How much of the racing incidents (involving you) are YOU AT FAULT for?

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How much of incident involving you are down to you?


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Well, that's hard to judge, and I don't really take count of them. Before sport mode, I would have said more than 50% for sure, I'd say 2/3, because I'm generally good at anticipating and avoiding people making mistakes. I defend aggressively, but still try to remain predictable enough, and ready to give way when someone's behind me.

Big incidents are a rare occurrence from me, it's mostly bumps and pushes I'm doing after being surprized by someone braking earlier than me.

Now, if I focus on sport mode ? Surely less than 10%, because of all the divebombs and crazy shenanigans some people pull off there.
 
I think there are a couple different mindsets to sport mode, and, depending on your mindset, you will place yourself in a different physical location on track where the likelihood of being in an incident in the first place is higher/lower.

When I first started Sport-mode, I wanted to be as fast as I could be... I wanted to win... and, every car in front of me needed dispatched... 'cause they were slow, so, I took risky moves which resulted in minor contact... and sometimes heavy contact.
At that time, I'd say probably 70% of incidents I at least shared responsibility, likely 50% were a direct result of my decisions.
Then I realized... I'm never going to be Dr.S/A+, as such never going to be a contender in FIA, much less the top 24...

So now, I just want a clean race, and do as well as I can... I am no longer disillusioned to being fast, and have zero expectations of wining... if big slips and mistakes take place ahead of me, then I'll take the spot, I try and be smart about when to pit based on traffic ahead/behind (track map) but you will not find me being aggressive...
I race like the guys in the historic series... with multi million dollar cars belonging to someone else... and lacking the funds to repair them, much less restore them.
This mindset likely has got a lot to do with why I'm still at Dr.B... and I'm fine with it.
If I gain spots great, if I concede spots so be it... If I never make it to Dr.A oh well (pretty sure S, (now A+) is out of the question)... I just want to run as fast as I can without negatively effecting other folks online experience, and, hope for the same.
I'd rather concede a spot, then, attempt to race it back... vs defend the spot and risk the carnage of an anxious/impatient/frustrated competitor...
And, I'd rather put pressure on in hopes of taking advantage of a slip/mistake vs risk the "but I had significant overlap".
I realize I'm in the minority.
I don't play the game to "get to the next level" or "win races"... I play to enjoy racing... don't want to ruin others races and don't want mine ruined either.

To each their own.
 
I do my utmost to avoid contact with people, I'll happily back off early going into a corner to avoid running into them and if I know someone is alongside me going through a corner I won't take the full racing line, and I'll try to leave room (unlike say, Max V...). Some are my fault though, through mistakes and mainly in heavy braking zones. I find braking with the right stick on a DS4 a little inconsistent, but it's my preferred way to control it. So yeah some are my fault, but you know what, if I know it's my fault I'll slow down and let them back past.

Getting punted off the track on the last lap at Interlagos with such force I could have gone from turn 8 straight to turn 10 had there not been a wall in the way is definitely not my fault!

That's the way to do it, except when there's a bunch of cars behind you, you often don't have the luxury of braking early as there is a high chance they'll run into you. I usually place myself out of the slipstream to brake when close to avoid possible contact, yet that doesn't always work either with cars behind as they'll happily brake late and take the spot so now you're 2 wide off the racing line. No problem if you leave room, yet is the other car also going to leave room...

Tapping the brakes in advance and braking a bit more slowly helps to get the cars behind to keep distance. Not always as that also invites out braking and ending up 2 wide with a car on your inside that might not leave room. I usually slow a little more to let that car pass as that kind of opportunistic driver will usually run into the car I was behind in the next few corners. However if there's more than one car behind you get get yourself in serious trouble with a whole train trying to overtake in the corner.

Driving behind one or more cars with no one on your tail is easy (unless they crash and turn the road ahead into a solid wall). Most of the problems come from being between cars and the car behind not anticipating your moves. Slowing down for a car getting themselves in trouble usually ends up by getting hit.

Now add lag into the situation. One race I was the only green connection with a bunch of red in front of me and yellow right behind me. I survived! It was a miracle with all the teleporting cars around me.
 
EDIT: i dont have experience on online racing in GT SPORT so this’ll be my experience from previous gen and other racing games

I dont intentionally punt people off or any of that dirty tactic stuff, I’m a self proclaimed driving god and using that sort of tactic would be taboo for me.

However i do sometimes misjudge braking points in cars i rarely use and/or just bought, and therefore on tight corners or bends i end up rear ending/side swiping another car in attempts to dive on the inside, or by locking up the brakes because i brake too late. I sometimes wait for them to overtake me again and carry on, but if they knocked me off track first i call it even :)

Thats why i prefer ghosted races like they have on forza because if you muck up you’re the only one to cop the L instead of everyone else
 
I think there are a couple different mindsets to sport mode, and, depending on your mindset, you will place yourself in a different physical location on track where the likelihood of being in an incident in the first place is higher/lower.

When I first started Sport-mode, I wanted to be as fast as I could be... I wanted to win... and, every car in front of me needed dispatched... 'cause they were slow, so, I took risky moves which resulted in minor contact... and sometimes heavy contact.
At that time, I'd say probably 70% of incidents I at least shared responsibility, likely 50% were a direct result of my decisions.
Then I realized... I'm never going to be Dr.S/A+, as such never going to be a contender in FIA, much less the top 24...

So now, I just want a clean race, and do as well as I can... I am no longer disillusioned to being fast, and have zero expectations of wining... if big slips and mistakes take place ahead of me, then I'll take the spot, I try and be smart about when to pit based on traffic ahead/behind (track map) but you will not find me being aggressive...
I race like the guys in the historic series... with multi million dollar cars belonging to someone else... and lacking the funds to repair them, much less restore them.
This mindset likely has got a lot to do with why I'm still at Dr.B... and I'm fine with it.
If I gain spots great, if I concede spots so be it... If I never make it to Dr.A oh well (pretty sure S, (now A+) is out of the question)... I just want to run as fast as I can without negatively effecting other folks online experience, and, hope for the same.
I'd rather concede a spot, then, attempt to race it back... vs defend the spot and risk the carnage of an anxious/impatient/frustrated competitor...
And, I'd rather put pressure on in hopes of taking advantage of a slip/mistake vs risk the "but I had significant overlap".
I realize I'm in the minority.
I don't play the game to "get to the next level" or "win races"... I play to enjoy racing... don't want to ruin others races and don't want mine ruined either.

To each their own.
Couldn't agree more
My mindset was very similar to yours when I first got on sport mode. I did all I could to grab that next position. However, Sport mode lent itself to that more so around launch than now because the DR and SR ratings didn't mean as much back then. A lot of people had just gotten the game and their levels didn't truly reflect their skill.
About half of my 69 wins (i like that number... Hmm, I think I might retire) were against less skilled drivers, and about half of those were in week one, when I was a very low DR and SR, but I was beating people with much higher ratings (simply because they have played the game more than i had)
And now, my mindset has changed as well, as I too hover around the B S rating ive realised the top of the leaderboards is somewhere I'll never be, im only human.
So I just try n race smart, capitalize on any opportunities I get, and if I finish better than where I started, Im happy.
 
It's like you're saying any incident you are involved in is your fault because you could have avoided it.
While you may be able to anticipate that an incident is going to occur, anticipating what actually happens is a lot more of a crap shoot.
There can also be situations where you react correctly to one persons mistake only to be hit by someone else not paying attention to what you're doing.

Sometimes you just get screwed no matter what you do, but that doesn't mean it was your fault because you just happened to get caught up in someone else's problems, or get taken out by some over zealous, under skilled jerk.
It happens to real racecar drivers all the time. Just look at the crazy multi car accidents in NASCAR. Not much you can do when there's 10 cars crashing in front of you and 20 more right on your tail...

Not every single one but it's probably a high 95% is.
You brain has already figured out the % of how likely you are to get involved in an accident before it happens. The thing is most people ignore it and go for the move anyway even if it's in a low % instead of backing off and waiting for a better opportunity.
Same goes for getting punted, rammed and any other incident. Your brain has already figured out and told you that driver behind you is at a very high risk to hit you but yet most people will not react to this information and carry on as normal then BAM they get hit.

So even though most didn't initiate the contact they also didn't do anything to avoid it. Now there will always be a few times that no matter how much information your brain has assessed and processed that % sometimes it's impossible to avoid a Collision but that % is very low.
 
Not every single one but it's probably a high 95% is.
You brain has already figured out the % of how likely you are to get involved in an accident before it happens. The thing is most people ignore it and go for the move anyway even if it's in a low % instead of backing off and waiting for a better opportunity.
Same goes for getting punted, rammed and any other incident. Your brain has already figured out and told you that driver behind you is at a very high risk to hit you but yet most people will not react to this information and carry on as normal then BAM they get hit.

So even though most didn't initiate the contact they also didn't do anything to avoid it. Now there will always be a few times that no matter how much information your brain has assessed and processed that % sometimes it's impossible to avoid a Collision but that % is very low.
I dunno, maybe you have just had the good fortune of racing with better drivers than others. Because, in my experience, I'd make a safe guess that at least 50% of the accidents I'm in that are not my fault are also something I could not have predicted. This is especially true of a lot of low speed corner punts and the like. In my experience even if i know the guy behind me is over aggressive, and i position myself in a way that he would have to go out of his way to hit me, that still happens quite often. Or i get hit by someone else entirely. ( can you really predict someone is gonna divebomb from 15 car lengths back and take you both off the track?)
I really don't know what you can do in these situations short of driving in the grass right next to the track so no one hits you, and letting every single car that gets close to you by just in case they might screw up. Maybe i should be checking the rear view every two and a half seconds...
I'm joking obviously, hahaha...
But seriously how can you blame someone for failing to predict something that is inherently unpredictable?
Maybe I really have just been unlucky in the matchmaking, and I've just been in a lot more "wacky races" than you
Also i think we're all complicating the question this poll asked. Its how many incidents YOU are at fault for, which implies incidents that YOU caused. Now we seem to be including the "could have been avoided" category, which is really quite ambiguous. There's a lot of variables to consider when differentiating between his/her fault, my fault, could have been avoided, and simple racing incidents
 
Including gentle nudges on braking, a bit of paint exchanging and genuine smidsy's plus occasional bouts of derp mode, I'd say 50%.
I seem to rarely cause total carnage but hold my hands up to not always judging my entry speed perfectly in particular and if they go wide because of me, I give way if safe to do so and apologise after the race regardless.

Rubbing is racing, so is crashing. It happens. Frustrating at times but it's a game and the repercussions are negligible.
 
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