How exactly does driver rating work?

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo Sport' started by CrestDelta, Oct 20, 2017.

  1. CrestDelta

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    Sportsmanship rating is obvious, but exactly how does driver rating increase or decrease? I know it's got to do with winning races, but is it online only races? Do qualifying times count? How is it weighted and measured?
     
  2. Tvensky

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    This far after having about 10+ online races, it seems that you just have to win more races, and be at the better place overall, also it seems that sportsmanship rating is very close to driver rating, if you are first and hit and smash everyone, it still might get worse or not change at all...

    Driving clean without bumps is the way to go to rise up everything, because driver rating will increase only if you keep up sportsmanship rating...

    aslo I noticed that if you get hit in back the guy behind gets lover SR, and the guy in front stays neutral... but if the guy in front brakes too early or where he dont need to brake, both guys get lover SR.. and depending on all that your rating will rise or fall with blue and red colors after each online round, and you get to see all players.

    not sure about qualify, I think it does not change anything except pole position... I might be wrong, and updates can change many things..
     
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  3. Rivanov

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    You don't necessarily have to win races. Just drive clean and gain some places during the race. That will boost your DR.
     
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  4. R3LF1313

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    Is there a place to see your "points" for these ratings? It would be nice to know. My SR hasn't changed, but I've gotten a lot more SR+ than SR- so it would be nice to know how close I am to an upgrade.
     
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  5. Oizon21

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    I think you have to watch the bar around under rating in your profile. It fills up or down.
     
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  6. BumperCars

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    I dont see it, even in the profile screen (when you hit the GT logo on the top left of the main screen). Are you sure? I also have been getting a lot of green SR+ but am stuck at D. I would also like to know if one green is equal to one orange.
     
  7. Sander 001

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    I wish they'd bring the SR system from the closed beta where SR was a number, not just a letter. Was much more precise.
     
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  8. CrestDelta

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    Seems like you need about 3-4 clean races to move up 1 rating on the SR side.

    For driver rating, you get the little circle progress bar to tell how far away you are from moving up. Not sure how it's measured but winning is best, losing worst. The rating goes up and down for me I've been suck lower down for a while now.

    SR is at A though and should be at S tomorrow
     
  9. gungrounds

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    Any more info about this? I noticed it drops down if I lose few spots after qualifiers.
     
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  10. pedrocor

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    DR is not just about winning. On a Sport Race, a couple days ago, the winner was a DR. B and in the winner screen appeared as is first win.
    Depends on your results and the rating of your rivals. It doesn't improve much your rating if you win against "E" rating rivals as much as a top 5 against "A" rated rivals. Which makes sense about how a ranking works.
     
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  11. NommyNom

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    Like others have said before me, depending on your rank vs the field, it will give you more points toward DR. When I was a Low B, I had one excellent race; clean race, fastest lap, started 3rd and finished 1st, gave me a huge boost to approx. 60% of the bar for B. I must have got bumped into a different class because then it was rooms full of SS/AS/few BS racers and I have been staying between 7th-12th and my DR has baaarely been creeping upward, am now around 75% in DR:B and its been about two weeks (granted I have very limited play time) so I think as long as you keep it clean and just stay consistent, always improve your start to finish positions, you'll improve slowly. Again, it depends on you vs the field. beating A drivers will give much more points than beating C drivers. If you try too hard and crash out, lose positions often, your DR will go down.

    Keep it clean, qualify fast, finish faster, you'll get there eventually. If you plateau (like how I'm feeling right now) then you're probably that level of a driver for good and that's it.
     
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  12. ASH32

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    Yes it often goes up if you are racing against the top guys no matter where you finish (I guess if you finish 15-20 a lot it may go down but I've not done that enough to know), the higher you place (especially if you gain places during the race) the more it goes up. I'm A and not that far off S and I've only won 15 or so times.

    Quitting puts it down though, same with safety rating.
     
  13. ceres2000

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    Yeah. If you race in the top 5 and finish in the top 5 your DR gets a significant boost. Also if you finish in a position higher than you started that's another boost but a smaller one. One race I was halfway up D and qualified in pole against an entire grid of C. I won that race and my DR went straight from halfway D to halfway past C. Keeping it clean is a given.
     
  14. ghostrider135

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    Sucks if you qualify on pole then wouldn't you say?
     
  15. Tekku

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    No one knows the exact formula as far as I know. But it seems to work like most rating and matchmaking systems do. The game will take a look at your current performance and compare it to the competition you are up against. And whether you exceed the expectations or not will determine the amount of SR gained. Sometimes there's a mix between ranks and this can have a more drastic effect on your SR. If you lose to lower SR drivers you might get a decrease but if you win against higher SR drivers you might get a good boost to your rating.

    As with other games the important thing is not the rating per se, but rather what kind of experience it represents. If you have a lot of balanced races where you both win and lose on a consistent basis, then you are probably at the right place. It's when you outperform both yourself and your competition repeatedly that you will see the big increase. And this doesn't necessarily mean that you have to make it at first place; because sometimes the hardest thing to do can be to defend your initial position. It all depends on the competition you are up against and what ranks they are.

    The thing I'm wondering the most is if the car selection matters. In some FPS games for instance the class or character you play have a great effect on your ratings, because the system checks your performance in regards to other players who use the same class/character. If this holds true with GTS then that means that unpopular cars are easier to gain SR with if you have the skills to really compete with them.
     
  16. Chuspi

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    Why if i cant play i lost driver rating???
     
  17. John Crellin

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    @Outspacer has a pretty reasonable formula.

    Basically it's a point exchange system where the winner takes Dr points from the loser in each matched pair of racers on a grid. The points taken are weighted by the difference between Dr between opponents (ie beat a higher rank than yourself = more Dr gain).

    The simplified formula looks like this:

    (DRloser - DR winner)/500 + 80

    * there is a maximum of 39500 applied to the DR difference so that the minimum gained is 1 point


    Long story short, in a grid of racers with equal DR values, you only have to finish in the top half to raise DR
     
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  18. vxr58

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    Is it not a simple case of - if you beat your driver number for the race (door number), you'll gain DR? That seems to be my experience, with some occasional anomalies. Qualifying doesn't appear to count, neither does the competitiveness of the room (unless you beat your ranking in that room)
     
  19. John Crellin

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    These topics have been discussed rather thoroughly in other threads... but for those of you that havent seen those threads:

    Door number and qualifying have nothing to do with DR scoring. Essentially it is meaningless. Your door number is assigned ALPHABETCALLY based on DR rank. In other words, the ordering proceeds through ranking the first digits of your DR value similar to how a spread sheet will recognize 99 as larger than 100 because 9 > 1.

    example:

    Door # - DR value
    1- 9000
    2- 22000
    3 -19000
    4- 17000
    etc...
     
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  20. vxr58

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  21. John Crellin

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    Messed up the quote feature. No big deal I saw your question...

    and, to answer you, it seems the be the majority opinion here on GTP. I guess we dont 100%know for sure but at this point it has been corroborated by many people and seem to me to fit my observations. So yes i think you can take this with a degree of confidence
     
  22. vxr58

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    Is that a conclusive verdict on door numbers?
     
  23. John Crellin

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    delete
     
  24. vxr58

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    Apologies, accidentally deleted the quote parenthesis.

    It doesn't tally with my experience, but I've not done the research. Thanks for the info
     
  25. John Crellin

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    how does this not fit your observations?
     
  26. vxr58

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    I can judge my ranking in some races. I'm mid A and when playing off peak, I'm often in rooms with max 4 A players and my door number will always be within top 4, in such cases. If I win, I'm normally 1 or 2 door number. I was completely convinced door numbering was DR related, but I'll take the evidence over my observations.
     
  27. John Crellin

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    Having an A rank means that you have 30k-50k DR points. If you are mid A then your rank will be somewhere around 40K. So unless you get matched with a D ranked player or a higher rank than yourself, you will have the lowest Door number.

    For the most part the Door number normally rank everyone from highest value to lowest value, but when drivers with DR values less than 10k enter the mix you will begin to see the oddities in the system.

    Also, rather than trying to beat your door number, it would be a better rule of thumb to say 'finish in the top half of the field and your DR will improve' but this doesnt work for the higher ranked players in weak lobbies. In a field of all B with an S ranked player on the grid, the S will most likely have to get the podium to see any increase in DR and may still end up losing points based on who beat them.
     
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  28. vxr58

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    Thanks for the explanation, appreciated.

    If that is the case though, surely finishing higher than your door number means that you beat higher ranked players, which would in turn improve your DR? Am I missing something? (appreciate I may well be...)
     
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  29. John Crellin

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    Lets say your in a grid of 20 simmilarly ranked people and your door number is 17. If you don't place higher than 10th then you will lose DR ponts.
     
  30. BSDShoes

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    I did the Atenza race A this morning, started 8th, finished 8th (went up to 6th but screwed up one corner and fell to 8th) and only gained 40 DR and my door number was #1.