How does ASR work?

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iridegravity

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Consider myself a pretty quick driver. Any time I get beat I check to see if the person uses aids or whatever since I don't. Was getting beat the other day by a guy using ASR only. When does ASR kick in and what does it do? This guy was one of the quickest I have seen ever and was just wondering why he would have been using ASR. He was able to drive the Yellow Bird in shuffle mode without TCS and did not spin the tires in front of me once. Seemed almost impossible to me. What gives? I have played around with the TC in shuffle to test and a setting of 5 still smokes tires on the beast cars. This guy was getting the power down everywhere. ASR can achieve that?

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Please stick to info about the Aids, not your opinion on whether it's ok to use them. Who cares who uses them and who doesn't and who's OK with it and who's not. People drive what they like.
 
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I think you mean ASM. Active Stability Management.
ASM is the strongest of the aids. It helps prevent you spinning out (oversteer). If you start to spin out, it cuts power. It's an advanced TCS and LSD. Normally, it should slow you down big time, especially in the tail-happy YellowBird. He may be very used to it, and gets the most out of it.
 
DDAAVVIIDD82
A good tune can't hurt either. ASM kicks in where the tune falls short.
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My Furai is tuned in a weird way that it is REALLY agile but with a great increase in instability, I HAVE to use aids to keep the car on the track.
 
Jubby
I think you mean ASM. Active Stability Management.
ASM is the strongest of the aids. It helps prevent you spinning out (oversteer). If you start to spin out, it cuts power. It's an advanced TCS and LSD. Normally, it should slow you down big time, especially in the tail-happy YellowBird. He may be very used to it, and gets the most out of it.
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thanks
 
GT5FREAK500
Why are driving aids so frowned upon on GTP??
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Think of it as "auto-aim" for a first - person shooter. You are taking a critical part of the game, control, and making it as dull and easy as possible. its lame

I usually don't hate on people for using them, because I race with a steering wheel, which is night and day difference in terms of car control, and that gives me an advantage...

But, the Furai, is a rediculous easy-handling car in the game, its very light, has lots of downforce, and if my memory serves, not much more than 500 bhp. Its easy to drive, and him claiming he "NEEDS" aids to drive it, well, makes him a noob in my eyes.

FWIW I race online, no aids. LMP, supergt, whatever you want, you don't need aids. the sooner you realize it the better
 
GT5FREAK500
Why are driving aids so frowned upon on GTP??
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Because people/noobs do stupid stuff with it on all the time. Stuff they don't even recognize. They will ram into you into a corner thinking it's fine when it actually isn't. Because when someone hits them, the computer management system calculates for them and they keep car control. Someone driving at the limit without tcs, well he's a gonner if you swipe him to hard.

Causes people to play the game on entirely different levels of control.

It's a known fact that TCS off is faster so anyone using it is seen as...

1.a cheater if you find a way to win with it
2.Someone to lazy to bother getting good at this game
3. a noob
more or less

kind of a lose lose so get off the TC if you can.
 
Thats such a stereotype. Running with TCS on is fine, Some people aren't serious gamers they just like to have some fun on a videogame. and playing with the TCS off on a DS3 isn't as easy as on a wheel. and how is it cheating if you win with it??
 
GT5FREAK500
Thats such a stereotype. Running with TCS on is fine, Some people aren't serious gamers they just like to have some fun on a videogame. and playing with the TCS off on a DS3 isn't as easy as on a wheel. and how is it cheating if you win with it??
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I dont find a problem with it at all...

And its classed as cheating by the people who lost whilst not using TC, just simply another whinge by people who lose.
 
GT5FREAK500
Why are driving aids so frowned upon on GTP??
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Because people (who hate on it) want to beat their chest over how great they are because they don't use any, and so by contrast anyone who does use them is a "noob" who is doing something nearly like 'cheating'.

Some of the responses here demonstrate that.

Mercedes-Benz cars will not let you turn the TCS completey off. Jeremy Clarkson has complained about that countless times. Turning it off will take a person further away from simulating that vehicle. Nearly every modern car has ABS - you can not turn ABS off. If you modify the vehicle to strip it of ABS (IRL) you will be changing much of the braking system in the process (because it's only done for race vehicles, so you will be upgrading other thins as well). There again, turning it off in the game for a car that is otherwise stock is more of a "game" and less of a "sim".

People can call me a noob for using ABS and/or TCS if it makes them feel better, but I make sure to turn it off for every car that didn't actually have it. - and one of my favorite cars is the Cobra.

What is funny is that, in the many times this notion has come up (elsewhere on this forum), the same group that's hating on the 'aids' is also saying that they slow you down. Well.... let people slow themselves down then and just beat them. Where's the problem? (rhetorical)
 
I can see why people use aids, some cars are just hard for them to control without it. The key is experience and practice, the more you drive without aids the better you will get at it. For people who want to be as competitive online as possible but aren't experienced enough to race aid free, it's the only option. If they can cleanly win against people with a wheel and no aids good on them.

The thing that people assume is aids=noob. I dispute this. Tell me, how many of you guys golded the vettel challenge without ABS? You used what you needed, to do the best you could, which is no different to people that use other aids online.

I do agree in part with previous posters, the less aids the better when it comes to speed but if someone makes the decision that they need them, so be it. If I lose to them, i'll take the loss. If these people wanted to improve their speed in the long time, I would advise them to turn off the aids. But if they are new to the game or have found a way to be quick with aids on, good for them.

P.S. Well done if you did gold Vettel with no aids.
 
DrkPhnyx
Because people (who hate on it) want to beat their chest over how great they are because they don't use any, and so by contrast anyone who does use them is a "noob" who is doing something nearly like 'cheating'.

Some of the responses here demonstrate that.

Mercedes-Benz cars will not let you turn the TCS completey off. Jeremy Clarkson has complained about that countless times. Turning it off will take a person further away from simulating that vehicle. Nearly every modern car has ABS - you can not turn ABS off. If you modify the vehicle to strip it of ABS (IRL) you will be changing much of the braking system in the process (because it's only done for race vehicles, so you will be upgrading other thins as well). There again, turning it off in the game for a car that is otherwise stock is more of a "game" and less of a "sim".

People can call me a noob for using ABS and/or TCS if it makes them feel better, but I make sure to turn it off for every car that didn't actually have it. - and one of my favorite cars is the Cobra.

What is funny is that, in the many times this notion has come up (elsewhere on this forum), the same group that's hating on the 'aids' is also saying that they slow you down. Well.... let people slow themselves down then and just beat them. Where's the problem? (rhetorical)
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Instead of eluding to someones post or some of the posts. Why not just address the person whos opinion you disagree with instead of hide. He might take issue with you?
Anyway. Since my post is the only one containing both the "quoted words" you mentioned.......all assume you were talking about me as "some people".
The dude asked a question and I answered what I believed to be the general perception. He is asking because he's heard it before. I also gave him a common examples as to why. If you don't believe those are common perceptions then OK. Take issue with that.
But don't come in here Head Hunting without the courage to mention who you are
talking to. Fact is I congratulated the dude who beat me with ASM on being a fast MO .. in response to him mentioning that "beating a Zonda in a Yellow Bird is a hard thing to do". Now that's beating your chest.

You don't know me......but I know a little about you
 
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I'm actually rather shocked by the attitudes towards people that are using aids. I don't think i've seen this on any other racing forum for PS3 and XBOX games.
 
I don't have a problem with anyone using or not using aids. I know I'm faster when I use as little as possible. If I use any FF car, if I even use TCS=1, I'm slower. Now, if I'm gearing up for an endurance race with a high-powered car (i.e. 24hrs LeMans with the 908), I'd prefer to have TCS at 1 so that I can have a comfortable race. Over the course of the last 2 years I've turned off the other aids (ASM, Active Steering) and am working on the SRF. It takes re-training so you can stay fast and get faster.
 
Running without aids will make you faster, if you manage to control the car, but slower if it makes you crash. Thats the whole story.

So I wouldn't mind to race against people using whatever aid on or off, not even against people running at 25pp more or less, if that leads into a clean and tense race with lots of position changes and a close photo-finish !!!

Just my 2ct.
 
DrkPhnyx
Because people (who hate on it) want to beat their chest over how great they are because they don't use any, and so by contrast anyone who does use them is a "noob" who is doing something nearly like 'cheating'.

Some of the responses here demonstrate that.

Mercedes-Benz cars will not let you turn the TCS completey off. Jeremy Clarkson has complained about that countless times. Turning it off will take a person further away from simulating that vehicle. Nearly every modern car has ABS - you can not turn ABS off. If you modify the vehicle to strip it of ABS (IRL) you will be changing much of the braking system in the process (because it's only done for race vehicles, so you will be upgrading other thins as well). There again, turning it off in the game for a car that is otherwise stock is more of a "game" and less of a "sim".

People can call me a noob for using ABS and/or TCS if it makes them feel better, but I make sure to turn it off for every car that didn't actually have it. - and one of my favorite cars is the Cobra.

What is funny is that, in the many times this notion has come up (elsewhere on this forum), the same group that's hating on the 'aids' is also saying that they slow you down. Well.... let people slow themselves down then and just beat them. Where's the problem? (rhetorical)
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👍:) Agree 100%
 
Arguably, the best drivers in the world (Formula 1) don't use aids. Partly because it's banned, and partly because they're just that good. It stands to reason that people who can do car control really well shouldn't need the aids. And if you are good at car control, then you must be good at the game, and have some sort of prestige. Now, if memory serves me correctly, Le Mans is allowed to have TCS. But I had heard that some of the Corvette drivers wanted a button to turn it off, that way when they got in, they could drive unassisted.

My feeling is that TCS and ABS are acceptable. It is substantially faster if you turn TCS off, but if you're in a quick car and you don't play all the time, you ought to leave it on. The aids that I hate are ASM, SRF, and Active Steering. They step in a little bit too far in my opinion. SRF if I remember correctly changes they physics so you lose traction less. What? That's garbage. Having that on DOES give you a drastic advantage, and also takes some of the fun out of racing. ASM and Active Steering, well, take that as you like, but that's a bit too much for me.
 
On a DS3, I feel TCS (@1) mainly keeps you from completely spinning the tires because it's tricky to control the pressure on the X button. If you remap the accelerator, then it's a different story.

ABS is standard for production cars, aside from really old cars. In general, I think many people will accept ABS @1.

SRF would actually allow you to achieve unrealistic lap times, since you can essentially push the car further than physics would dictate. But steering some cars with a DS3 is a real pain and the slightest mistake sends to flying off the road. But overall, this needs to be off if you ever expect to become a better driver.

ASM saps the power of the car. I just about always have slower lap times with it on. Really not sure why that's the case. It's a handicap when it's on, imo.

Active steering makes many cars feel stiff and understeery. It certainly does not equate to power steering, imo.

Then finally there's the driving line. Drive like the AI, ftw!
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Jubby
I don't have a problem with anyone using or not using aids. I know I'm faster when I use as little as possible. If I use any FF car, if I even use TCS=1, I'm slower. Now, if I'm gearing up for an endurance race with a high-powered car (i.e. 24hrs LeMans with the 908), I'd prefer to have TCS at 1 so that I can have a comfortable race. Over the course of the last 2 years I've turned off the other aids (ASM, Active Steering) and am working on the SRF. It takes re-training so you can stay fast and get faster.
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Not sure how this became about everyones take on driving aids. Was a question about "ASR" or "Active Skid Recovery" (I thought), but it was actually Skid Recovery Force, not "ASM" the driver from the OP was using. Oh well. Whatever it was, I am pretty sure it dials down the slippage of tires so people can straight line corners better with less wheel/controller input and throttle modulation. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't want to argue about game preferences. Only trying to understand how the aids work better.
 
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EAO-HarleyMan
👍:) Agree 100%
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Original, no

But I want to talk about the Merc's mentioned for a second. Anyone feel like the Mercs drive like they could have Factory TCS, like MB dictated they drive like Merc's? They have a special quality about them. Very manageable I would call it. Vicious grip even with all that tail wagging they do under abuse.
Probably the easiest Cars to not make mistakes in somehow.
 
seanneedscar
But, the Furai, is a rediculous easy-handling car in the game, its very light, has lots of downforce, and if my memory serves, not much more than 500 bhp. Its easy to drive, and him claiming he "NEEDS" aids to drive it, well, makes him a noob in my eyes.
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My furai is tuned specifically to be unstable... without SLIGHT aids I would be spinning every corner, but before I spin, I turn tighter, so I use slight aids to keep from the spins.
 
Aaronrray
My furai is tuned specifically to be unstable... without SLIGHT aids I would be spinning every corner, but before I spin, I turn tighter, so I use slight aids to keep from the spins.
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If you turn off all assists, tune your car to be pushy, and practice, you will be faster.👍

As mentioned earlier, a properly tuned car will leave assists more or less obsolete. They can be a useful safety net though.

SRF is just another way of saying arcade handling.
 
Aaronrray
My furai is tuned specifically to be unstable... without SLIGHT aids I would be spinning every corner, but before I spin, I turn tighter, so I use slight aids to keep from the spins.
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I'd just like to take a moment to go off topic for the benefit of offering you some clarity. The fundamental aspect of tuning is compromise. Many factors are in play here like drag, grip, loose, tight, etc. But most importantly they're also linked to the driver's preferences and specific skillsets. The art of tuning is marrying the car to the driver to get the most out of it. In respect to aids though, once you get past the TCS or ABS, you enter into the realm of aids that begin to compensate for what you were unable to compromise as a tuner and driver. I hope you have a better understanding of what it means to "tune" and why you've caught some flak in the thread.
 
parabulla
I'd just like to take a moment to go off topic for the benefit of offering you some clarity. The fundamental aspect of tuning is compromise. Many factors are in play here like drag, grip, loose, tight, etc. But most importantly they're also linked to the driver's preferences and specific skillsets. The art of tuning is marrying the car to the driver to get the most out of it. In respect to aids though, once you get past the TCS or ABS, you enter into the realm of aids that begin to compensate for what you were unable to compromise as a tuner and driver. I hope you have a better understanding of what it means to "tune" and why you've caught some flak in the thread.
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This thread was desperately in need of a comment such as this and I would like to thank the poster for it. Very concise and neutral statement that, I hope, just might reduce (or maybe even eliminate entirely) further crap-flinging.

Some people play the game purely to enjoy doing so and, if struggling to control an improperly tuned car without aids or taking the time to tune a car isn't enjoyable, there is no reason for them to do either. I personally like honing my craft, be it controlling an uncontrollable car or tuning it to perfectly suit my abilities without forcing me to work too hard. Everyone is different and I don't claim to have the right way of doing things.
 

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