HKS CT230R Tuner or Racer?

Tuner or Racer?

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Had this debate in a lobby the other day.

Is the HKS a tuning car or a racing car?

I would class it as a tuner for these simple reasons.

1) HKS is a tuning company, they sell and provide parts for tuned cars.

2) It doesn't feel like a race car. The handling feels more like that of a road going GT-R, with a bit more understeer.

3) The price tag is nothing like that of most racing cars. It's something like 200k .cr which is miles off any race car you can buy with an equal amount of power, the closest too it are the GT300 cars which are waaay less powerful (despite handling being fantastic)

4) It took part in the Tsukuba Super Lap TT. This was an event for tuned cars on sports tyres.


Anyone agree/disagree with my point?

Opinions Needed!

Thanks

Ryan
 
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It's the shell of an Evo wrapped around a custom chassis/etc. It's not a tuned version of anything.

Race Car.
 
I don't think that price is a valid factor in deciding whether a car is a race car or not.
 
I've always considered that GT5 classifies cars by their price most of the time. There is no way that some of the JGTC cars would be almost 5 times more expensive than the HKS unless GT5 considered there to be a big difference between them
 
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This car is about cr60K in the UCD and it'll beat just about any non-racecar around the track when it's fully tuned.

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This car is very slow and very expensive. It costs more than 10x more than the first one I showed. It's not a race car.


Price. Doesn't. Matter.
 
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It doesn't have working headlights and so on.

This is a race car, it is not road legal.
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👍 This. It is a purpose-built track car. The only things "tuner" about it are the company that made it and the outer-shell that resembles an EVO. It's no more of an EVO than a NASCAR is a Camry.
 
Tuners don't have to be road legal. Take drift cars. They have heap loads of power, when tuned right they can turn very well. They're nor race cars nor road cars.

The HKS to me falls into the same catagory as the mines skylines etc

+ Some cars are expensive for their novelty value and meaning (Samba bus, schwimmwagon)
 
Tuners are regular street cars which have been tuned. There's nothing regular about the HKS EVO. As was mentioned earlier, even the "headlights" are just decals.
 
GYMKHANA_RYAN4
I've always considered that GT5 classifies cars by their price most of the time. There is no way that some of the JGTC cars would be almost 5 times more expensive than the HKS unless GT5 considered there to be a big difference between them
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The prices for just about everything in GT5 are so stupid that there is no way to infer anything from them.

GYMKHANA_RYAN4
So why is it so cheap in comparison to any race car of similar performance figures


http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/07/01/car-feature-gt-gt-the-hks-ct230r-evo.aspx
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The link you provided even says that the car can only be called a tuner car because HKS built it; and goes on to mention that it was built partially to do publicity events against GT300 cars.
 
GYMKHANA_RYAN4
It said that the car has run a couple of test events against gt300 cars. Not partially built for it
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That is a pretty pedantic clarification considering we are talking about a car that is so bespoke and focused in its design that it doesn't even have working headlights. :rolleyes:

I also find it pretty hard to believe that it was a happy coincidence that HKS was able to set up several of those events after the fact.
 
General Opinion is against you I'm afraid. 18-4 at the time of posting. But I think this will divide opinion and you are beginning to stretch into the "my opinion is obviously right and no-one else can have a say" territory. This car quickly became an icon in Japan after the Tsukuba Super Laps record, hence people were curious to see how it would far in a one off GT300 race. I'm going to leave it at that for now
 
It's a tuner, it takes place in more races with fellow tuners than it does in normal races. If they wanted a race car, you would see this car as a GT300.
 
It's a purpose built Time Attack car that purely exists to beat everything else around Tsukuba. Not built to any racing category per se but definitely not streetable either...
 
Vitzio
It's a tuner, it takes place in more races with fellow tuners than it does in normal races. If they wanted a race car, you would see this car as a GT300.
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Vitzio, try to keep up with the conversation, buddy :dunce:

Toronado
The link you provided even says that the car can only be called a tuner car because HKS built it; and goes on to mention that it was built partially to do publicity events against GT300 cars.
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General Opinion is against you I'm afraid. 18-4 at the time of posting. But I think this will divide opinion and you are beginning to stretch into the "my opinion is obviously right and no-one else can have a say" territory. This car quickly became an icon in Japan after the Tsukuba Super Laps record, hence people were curious to see how it would far in a one off GT300 race. I'm going to leave it at that for now
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Opinions are irrelevant. We're talking about facts. The fact is that the HKS EVO is a purpose built track car. It's not a tuner. You're flat wrong and you are ignoring all of the evidence.
 
GYMKHANA_RYAN4
General Opinion is against you I'm afraid.
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I'd have to imagine that I simply don't care, because if I did care what popular opinion was I would have seen the poll results and kept my mouth shut.

GYMKHANA_RYAN4
18-4 at the time of posting.
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Wikiality.

GYMKHANA_RYAN4
But I think this will divide opinion and you are beginning to stretch into the "my opinion is obviously right and no-one else can have a say" territory.
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This is hilarious considering you started this thread under the guise of asking opinions, but have done nothing but fight with the people who disagree with you and ignore what they are saying.

You've only made one valid argument about why this isn't a race car:
It took part in Japanese time attacks (which may or may not be valid either, depending on what the regulations are for them. And considering the CT230R is most certainly not street legal, I can't imagine the regulations are particularly tight). You then produced a link that even specifically said that it can only be called a tuner car because HKS built it, carrying the obvious implication that otherwise it would be a race car.

Vitzio
It's a tuner, it takes place in more races with fellow tuners than it does in normal races. If they wanted a race car, you would see this car as a GT300.
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Yes. The 550HP, AWD CT230R would definitely be usable in GT300 competition.
 


Yes. The 550HP, AWD CT230R would definitely be usable in GT300 competition.[/QUOTE]


The power's in there for lap times, not for races. Which is why if it was a race car it would have lower horsepower. Am I making sense?
 
No, you're not at all. You might want to take a seat on the bench for this one, champ.
 
First off, the poll classification are incomplete. You should have said 'Road car' or 'Race car' as tuner doesnt necessarily imply 'road car'. You can have tuner road and tuner race-cars.

As for this, if its not road legal, then its not a road car. If I set up a room and specified 'road cars only' and someone picked this, I'd ask them to change it.
 
GYMKHANA_RYAN4
Tuners don't have to be road legal. Take drift cars. They have heap loads of power, when tuned right they can turn very well. They're nor race cars nor road cars.

The HKS to me falls into the same catagory as the mines skylines etc

+ Some cars are expensive for their novelty value and meaning (Samba bus, schwimmwagon)
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Blitz Skyline GTR is legal?

Doesn't GT5 filter out between race cars and road cars?
 
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