How do I drift faster/more aggressively?

[TylerLoveday]

So I have noticed a lot that whenever I get into a lobby people are always on my butt or just flying right by me. I am a little new to drifting still, but have definitely been putting in some time and I am comfortable in my car.
I know I can't go into a hairpin at 100mph yet even when I am just cruising through one at low 40s I'm still getting passed.
How do I go faster through drifts?

 

[BolverkGTM]

It's all about the tuning and tires being used. I can take hairpins sideways at 50-60 MPH on Sports Softs in my FC3S. I have to say that fast drifting is a toughie. At higher speeds, you're at a greater risk of the car swinging straight into the opposite direction due to the large amount of momentum behind the car.

If you want some advice for high speed drifting, since you have more momentum behind you in a fast drift, you'll actually have to counter steer a lot less than you think. Common mistake in first time drifting at high speeds is applying the amount of counter steer that you would apply to a slower drift through, say, a hairpin. If you apply that much counter steer, you're going to get acquainted with the outside wall really quick.

With that said, if you drift into a wider corner at about 80-100 MPH, only apply just enough counter steer to keep the car from going completely sideways. As you're exiting the corner, stop counter steering and manipulate the throttle into making the car straighten itself out. I hope this helps!

EDIT: Also keep in mind that the "slow in, fast out" rule still applies in drifting. Don't become one of those people that think they can neglect the most basic rules of race driving by drifting. You can't. All rules of racing still apply and knowing how to apply them in drifting will help you become faster and better in the corners.

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

if you see people flying by they're either on softer tires or have more HP, also keeping your front bumper on the apex is much quicker than taking wider lines or getting crazy angle in the middle of the track, and of course shifting into a lower gear like 4th or 5th will give you more speed, as long as you don't have too much to where you can't make the exit.

 

[Darkrage1138]

Admins please delete. In fact please delete ALL my posts prior to AUG 17 2014.....

 

[Bluntified]

the first part is a lie, some people can simply go faster by using lest countersteer.

I wouldn't call it a lie, at least half the people online use grippier tires than others to get that extra bit of speed to keep up with others. I see all kinds of people using sport tires to drift a small track with hairpins, mainly to keep up with the pack (except a few exceptions).

To the op, there are many ways some people seem faster. Some people start their drift later than others, have grip tires, much faster car, and less angle, just to name the most common ones.

My advice to you would be to make sure you keep a smooth line. Most of the techniques for racing (ie; line, speed etc.) still apply to drifting. If your all over the place, you're not going to be that fast.

What kind of car do you use by the way? What tires do you use? These are all things that will affect your drift.

 

[shmogt]

People usually suck online. They drift like 60% of the track and just speed down everything. Just focus on your own thing and keeping your drifts clean. Eventually some pros will see you and want to drift with you.

 

[Stavingo]

I could only suggest less angle in turns and feather the throttle a bit more.

 

[whitelabelboy]

Im also finding this problem online. I can slow down loads compared to other drifters and I go sideways off the track, where as they increase speed and drift straight round. Ive even been given exact copies of cars and I still find my self having to go so much slower. Its obviously somthing im doing wrong.

 

[LittleZippyUK]

In your head say, it's only a game and not real life. So throw it o in there and hope for the best like I do. I tandemed with a 1000hp Viper at Deep Forest in my little MX5 before. He did slow on the straight bits but was massive fun!

 

[Stavingo]

I guess another tip for slightly faster drifting if you're focussing on speed is that you should use the weight of the car to slow it down, like using a feint drift and slightly dab the brakes instead of initiating with a braking drift.

If you're main focus is on speed, try and think differently of how to slow the car down and think how to keep the car on a higher speed throughout the corner.

 

[TylerLoveday]

Thanks everyone for the advice. I will definitely try out more set ups with wheels and apply better driving techniques with drifting.

I thought that the only tires that people used were comfort hards and I can definitely tell a difference just going to the mediums.
The only car I usually drift with is my Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX TT (Z32) '89 with comfort hards.

 

[BolverkGTM]

I thought that the only tires that people used were comfort hards and I can definitely tell a difference just going to the mediums.

Most people do use Comfort Hards, yeah. Some people actually frown upon the use of anything else and I really don't know why... In my honest opinion, that's like shunning somebody for how they tie their shoes.

I'll personally use any tires from Comfort Hard to Sports Softs, depending on whether I'm drifting for show or want to go fast. I usually default to Comfort Mediums for show drifting, though.

The only car I usually drift with is my Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX TT (Z32) '89 with comfort hards.

That's a pretty good choice. I mainly used a 300ZX for a while, but my loyalty to rotary engines brought me back to the FC and FD eventually. One big problem that I found with the 300ZX is it's tendency to understeer. You would have to correct that by looking into some tunes for it or just messing with the LSD and (possibly, I wouldn't jump straight to this one) the suspension.

 

[TylerLoveday]

Most people do use Comfort Hards, yeah. Some people actually frown upon the use of anything else and I really don't know why... In my honest opinion, that's like shunning somebody for how they tie their shoes.

I'll personally use any tires from Comfort Hard to Sports Softs, depending on whether I'm drifting for show or want to go fast. I usually default to Comfort Mediums for show drifting, though.



That's a pretty good choice. I mainly used a 300ZX for a while, but my loyalty to rotary engines brought me back to the FC and FD eventually. One big problem that I found with the 300ZX is it's tendency to understeer. You would have to correct that by looking into some tunes for it or just messing with the LSD and (possibly, I wouldn't jump straight to this one) the suspension.

Thank you. I'll continue to tweak the tuning.

What are FC and FD?

 

[JrDarknes]

Thank you. I'll continue to tweak the tuning.

What are FC and FD?

FC is the Mazda Rx-7 Savanna 86-90

FD is the Mazda Rx-7 Efini 91-99 I think they made spirits in 02

 

[sparkozz]

As said above keep your own pace if someone if flying by u that most likey mean they have more hp and/or better tires... comfort h/s tires are the best...


PRACTICE!

 

[sidewaysfordays]

If you spend alot of time in drift mode offline, then you've realised that the line you have to take in order to get the most points isn't very fast. You have to hug the inside super late and then transition right over to the inside of the next turn. Almost as if you're late apexing every turn(most noticable on suzuka east). A faster line would be to make your transition right between two connecting turns. Also tune your gears so you can be full throttle for more of the corner. If you get your weight transfers just right you may not even have to lift in transition.

Hope that all made sense and good luck!

 

[Darkrage1138]

Admins please delete. Even when I tried to apologize they thought I was starting another fight *-_-

 

[Bluntified]

stop poisoning people with the comfort tire nonsense..... any tires work it is simply that higher traction tires require more natural aggression into corners and more precise timing. Comfort tires have so little grip the countersteer and power are merely there to assist.

Isn't that drifting? What the hell have I been doing all this time??

I also wouldn't call it merely, you need way more precision with less grip. Steering and throttle control is very crucial with comfort hard tires.

I find sports grade and higher way to grippy, the car practically drives itself. You don't have to worry about spinning out, sliding out etc. With CH tires, you have to control every aspect of the car to get around the corner, no aides to fall back on (ie; grip).

Also, enlighten us on how stating ones opinion is poison?

 

[Darkrage1138]

Admins please delete, to this day I still don't understand how they think grippy tires are easier to drift on. ._.

 

[Bluntified]

all drift cars understeer. but i do agree about it completely.

^ first is because on sport soft you have to worry about front tire rebound and use a lot of acel control and brake control, second is that everyone on GTP seems to think CH are best, simply they are most used and easiest to drift. It is my belief that less people drift sport soft because it is harder

I think you have it backwards

There's also a whole thread discussing this HERE.

 

[twitcher]

all drift cars understeer. but i do agree about it completely.

^ first is because on sport soft you have to worry about front tire rebound and use a lot of acel control and brake control, second is that everyone on GTP seems to think CH are best, simply they are most used and easiest to drift. It is my belief that less people drift sport soft because it is harder

You can believe whatever you want dude, that doesn't mean it's anything close to true.

I'm curious to actually see you drift, and see what you consider drifting. Because if you think sports tires require more throttle and brake control than comforts, I think we are playing two completely different games.

I'd also be curious to see you try and tandem through any of the D1 or Formula D sections (either the real ones, or made up ones), and maintain a consistant drift through the whole section. I would also be interested to see how you drift through some of the high speed sectors we have, like the three corners leading to the hairpin on GVS, or all of GVS East Reverse.

You seem to have a lot to say on the subject of tires, and you make very grandiose claims that you are doing the same drifts on sport tires that everyone else is doing on comforts, but I'm not sure anyone has actually seen you drift.

I'm not going to go to the effort of finding it for you, but I think you need to go on YouTube and look up Sai's video about drifting on different tire compounds.

It would also be interesting to see what you actual speeds through corners are when you are drifting on sports tires. Many people forget that the sense of speed in GT5 is not exactly the greatest, so it wouldn't surprise me if you are drifting at unrealistically high speeds.

 

[ProtegeDrifter]

The only three things you have to do:

Learn how to tune (In detail what every little change does) 1-2 days
Learn how to control your car (Being able to place it where you want to) 2 days-1 month
Focus on nothing but drifting (Block out everything else) 1hour-til however long it takes you to get rid of your ADHD

 

[nandaro]

How do I drift faster/more aggressively? there are so many factors that result in this outcome: car, hp, tranny setup, and tires and drivetrain.
drifting is not completely about speed (prbbly gonna get burned for this) but more about angle and finesse.
on your first post you mentioned that people fly just by you, there is a big chance they have grippier tires like comfort softs, or sports--------> thats a whole other topic.
So if you want to drift faster:
get a faster car, higher bhp
Polish your technique
get grippier tires

at the end of the day it all dependes on your style, i mostly drift rwd with CH and stock tranny, that would be my 300zx TT '98 2by2

 

[Darkrage1138]

Admins remove please.

 

[MSTER232]

if you see people flying by they're either on softer tires or have more HP, also keeping your front bumper on the apex is much quicker than taking wider lines or getting crazy angle in the middle of the track, and of course shifting into a lower gear like 4th or 5th will give you more speed, as long as you don't have too much to where you can't make the exit.

When you reach a certain bhp level, it doesn't actually matter how much BHP the car has. If you add too much BHP then the car will be totally uncontrollable and will drift slower. Your suspension setup can also help you drift faster or slower depending on what you have for your suspension settings. And at least for me I find that shifting down a gear when drifting can make recovering from reverse entries a lot easier since you force the rear tyres to spin slower, making the front ones spin faster in comparison.

 

[Stavingo]

I don't tandem i drift in touge, i don't care about D1 so i don't have to prove myself in your area. prove you can outrun a touge driver and i'll prove i can get massive angle oh and i run an entire series of touge so lots of people have seen me drift :/

besides we have gone off topic. if it's that important to you then bring it to PM's

on topic. less countersteer if done correct can mean more speed and precision.

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[HaYaBuSa1340rR]

It would also be interesting to see what you actual speeds through corners are when you are drifting on sports tires. Many people forget that the sense of speed in GT5 is not exactly the greatest, so it wouldn't surprise me if you are drifting at unrealistically high speeds.

True that man... drifting at 100mph+ is stupid unrealistic. I mean... have you even been sideways for real at 70+ mph? Its actually quite sketchy...

This video is a perfect example of that... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn2UmH-UFW0)... they are struggling to get angle and they are only touching 75-80mph.... and those are purpose built drift cars.

I don't tandem i drift in touge, i don't care about D1 so i don't have to prove myself in your area. prove you can outrun a touge driver and i'll prove i can get massive angle oh and i run an entire series of touge so lots of people have seen me drift :/

Dude... anybody can take a 905hp Corvette zr1 on racing softs... yank the e-brake, mash the gas, get sideways and bring it back... its not hard. What is hard is linking the corners together and running inches away from another car flawlessly. Tandem drifting IS drifting... if you cant tandem...your not 🤬. It takes 1,000,000 times more talent to run with another car. Anybody can drift when they are by there lonesome.... its when you put somebody next to them that you find out what they are really made of.

I just dont understand how you can say that Sports softs are harder to drift... a bit more touchy... perhaps... but harder.. i dont think so. CH tires require more than just a lead foot and an e-brake unlike your sports tires. They take finesse... control...and precision... not e-break, throttle, pray. I would love to see you try and tandem on CH tires and see if that dosent humble you... i mean... if CH tires are soooo easy... ... I bet you cant drift the ENTIRE last corner at Tsukuba on your sports tires... in fact... i know you cant... because long corners like that are your enemy. You catch grip o' about 3/4 the way through the corner and lose angle and straighten out or you pinch down and cut of the person your drifting with and send him into the wall. Watch that video i linked up above... i would venture to say that's touge drifting.. now do you see 2 cars side by side... smoke poring out of the rear? No.. you see cars struggling to get any angle at 75-80mph.

You are exactly the guy that the OP is talking about. Hes drifting.. minding his own.... then all of a sudden... he gets BLOWN past by someone on way softer tires... and he's stuck thinking its a technique problem when actually the difference is the amount of grip.

I hate how the vast percentage of American's dont understand the point of this sport... (just like the vast amount of people from other nations dont understand Nascar) There is sooooo much more to drifting than just 600hp pile of scaffolding getting sideways at 60mph. Drifting is about the Beauty of a car (or cars) sideways. Jeremy Clarkson has a quote that embodies real drifting... "Thats the thing about this car (SLS AMG)... you can hurl it about... smoke poring from the rear end... and your going unbelievably slow.. but with a massive smile on your face. That... is the AMG way."

That is drifting. Drifting isent about the start of the finish.. its about the smoothness of the journey in between.

 

[twitcher]

I don't tandem i drift in touge, i don't care about D1 so i don't have to prove myself in your area. prove you can outrun a touge driver and i'll prove i can get massive angle oh and i run an entire series of touge so lots of people have seen me drift :/

besides we have gone off topic. if it's that important to you then bring it to PM's

on topic. less countersteer if done correct can mean more speed and precision.

To quote Ant..."you can't be serious"....

First things first, let me say I'm nt bashing touge. I like touge, I think it's awesome, I wish there was more of it in the GT series...the track I want added the most out of any is the Irohozaka Touge.

BUT!

That said, touge is not drifting. Hate to brake it to ya, but it's the truth. There are similarities, and common origins between touge and drifting, but they are not the same, at all!

Touge is like any other form of auto racing, it's about speed. Drifting is not.

I am completely dumbfounded that you think you can make a statement like "drifting on CH is easy", and then go on to say that you don't even drift. If you are a touge racer and not a tandem drifter, how the hell can you make statements about what is easy/hard about drifting.

You said show drifting and D1/FD doesn't interest you. That's fine, it's not for everyone. But since you are saying D1 isn your thing, I have to assume that you haven't really spent much time trying to tandem through any of the D1 sections. If you had, you would understand why we use comfort tires.

I'm not tryin to say you need to drift the D1 sections to prove anything to anyone. I'm saying you should try it, because I think it will help you understand why we use comfort tires.

It is nearly impossible to cleanly tandem through any D1 style section on sports tires. And I'm talking about two cars, two different cars, with different HP, tandeming a D1 section, getting big angle, maintaining consistant angle (consistency of the angle is just as important as the degree of angle), all while being mere inches away from one another. Show me people who can consistently do that on sports tires, and I'll show you pigs that can fly.

The other reason we use comfort tires is for the realism. It has been determined by many different people that in GT5, comfort tires most closely resemble a standard street tire. Since street tires are what is used for drifting IRL, we use them in the game as well.

Comfort tires mimicking street tires is also why comfort tires are used in GT Academy.

Anyways, like I said, I have nothing against touge...but don't come in here, telling people that drifting CH is easy, and that sports tires are better for drifting, when you're not actually talking about drifting....

You might as well have answered the OP's question like this:

Q - "how do I drift faster/more aggressively?"
A - "use an X1 on racing soft...you'll be way faster!"

 

[D-Max]

It boils down realistically to a small list of things that determine your speed in a drift.

1. The drive-train and engine positioning of the car.So the car overall is a factor.
2. Your horsepower. if you have 1000hp the chances are you are more likely to spin the wheels which means you're not necesarilly faster, you're just better at dropping your grip levels. hence why Viper SRT10 ACR and ZR1 are just stupid cars.
3. Aerodynamics. the ZR1 and SRT10 ACR have a reasonably higher downforce number when at max which can allow a greater drifting pace.
4. The cars tyre width. Mainly the reason that Vipers, Vettes and the Ford GT are faster cars usually.
5. Your personal tune. you can increase the speed by playing around here and there and just making the car more controlable which in turn will allow more speed.
6. Last but not least, YOUR OWN ABILITY

Almost forgot, how you approach and exit the corner play a massive part aswell. It's something that you will learn over time, you can't just go out and do it I guess.

 

[pergatory]

Assuming you have the same tires, it's all technique & tuning. A lot of tunings out there are surprisingly unbalanced, and the result will be that you can keep the car sideways but it will be slow because you can't effectively put much power down. You can try fiddling with the settings to improve this. Start by eliminating any toe you have, positive or negative. That's the most frequent mistake I see is using heavy toe angles. I don't think toe has any place in drifting honestly, although I've heard people have some success with a few degrees of toe-out on the rear. Personally I feel it makes the car less predictable so I don't like it. LSD settings can make a significant difference, too. With the accel setting close to locking (60) you will be able to put down the most power. Spring rate is the most important setting, but I'm not going to get into it here because it varies so much from car to car and based on driver preference, too. Suffice to say you don't want it too low or it'll cost you speed and responsiveness, but you don't want it too high or it will be hard to transition the car's weight when entering a drift or transitioning between two corners. Don't be afraid to experiment with these settings, just make sure you save previous ones in case you need to go back.

In terms of technique, a lot of it comes down to the line you take through the corner. If you're in the middle of the track and they're at the inside edge, they're going to be going much faster than you. Angle shouldn't make a huge difference to speed, but it will cost you time in transitions between corners, and in corner entries/exits, if the other drivers are not setting up for the corner as early as you or are straightening out at the corner exit rather than continuing the drift.

Also, people who think comfort tires are harder to drift than sports tires need to put down the crack pipe. It's hard not to drift with comfort tires. That's like saying it's harder to blow bubbles in soap than water.