HKS CT230R Tuner or Racer?

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Well in reality it is a Time Attack car, it uses are track only, tuners are street/track driven, this car cannot be driven legally on a road anymore.
 
stanong11
Tuner Street Car- CT 200MR
Tuner Race Car- CT230R
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Hey, remember the 3 times in the past when you brought that car up as proof of something and you were told that the CT200MR was a completely different car than the CT230R and is thus irrelevant in this conversation? Yeah, nothing has changed since then.
 
Toronado
Hey, remember the 3 times in the past when you brought that car up as proof of something and you were told that the CT200MR was a completely different car than the CT230R and is thus irrelevant in this conversation? Yeah, nothing has changed since then.
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To you maybe. To me, no. I can bring out my point I'm sure. I just feel you chose to ignore it, that's all.
For your benefit of doubt, here's another link why I said, Ct200mr is a street version of CT230R.
And read please, also see the link, it's from HKS, tell them they are lying.
http://www.hks-power.co.jp/db/product/files/CT200MR/CATALOGweb_CT230MR.pdf

And I still stand by my point, CT230 R is placed in Tuner Car Category. No doubt it is a racing car, but calling it a racing car is too generic.

It was in HKS site what they called it a tuner.
Please be open minded enough, I didn't say it's not a race car now.
I just said, it should be classify under Tuner Category. And this is a racing version.
Must there be a black and white in everything? Why a tuner can't be a race car?
This car was based and built out from an evo. Stripped from the evo and fitted with after market parts, took part in races (time attack).
 
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CT230R is a race car but what about the CarbonR? Isn't it a time attack car as well? Doesn't have headlights and no race number. It's not streetable but is it a race car?
 
SlyckTires
If you were in a road car only lobby, you'd be somewhat aggrieved if you were being beaten by somebody in one.
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I wouldn't say it would be allowed in a 'road car only' lobby,

I think the point we're all arguing is whether or not it should be allowed in a 'No race car' lobby
 
kurlee
CT230R is a race car but what about the CarbonR? Isn't it a time attack car as well? Doesn't have headlights and no race number. It's not streetable but is it a race car?
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I consider the CarbonR R34 in the same league of the CT230R. This car is stripped too much to be considered road legal. Design for track use only.
 
A Carbon R is about as close to an actual Skyline as most race cars... It's built as a demonstration of technology, but it was also built specifically for time attacks.

GYMKHANA_RYAN4
I wouldn't say it would be allowed in a 'road car only' lobby,

I think the point we're all arguing is whether or not it should be allowed in a 'No race car' lobby
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It shouldn't.
 
stanong11
Tuner Street Car- CT 200MR
Tuner Race Car- CT230R
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Which is all true. The CT230R is a tuner car that isn't a street/track car. All of the needed parts to make it still road legal has been removed for the weight reductions and body/aerodynamics and yes, it may look like a Evo, but the body has been completely redesign for more track only use. There's no headlights for driving at night that's proof also included for everyone that the CT23 like the Carbon R, Cyber Evo and the AEM S2000 that they are tuner cars, but only track use.

And what is a CT200MR? Can someone tell me cause I never heard about it. :confused:
 
Thanks stanog11, that really helped in filling the puzzle. :D:tup:

And from comparing this to a CT23, this is more of a street/track tuner here than the CT by looking at these facts..

It's built from a stock Evo9.

Has work done to the engine and chassis/suspension which is street legal and track legal.

Has headlights.

And the body is designed in a multiple useage for the street, track and a show piece in its own right.

Which proves the CT230R is a "pure" tuner car for the track only.
 
You're nuts if you think this thing is street legal just because of what it's built from & has some working head lights.
 
Great car, but as said, this car isnt street legal like a Mine's BNR 34. Its a race car. The only time you saw this on the street, was when it broke a record @ Tokyo route street circuit.
 
Street legality doesn't mean it's a race car or not. I can find plenty of non-street legal cars that wouldn't be race cars, and likewise I'm sure I could find a race car that's street legal.
 
Cars have evolved in a way that means they are no longer just shopping trolleys, work commutes, freedom, sport or hobbies etc etc.

The purposes cars are used for differs greatly from years ago, individual models of cars are much more defined as to their purpose. The modified car scene and track day scene has also evolved greatly to. Trying to 'pin labels' on every single car that's been made (or even just in GT5) is at times, going to be difficult. Owing to the evolution experienced, there is far greater cross over in the purposes and types of cars aswell as the uses of a single car.

I voted 'racecar' as the HKS230R's primary function was to race (against the clock), in an offical event, on a track. Plus the actual build of the car (in terms of technology, modifications, safety, performance, materials and style of build - lightening, stengthening etc etc) also IMO defined racecar.

Time Attack is it's primary purpose, yes it's also a PR machine / tool aswell, but it was built to do the majority of it's PR within an offically organised series / event on a race track.
 
freedomweasel
Street legality doesn't mean it's a race car or not. I can find plenty of non-street legal cars that wouldn't be race cars, and likewise I'm sure I could find a race car that's street legal.
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Somewhere in the UK there is a Porsche 917-30 that is licensed for the road. These were outlawed as race cars in the mid 70's due to the large engine sizes and over 1,000 hp. New rules forced teams/manufacturers to build cars with less hp.

Way back when . . . If a car was going to be a street car (production car) the manufacturer had to make at least 100 of the type and actually sell them at dealerships. Anthing less than that makes them race cars. These cars could be raced in A Production, B Production etc. The Shelby Cobra was one such car. It was built to race, but due to the requirements at the time they had to build 100 of the cars and sell them through the Ford Dealerships. Only a few had the full factory modifications though (50+). And then they received more modifications before hitting the tracks. But they were tuner cars ;)

A tuner car started as a street car and has been modified to some extent. That means there were at least 100 built by the manufacturer. If I read/remember the first few pages correctly. The CTR230R had an EVO body over a different chassis. This alone removes the car form a production standpoint and places it closer to a race car and farther from what could be called a tuner car.

A race car is built from the ground up for a specific purpose. It sounds like the CT230R was one of those purpose built cars, even if it meets some tuner car rules. Did it have it's original factory panels cut out, or were they ever there at the start of the build process?
 
SlyckTires
Just wanted to say that this turned up in the Tuner Championship, last time I ran it. I was using an M3 GTR.
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It doesn't really matter what Championship it turns up in. They don't consider the Nomad Diablo eligible for the SuperGT races. :dunce:
 
GT5 "thinks" that the CT230R is a tuner.
- Price (260000 Cr)
- Stock tires (sport soft)
- It appears as an AI car in tuner championships/races
But in reality it's a race car.

Also, for a car to be tuner it must be eligible for the road which the CT230R isn't.
It's a purpose built time trial car based on Lancer by HKS (time trial = race against time).

Just repeating what I've written several pages before.
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McLaren
It doesn't really matter what Championship it turns up in. They don't consider the Nomad Diablo eligible for the SuperGT races. :dunce:
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NOMAD isn't a Lamborghini.
Mini Cooper is a german car.
Ford Focus is american.

GT5's correct. 👍
/sarcasm
 
Villain
Wait, what? :confused:
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The focus, or at least some of them, in GT5 are all European cars, not sold in the US. The ST is due to arrive in the US next year, but the rest of them are all European cars built by Ford of Europe, for Europeans, on a different platform than the US spec Focus. There isn't much "American" about it. Despite that, GT5 calls it an American car.
 
freedomweasel
The focus, or at least some of them, in GT5 are all European cars, not sold in the US. The ST is due to arrive in the US next year, but the rest of them are all European cars built by Ford of Europe, for Europeans, on a different platform than the US spec Focus. There isn't much "American" about it. Despite that, GT5 calls it an American car.
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Ford is an american manufacturer started by an american sooo GT5 is correct.
 

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