I figured it was just all the variables in the game and it just seemed like it was happening - and it still might be - but good to know others experienced the same. So I'm not crazy - or several of us are.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

I'll have an occasional freaky understeer moment from time to time but usually I just chalk it up to entering the turn with the car's balance out of whack. Turn 2 on Suzuka is a good example. There's a subtle pivot you need to make with the car be it by lift off or popping the brake but it's very easy to get the timing wrong and then go understeering away from the apex screwing up that whole run through the esses. The current rate this would happen is usually 1 out of 20 laps which seems in line with everyone else's complaints. I'd imagine that on precise corners, that latency or packet loss during a corner like that would mess up the weight distribution and cause some headaches.

 

[fastone371]

There are several unusual things I norice.
During dailys and lobbies I will often get what seems like a camera flash on my screen at the same point on
track every lap.
Just yesterday while lobby racing I was at WOT, I even checked telemetry but the engine was barely revving and car was barely accelerating, then like magic it fixed itself.
I usually do the Race A one makes, almost always after running 20-30 consecutive laps I will exit and re-enter and usually within a lap or 2 I will improve my best lap, it happened 4 times last week.
I have also thought that maybe my car was suddenly pushing like a Mack truck because of overheating tires but the tire temp gauge shows nothing unusual.
For those who say iRacing is no better I think they listen to their racers and also investigate dirty driving, I see PD and Sony doing neither even though the investment is much less in GTS, it's really quite a shame.

 

[Voodoovaj]

I'll have an occasional freaky understeer moment from time to time but usually I just chalk it up to entering the turn with the car's balance out of whack. Turn 2 on Suzuka is a good example. There's a subtle pivot you need to make with the car be it by lift off or popping the brake but it's very easy to get the timing wrong and then go understeering away from the apex screwing up that whole run through the esses. The current rate this would happen is usually 1 out of 20 laps which seems in line with everyone else's complaints. I'd imagine that on precise corners, that latency or packet loss during a corner like that would mess up the weight distribution and cause some headaches.

Yes, this, but I am also getting loss of rear end grip on exit. On corners where I should be able to pull away without much fuss, I end up lighting up the tires, which then causes a host of other issues.

I'm pretty sure getting onto the marbles affect traction, and sometimes it feels like if you drive off the line, even in races where there is no wear and no marbles, the tires end up dirty and you have no grip. I can't say this is always the case though. It could be cold tires, but it's not a problem that consistently happens at the beginning of races.

I DEFINITELY have had issues around 1 bar players. Regardless of which lap I might be on, getting close to a 1 bar player causes handling problems.

 

[vvise]

I'm pretty sure getting onto the marbles affect traction, and sometimes it feels like if you drive off the line, even in races where there is no wear and no marbles, the tires end up dirty and you have no grip. I can't say this is always the case though. It could be cold tires, but it's not a problem that consistently happens at the beginning of races.

I can usually explain seemingly random grip to these things (marbles, grass, cold tires, slipstream). I also wonder if there's lower grip for overheated tires as well? so low grip means more wheel spin means less grip means more wheel spin etc?

I saw a tidge stream recently where he claimed belief in a "low grip bug" for lobbies.

I DEFINITELY have had issues around 1 bar players. Regardless of which lap I might be on, getting close to a 1 bar player causes handling problems.

interesting, i've never heard about this before.

 

[RA1784]

Yes, experienced it today. Was in a fia practice lobby (gr3 autopolis) and had no grip and no feeling for the car at all, i was sliding all over the place. I stopped because i thought its just not my day. I gave it another try an hour later and was easily 2 sec faster (from high 47s to mid 45s) and it actually felt like driving.

Edit: while i typed this my car was in the pit and when i entered the track i had the same feeling like in the "low grip lobby" because of cold tyres!! Bold blue frame around the tyres in the hud display.

 

[DGXR]

I have experienced this intermittent grip phenomenon. There are certain tracks with grippy pavement in some areas and less grippy pavement in other areas. This is not what we are talking about. I think it's real, but I don't know if is a bug i.e. it happens randomly, or if there is a specific (likely complex) set of circumstances that triggers it.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Yes, experienced it today. Was in a fia practice lobby (gr3 autopolis) and had no grip and no feeling for the car at all, i was sliding all over the place. I stopped because i thought its just not my day. I gave it another try an hour later and was easily 2 sec faster (from high 47s to mid 45s) and it actually felt like driving.

Edit: while i typed this my car was in the pit and when i entered the track i had the same feeling like in the "low grip lobby" because of cold tyres!! Bold blue frame around the tyres in the hud display.

Perhaps it's a bug with tire temperature because it does feel a lot like just coming out of the pit. Or the dirty tire effect.

 

[RA1784]

Or the game simulates the tyres better than we think. Unfortunately it doesnt show us detailed tyre conditions

 

[Knukel]

Slipstream would be obvious explanation, so sorry for mentioning; but i finally started KTM grinding at BMB and i never realized how massive the impact is even from road cars... The car simply becomes uncontrollable on pad.

 

[llNovall]

Just curious, does the loss of grip, especially understeering, happen when you are alone during the race, or noticed when you are following a car. If by yourself, I have no answer for that, but if following, could it be aero wash from the car ahead affecting your front end grip? Just a thought.