How can we fix F1?

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I didn't say break the laws of physics, I said warp, meaning to bend, to adjust, to make them work for you so you can go ridiculously fast. If that isn't a description of what F1 cars do I don't know what is. And Kimi has only been proven to move at warp 3, Mclaren Mercedes is working on their next gen warp 5 drive for next year.

By the way, the inverted U thing, don't think thats gonna happen, if somebody can safely transverse the inner side, theyre all gonna do it. And you'd need a hell of a huge track to make that work.
 
thank god no one important is reading this thread we'd all be banned from watching f1 ever again. seriously this is getting stupid. can we get some mature ideas please.

i highly support the idea of bringing back wider cars and the full slick tires. i dont think they should take away much more aero though.
 
Fine, forget the stupid stuff, I said that before. Wider cars, Slicks, those are good things. But they have got to take away the dependency on front downforce for passing. I like the idea of going back to mechanical grip, but give them a strictly regulated ground effects package so everybody has the same aero and the chassis set up is what makes the diff.
 
the idea of a max aero limit is rather good if they can inforce it. limiting the cars to a max number and letting the teams do what they like.
 
give them a strictly regulated ground effects package so everybody has the same aero and the chassis set up is what makes the diff.
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Yay, F1 will be almost a spec series! Woo! :yuck:

Blake
 
well as we see there is one really fast team this year and there was one really fast team last year. i'm not saying it has to be extream but its just the way it is if we want to see closer racing.
 
I agree, thats where the problem is, how do they minimize Aerodynamic advantage, while allowing mechanical engineering freedom? F1 is about freedom of design, but without limits on Aero, were gonna see cars that can go 500kph but cant get within a hundred meters of one another. I am all for passing, anybody have any better ideas?
 
i say widen the cars again, bring back full slicks, allow a lower ride height and minimize downforce to about 60% of what it is now.
 
pSI civic
well as we see there is one really fast team this year and there was one really fast team last year. i'm not saying it has to be extream but its just the way it is if we want to see closer racing.
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F1 is closer to a spec series now than it ever has been – but there has always been times when a car is leaps and bounds above everything else:

In 1950 (the first year of Formula 1) the championship looked like this:
1. G. Farina (Alfa Romeo) – 30
2. J. Fangio (Alfa Romeo) – 27
3. L. Fagioli (Alfa Romeo) – 24
4. L. Rosier (Talbot) - 13

One car in the top 3, and the next driver had roughly half the points of each of the Alfa drivers.

Same deal in 1952, Ferrari had the top 4 positions in the championship. Ditto 1955, Mercedes had the top 2 positions with ease.

It’s the same thoughout F1s history, in the late-80s/early-90s McLaren got 1-2 in the championship twice running and won it 4 times running.

There has been cars dominating seasons throughout F1 since the beggining. You see this as a problem in F1 … but it’s been happening for 50 years. That’s much of what F1 is, a technological battle, if you take that aspect away you’ve got Champ Car.

Blake
 
pSI civic
i didnt say take it all away. just make it closer. you cant have more passing when a car is 3 seconds faster a lap.
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Like hell you can’t. Why do you define passing as being for the lead?

Blake
 
isnt that where most of us are focused? i dont care much if 18th place passes 17th. i do care though if 4th passes 3rd or 2nd passes 1st.
 
pSI civic
isnt that where most of us are focused? i dont care much if 18th place passes 17th. i do care though if 4th passes 3rd or 2nd passes 1st.
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Why not? Some of the best scraps are for 10th and worse.

Blake
 
I concur with pSi Civic. Nobody cares if a backmarker passes a backmarker. It's about evening the field. I'd like to see 7 or 8 different winners a season instead of 3 or 4 from 2 manufacturers. Yeah they have to restrict this or that, but racing is important, and I'm sick of seeing NASCAR on Sunday dominating everything. Hell even German TV covers NASCAR now, and they have Schumi as theyre headliner. Whats up with that?
 
pSI civic
i suppose so. so what does the all mighty blake think of my idea i said up there a few posts about what to do?
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Personally, for me F1 would be good if they lowered the front wing so they could take advantage on GE more, put the cars on slicks, and go to a 2.4 litre V8 with no engine penalties.

Blake
 
pSI civic
i didnt say take it all away. just make it closer. you cant have more passing when a car is 3 seconds faster a lap.
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But wait...wait...weren't you the one debating with me the exact opposite a few days ago. You were convinced just because one car is 3 seconds a lap fast that it can't get around another in front of it....
 
I guess none of you on this page except for Blake and Kensei have seen Dijon '79, then.
 
James2097
I want a massive long straight that looks like a sideways "U" as a cross section (like a C, but shaped like a U). A wide, flat track both regular, AND inverted. That way we can have two drivers racing each other, one directly over the top of the other one, looking down and giving him the "bird", top gun style. Wouldn't that rock?

It would be more dangerous to take the upside down route, but you would go faster down the entire straight because you could take a straighter line out of the preceding corner to line yourself up to go upside down. AWESOME.

And have a big stand for people to watch on the open side of the "U", that way its an awesome spectacle!
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I thought of this before. It wouldn't work. You'd have to have a HUGE curve in that U, and even if you did, gravity you own your ass. Too small a curve, and your speed is too greatly impared (and the drivers trip blackouts big time), so the car falls off from gravity, and there is no grip, and, therefore, no thrust at the tires.

Basically, Upside down track would be great if the cars were jet powered, or didn't generate thrust through the wheels.
 
Clutchman83
I concur with pSi Civic. Nobody cares if a backmarker passes a backmarker. It's about evening the field. I'd like to see 7 or 8 different winners a season instead of 3 or 4 from 2 manufacturers.
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That kind of anti-competition crap is exactly what's ruining F1. Evening the field, good greif.

Let's just make everyone build exactly the same car, so that the only thing different between the cars is the driver... oh wait that's NASCAR and that sucks.

The WHOLE FRIGGIN POINT of Formula 1 is to race the fastest cars in the world. That means letting the manufacturers free to do what they can to make the car faster. It means making the field uneven. Evening the field means preventing manufacturers from gaining an advantage - at which point they will stop trying to gain an advantage (because you'd stop them). The result -> death of Formula 1.

Even the field, holy crap.
 
pSI civic
i'd like to see the front wing lower as well. no one likes more understeer.
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Slow the cars down then. Understeer is a consequence of driving into a corner too fast.

danoff
Let's just make everyone build exactly the same car, so that the only thing different between the cars is the driver... oh wait that's NASCAR and that sucks.
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And A1GP, which doesn't.
 
pSI civic
isnt that where most of us are focused? i dont care much if 18th place passes 17th. i do care though if 4th passes 3rd or 2nd passes 1st.
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pSI civic
but it makes it harder for some drivers to get points thus making things in the back even more boring.
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So what do you want? One day you say you don’t want things at the back to be boring – the next day you say you don’t care what the hell happens at the back!

Which is it?

Blake
 
to clairify i was talking about the mid pack not the exact back. the back of the points chase if you will. i ment i dont care much if minardi pass jordan or the other way around. the true back.
 
here is an idea. the races are mostly 305km. how about they make them about 450km, make the engines only have to last for one race weekend allow soft tires for quali let the teams do what they like with fuel loads and allow tire changes once per race.
 
pSI civic
here is an idea. the races are mostly 305km. how about they make them about 450km, make the engines only have to last for one race weekend allow soft tires for quali let the teams do what they like with fuel loads and allow tire changes once per race.
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Why do races need to be any longer? You keep bring this up. Many are already painful to watch because they are too longer. F1 isn't endurance racing, nor should it be.
 
it would give fans that can sit and watch it something more to see, would make it harder on the teams and the longer race distance would push for more reliabilty and the sponsers would get more air time on tv.
 
pSI civic
it would give fans that can sit and watch it something more to see
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Have you ever actually been to a GP? Trust me there is plenty to see and do.

pSI civic
would make it harder on the teams and the longer race distance would push for more reliabilty
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F1 ins't endurance racing. This insane two races per engine rule already makes it hard on the teams.


pSI civic
and the sponsers would get more air time on tv.
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Minimal, I doubt this would matter at all.

Here is an example. NASCAR. Like the race they had tonight. The damn thing went on for over FOUR HOURS. Now I'm at best a NASCAR fan in passing, I don't follow it that closely but have a driver or two I like and will watch a race time to time. I've never ever watch a full NASCAR race. I jsut can't take it. They are too long. I know many diehard NASCAR fans that feel the same way.
 

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