How much of the racing incidents (involving you) are YOU AT FAULT for?

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What I am getting at is, there is a lot of talk in general about how other racers are at fault for your own personal downfalls and none of the blame is on gtplanet members. The question is, how much of the racing incidents do you put yourself down to blame. It can't all be because of non-users here because they "don't know racecraft" now can it?

I personally do make a fair few bumps from behind. It is usually a light tap after musjudging braking (even though i mostly brake a little before i usauall do for turns). I would say about 20-40% can be down to me.
 
I tend to avoid most contact. I try to leave a decent gap when following someone or braking a little earlier to avoid bumping them. I usually get bumped under braking, and it's not like I'm braking real early or anything, I just think some people don't quite know how to follow. That being said, I'm now a Dr. B Sr. S driver and there is very little contact in most of the races I'm in anymore.
 
My prolem if in the heat of the battle if it‘s somebody who squeezed himself through I tend to go full Verstappen and loose my temper a little which causes a bit of trouble sometimes. But usually I only get penalties for the smallest bumps ever when I missjudged skills or braking points of the drivers I follow.
I‘d say maybe 15% of trouble around me is cause by me, myself and I :dunce:
 
I voted 60% to 80% but it might be a little higher than that. I've come to learn that other than the divebomb or someone flying in and using you as part of their braking the rest is completely on you and can be avoided. Most of the time you put yourself in the situation that was avoidable. I find most of it is contributed to people being impatient and putting themselves in a spot that has a high risk of getting hit by someone else.
 
Problem is game sees little taps on rear bumper as a fault. Ì have bumped plenty but have only once deliberately smashed someone off track retaliating. SR S is just as bad as SR E at DR C and B ratings. Too many people think they are better than what they are. 90% of players just don' understand where you can overtake safely. Mt Panorama today the amount of players sticking there nose by your rear wheels on the tight uphill section thinking they can out accelerate you and not backing off giving you nowhere to go on the next corner normally causing a crash where we both lose places was awful. Ì imagine at DR A and S the SR becomes more relevant as players not only can control a car but know when and where to pull manouvers.
 
When I first started I'd say I was nearer 80% at fault
But now that I have improved and moved through the ranks, I have learned how to follow people and how to scout danger and avoid it with strategic overtakes and patient pressure.
I'd honestly say that maybe 20-30% of incidents are my fault now.

The problem is that there is no leaving the lower ranks unless you maintain a high SR S. As soon as you land in the 94 SR or less range you will be placed with DR D drivers who don't have the kind of car control to pass cleanly or hit all their brake points consistently and that's when the other incidents happen.
 
Most of my incidents are due to people just not being very specially aware usually I have to be aware for them and even then I still get caught out
I’m pretty on it when it comes to avoiding contact but people around me tend not to be for example t1 in a race I brake relatively calmly like not pushing just want to get round the corner, yet the guy infront has caught me out with a slightly earlier braking and a line which is a certain accident if I don’t pull out and avoid. However someone will be alongside me being braver on the brakes but will only allow room for one car not two therefore contact and ridiculous penalties and so on aha
I always run the radar too in like roof cam dunno if that perspective is the best or worst for avoiding collisions and incidents but it’s worth noting I’m sure
 
Half maybe. Could be a bit generous on that. There's definitely the stuff I'm at fault for, but there's stuff that I'm the innocent bystander on.
 
It depends on what your definition of fault is. If someone only sticks a nose next to my bumper I'm not giving up the racing line to avoid contact. It's up to them to back out as they have no right to the apex at that point. I always do.

I always brake early when following someone, yet in rare cases they brake so early I have to run wide to avoid. When there's a wall I have no choice to either slightly tap them or move to the inside and get tapped. That's maybe 5% of incidents.

80% of my incidents are getting bumped from behind, especially when racing against DR.B. 10% dive bombs and noses in the wrong place. Maybe 5% from someone late blocking or throwing their car in front of me mid corner resulting in an unintentional tap. 1% getting rammed into the wall by an idiot.

Most of my races are without any incidents though. At least without contact, sometimes I have to go on the grass to avoid someone not paying attention to their radar or simply not being able to hold their line. The penalty system will never be perfect if it doesn't detect forcing people off the road without contact.
 
I voted 81-100% my fault.

I feel 1 out of 10 nothing I could do with the situation ahead.
Another 1 out of 10 it was completely the other drivers fault.
8 out of 10 I was involved in some form of making that accident happen, and if I had changed my approach leading up to the accident, it could have been avoided.
 
I think about 50% are my fault. As I've progressed, I think it's generally been about the same 50%, but the severity and frequency of racing incidents has gone down tremendously.

Recently, I've been around drivers who are more or less fair and competitive. Racing incidents occur, but usually not intentional ramming, blocking, or dive-bombing. I think the penalty system can be too harsh and creates problems with people getting in the way when burning off their penalty time.

The exceptions are at the first couple of corners when drivers are way too brave and the occasional driver that is out to cause havoc. With these factored in, I'd change my fault to 30-40%.

@Nuschel01 - I'm definitely stealing your phrase "full Verstappen"
 
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20-40%
In general, when I have a good start to a race I very seldom get penalties or bump other racers. My problem is that when a race doesn’t go well I tend to lose concentration a bit and other drivers may be affected by my mistakes. But I never hit someone intentionally.
 
About 8/10 when I was starting with the game because I was rusty since I haven't touched a GT game since 2013, I had to get used with the handling and dynamics of the new Gr vehicles.

Nowadays it's around 1/10 tops, I'm very conservative and mindful about my surroundings and spacial awareness, if I see that I accidentally had taken out any player in a corner, I stop and let them pass me, also works as a way to serve the inevitable penalty.

Of course I'm talking about accidents and not deliberate crashes...That's a whole different matter.
 
Lion-Face
I voted 81-100% my fault.

I feel 1 out of 10 nothing I could do with the situation ahead.
Another 1 out of 10 it was completely the other drivers fault.
8 out of 10 I was involved in some form of making that accident happen, and if I had changed my approach leading up to the accident, it could have been avoided.
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But surely you are in those situations because you're either pushing for a place or trying to hold on to a place? You can't just give up and let the other driver win just incase it causes an accident. I'm sure that just by being there doesn't always count as being at fault.

Anyway, blue moon tonight I'd say less than 2%, but on the whole yeah I guess around one in five/four is most likely a misjudged brake
 
Rinsky
I voted 60% to 80% but it might be a little higher than that. I've come to learn that other than the divebomb or someone flying in and using you as part of their braking the rest is completely on you and can be avoided. Most of the time you put yourself in the situation that was avoidable. I find most of it is contributed to people being impatient and putting themselves in a spot that has a high risk of getting hit by someone else.
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I voted the same. I think almost all incidents are avoidable on my part by defensively driving. The problem is that is slow and not a good strategy for winning. A combination of defensive and clean fast lines helps keep me consistently in the top 5 usually. I’ve only had a few deliberate rams come my way, mostly drivers blocking, pushing etc. Usually very clean racing.
 
ThePhantomAli
But surely you are in those situations because you're either pushing for a place or trying to hold on to a place? You can't just give up and let the other driver win just incase it causes an accident. I'm sure that just by being there doesn't always count as being at fault.

Anyway, blue moon tonight I'd say less than 2%, but on the whole yeah I guess around one in five/four is most likely a misjudged brake
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I'm sure he mentioned once that in every racing incident, the fault is 50/50 since either driver could've taken action to avoid the incident :D
 
21-40% I tend to leave people with very bad decisions to make when passing me for actual position (not affected by pits).

Tonight was especially terrible for me. I went from S to C. In Manufacturer's I had a Brazilian who decided that he was going to ram me in 4 consecutive corners then get angry enough to punt me from pit entry to the start straight (which worked brilliantly because I had fuel to lay down enough of a time to get ahead of him after my put stop). Then in nations another decided to rack up 20 seconds in penalties by running me off the road 3 times. I was so frustrated I had multiple offs afterwards. The B race I caused an accident at the finish line serving a penalty. I'll get back to S SR tomorrow.

I tend to be clean, just tough on those trying to pass. Almost all of my dips in SR are due to people getting frustrated trying to pass for position.

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I am usually overly cautious in my driving around others, so 0-20% when driving with people of similar skill or above, but probably 20-40% when people who are slower or less aware are around me, as I'll tend to misjudge their brake points or behavior.
 
ThePhantomAli
But surely you are in those situations because you're either pushing for a place or trying to hold on to a place? You can't just give up and let the other driver win just incase it causes an accident. I'm sure that just by being there doesn't always count as being at fault.
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I look at every incident and try to learn from it. Figure out if I could have played it better, placed my car better, hold a certain line, give up the line etc. I feel that in a 2 car accident, I am 50% of the problem. If I can learn from the incident, then I can improve and become a better driver, and sometimes giving up the corner is the best thing to do.
 
Lion-Face
I look at every incident and try to learn from it. Figure out if I could have played it better, placed my car better, hold a certain line, give up the line etc. I feel that in a 2 car accident, I am 50% of the problem. If I can learn from the incident, then I can improve and become a better driver, and sometimes giving up the corner is the best thing to do.
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What do you do when a 1 bar connection is draft passing you on bluemoon bay... Lost 16 SR in my first attempt there and had 12 sec of penalty by lap 9. Actually at least 50% of my incidents involve lag if not more. The game is terrible at handling lag. Any yellow connection usually means trouble.
 
I'd say 30%, sometimes I am overly optimistic of winning positions on some curves and end up crashing The car in front of me/going into The grass.

70% Is a dirty driver pushing me Out of The track or being hit in The back ( not sure how many of those were done in porpuse)
 
50% here, sometimes to aggressive, sometimes to nervous. Try to stay clean, but want to have close fights. Because i Play a lot of Time with the same Players at the Sport Mode, its more normal Race accidents.
 
0%-20% primarily just because I actually don't get that many incidences.

I will admit to bullying trailing overlapped cars to the outside edge of the track on my exit lines though. Some people just think they can hover in the middle of the track on an exit and I have no qualms with nudging them out to the edge. Neither does the SR system though since I never get a penalty for doing it.

Then, like most people, I'll occasionally blow a braking point and brake too late resulting in me ramming the leading car or slipping to the side and barge passing like a dive bomb. On the latter mistake, I hold the brake line hard and only use half of the track for the exit giving room to the outside car to recover. They usually retake their position on the outside while I cautiously over brake and try to cut my exit line to not cause more problems.
 
A lot of you made some really good points here. I would guess I am in the lowest end, if someone is clearly faster than me I let them by easily, we both lose the least amount of time that way. If I am right under someones rear bumper coming into the braking zone I will back up at least a car length so I dont nerf him, in fact I will usually brake early, apex late, and try to get by on exit. If I have someone about the same speed as me riding my bumper I will not leave the inside open to them as I dont think I am obligated to. I had someone like that this morning a Suzuka who couldnt get by but drafted up beside me (his front bumper at my rear tire) then leaned on me thru T1 while pushing me off track at the same time, nice job, text book pass there Slick!!!. I dont try passing on T1 L1, unless someone in front is very slow, I like to let everyone get settled in. These "video game players" who insist on making that first corner move usually cause chaos, works good for me but bad for the people they hit but also robs me of what could have been a fun battle. If they make thru T1 and T2 I usually end up passing them a few turns later because more often than not their inpatients is rewarded with an off road excursion. I also dont understand these players who try passing at racing speed thru slow chicanes, how can they think that will work out well? How did they get to an S SR rank??? Lastly I have an issue with the advantage some get from PD using the DS4, some are absolutely outstanding, others have every aid the can find turned on, the nose of the car hunts non stop even down the straights which makes them nearly impossible to pass cleanly yet PD lets them be as quick as a smooth wheel driver.
 
I'd say around 5-10%. I find ways to avoid incidents altogether because it often pays off with free positions when other people incur penalties.
 
I would say less than 5%... it's very rare for me to not leave room, "force" a pass, "block" a competitor... very rare for me to go off track, but if I do I come back easy/slow/deliberate... or, after all others have gone by... It's not great for my Dr. but it's the way i like to play... I "race" as if it were my personal pride and joy and I'm shelling out $ for repairs/paint...

Now, having said that, when i do touch another car, it's typically a complete and utterly inconceivable misjudgement ensuing in a massive wreck... giving new meaning to the term "punt".
Sorry.
 

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