Hispania F112 Launch

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Justin
I think the criticism of HRT is more than valid, it's one thing if a well established team like Ferrari fails a crash test in December, it's a completely different story if a fairly new team with financial issues fails it less than a month before the season.

Saying that, I don't think they will have an issue getting to Australia, they may have a hard time staying in front of Marussia though.
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But, as has been said before, failing a crash test first time is perfectly normal for a team. It is then up to the team to decide if they want to make it public. HRT failing a crash test is no worse than a Ferrari or a McLaren failing a test. If it is chronic failures, then that's a different story, but it's not.

GTPorsche
Wasn't HRT the team that barely got their cars assembled for the first qualifying session in their debut season?

I think the criticism is somewhat justified.
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Not anymore. In one month, the team changed from Campos Meta to HRT, and had to finish paying Dallara to complete designing and provide their cars for the season. Colin Kolles did a superhuman job getting that team ready for Bahrain.
 
vetteman24
it is my opinion and ive seen seen something like this before it does not end well
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That's quite vague, the HRT of last year has been rebuilt for this year and onward. The funny thing is the acknowledge the tough times that are ahead and know the car wont be as great as they wanted it to for the their third season. The make this public and have a totally different attitude, one that PDR thinks has plenty of potential. They are now owned by a Spanish financial group and Sala has a long term plan for the group.

This isn't the same HRT that didn't know what direction they wanted to go in. Also the funny thing about some of the comments is, that a team this disorganized was also beating the more organized group of Virgin/Murussia F1 who also probably carry more money. They beat them the first and second season and I'd bet you that they'll do it again for a third season. What have you seen before, what teams? Because I've been watching F1 for 16+ years and haven't seen events like that of HRT much before. Jordan and Tyrell come close but not near the same.
 
Peter.
But, as has been said before, failing a crash test first time is perfectly normal for a team.
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Failing a crash test less than one month from the season is normal?

Like I said, I'm sure they will be on the grid, I'm not so sure they will be able to stay ahead of Marussia though(not that I have a whole lot of faith in that program either).
 
GTPorsche
Wasn't HRT the team that barely got their cars assembled for the first qualifying session in their debut season?

I think the criticism is somewhat justified.
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I think that was last season (their second (2011)). They did get the car assembled however both cars were too slow to qualify :( (107% rule)
 
Justin
Failing a crash test less than one month from the season is normal?

Like I said, I'm sure they will be on the grid, I'm not so sure they will be able to stay ahead of Marussia though(not that I have a whole lot of faith in that program either).
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I doubt they will be ahead of Marussia again this season, but in terms of their current position, HRT has announced a car launch date, and has taken part in the crash tests as far as we know. Marussia has been awfully quiet this off season.

GTPorsche
HRT has failed multiple crash tests this off-season.
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No. There are several different crash tests a F1 car has to go through, around 17 different ones. HRT had passed around 14 of those, failed 2 by small margins, and were unable to do one because of the failures.
 
Peter.
No. There are several different crash tests a F1 car has to go through, around 17 different ones. HRT had passed around 14 of those, failed 2 by small margins, and were unable to do one because of the failures.
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Last time I checked, 2 is multiple.
 
vetteman24
i think this is the begining of the end for HRT
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vetteman24
it is my opinion and ive seen seen something like this before it does not end well
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Well your opinion is uninformed. A team failing a crash test is not the end. They failed a crash test last year. As a result, they had to use an old front wing in Australia and failed to qualify, yet they still managed to beat Marussia who have a larger budget and are a very experienced team in comparison.

vetteman24
i was thinking of the USF1 failure how they pushed back the debut and pushed back even farther until they folded but they did not have the luxury of having a pervous model
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USF1 had nothing more than a render. That whole team was a disaster story of mismanagement. You can't compare them to HRT. HRT have performed respectably. Comments like this show how little you actually know about F1.

jcm
I think that was last season (their second (2011)). They did get the car assembled however both cars were too slow to qualify :( (107% rule)
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They failed to qualify for the Australian grand prix as their front wing didn't pass the crash test and they had to resort to their previous front wing.

All the HRT naysayers are ill informed. Perhaps you should take a look at the discussions regarding HRT from this time last year. I was one of the few people (along with Ardius and a few others) back then who didn't mock them. Time has proven me right. Whether they can remain as competitive without the leadership of Colin Kolles remains to be seen.
 
F1 fan
Perhaps you should take a look at the discussions regarding HRT from this time last year.
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You mean the one we are more or less having again this year?

The fact it pretty much is should say something about HRT. Them beating Marussia also doesn't say a whole lot considering how neither team has really gained any ground on the leaders.
 
Justin
You mean the one we are more or less having again this year?

The fact it pretty much is should say something about HRT. Them beating Marussia also doesn't say a whole lot considering how neither team has really gained any ground on the leaders.
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Well the fact that HRT didn't meet the embarrassing end that most were predicting last year also says a lot. People just want to say bad things about this team, but given that they've twice managed to beat a more experienced team with a bigger budget with next to no car development says a lot.

It's sad that HRT seem to be the butt of the joke when they have actually accomplished quite a lot given the circumstances.
 
Justin
You mean the one we are more or less having again this year?

The fact it pretty much is should say something about HRT. Them beating Marussia also doesn't say a whole lot considering how neither team has really gained any ground on the leaders.
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In 2010, HRT was something like 5-6 seconds off the frontrunners. Now it's 3-4. They have gained a huge amount of ground on the frontrunners.
 
Peter.
In 2010, HRT was something like 5-6 seconds off the frontrunners. Now it's 3-4. They have gained a huge amount of ground on the frontrunners.
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Not just that, sometimes they were under a second or if the most being 2 seconds behind Caterham last year which says something about this team. They're going hard and not ready to give up...

I understand people doubting HRT's current situation with the car failed the crash test only less than a month before the Australian GP and their current financial state but the way I see people making fun of this team considering that they can even stand and live in F1 for 2 years already is something of an achievement.
 
Justin
You mean the one we are more or less having again this year?

The fact it pretty much is should say something about HRT. Them beating Marussia also doesn't say a whole lot considering how neither team has really gained any ground on the leaders.
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Beside the fact that Marussia had proper sponsor backing all while HRT were being sold off to the bank that owned the loan. With HRT still beating Marussia. Not to count the fact that Marussia go through a second driver like some kind of style with Glock not really seeming to give any true feedback to developing a new car. Nick Wirth was a bad choice but lack of money might have been a bigger problem.

HRT are getting KERS this year something Marussia aren't, another thing Marussia aren't getting is a stepped nose due to lack of development like I've said. However HRT will have one. It seems to me that the team full of backers is steps behind the team with a blank canvas. I will say this though Virgin do have help from one of the first class teams, but so do HRT as well as Caterham when you look at the new teams.

So my question is why is HRT kicked around but I never see Marussia under the same scope?

GTPorsche
HRT has failed multiple crash tests this off-season.
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Do you have links to prove this?
 
As far as I know, HRT has only failed two of the seventeen crash tests, and did not begin a third because passing one of those two was a pre-requisite of taking that third test. The latest round of reports suggesting that they have failed more appears to be little more than a re-post of the first reports.
 
Personally I hold both Marussia and HRT in the same camp. Caterham is the only newish team to really impress me.
 
astrosdude91
Personally I hold both Marussia and HRT in the same camp. Caterham is the only newish team to really impress me.
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I agree with that. If I were to say who I'm more impressed with HRT vs Marussia Virgin F1 wise, it'd would be HRT for various reason shown that most of those saying nay aren't aware of.

The people who I usually see taking a dump on HRT (usually) are the casual fan that tries to pretend to know what is going on in F1 news to chime in on it, in a fashion that just show how little they know.
 
astrosdude91
Personally I hold both Marussia and HRT in the same camp. Caterham is the only newish team to really impress me.
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What did you expect Caterham to do with significantly more funding, resources and technical experience than both HRT and Virgin?
 
I've read the HRT have shown up at Barcelona, so we will see when and what the new car looks like. I'd hate to have to wait for March 1st just to see it.
 
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They wouldn't be allowed to run the 2012 spec. Pirellis during the filming which means they will be going to Melbourne with absolutely nothing. Perhaps getting the car going but no worth of data will be carried over to Melbourne...
 
They've already done running on the new Pirellis - they ran at the first test at Jerez. No, if they get a filming day in, tyre evaluation will be low on their list of priorities. The important thing for HRT is to do a shakedown of the F112: make sure that everything works the way it is supposed to work.
 
prisonermonkeys
They've already done running on the new Pirellis - they ran at the first test at Jerez. No, if they get a filming day in, tyre evaluation will be low on their list of priorities. The important thing for HRT is to do a shakedown of the F112: make sure that everything works the way it is supposed to work.
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Definitely, about the filming. What's important is to know that the car is actually running with no warning lights on.

However, they tested the 2012 Pirellis on a 2011 car - sure they know the basic already but I think it can still be somewhat little unknown when they run it on a 2012 car. Should be a little or worse, really different datas being sent back to the telemetry.
 

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