How Realistic is the Gran Turismo Series ?

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I'm just curious as to how Gran Turismo has evolved from Gran Turismo - Gran Turismo 4, what are the biggest changes in the physics system throughout the Gran Turismo series, and ultimately how realistic or unrealistic will GT4 be ?...

And how have games like GTR, Live for Speed, Netkar, changed your view on Realism in the GT series :)
 
GT is what I would call an arcadey sim. It's realistic enough to feel pretty realistic, but arcadey enough to be easy to get to grips with. Compared to GTR, LFS and similar games, it's a piece of piss to play.
 
code_kev
Compared to GTR, LFS and similar games, it's a piece of piss to play.
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Why don't you have all gold on the Licence tests then ;)

Difficulty does not always relate to Realistic, there are alot of cars that are incredibly easy to drive.
I agree it has an arcadey side to it (The Arcade Section springs to mind :) ) but there are areas that still provide a challenge for most people.

It is easy enough to just pick it up and play for an hour without driving yourself insane with frustration, but try the Elise on Grand Canyon and see if you can get two clean laps, now thats difficult. Difficult but not very realistic, as surely the Elise would bog down on that gravel.
 
Why don't you have all gold on the Licence tests then
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Because I cant be bothered to spend the amount of time it would take to get them. I'm not good enough either, I said it was a piece of piss in comparison, but that doesn't mean it's easy getting it done on such tight time limits.
 
Just teasing, Code :)

I'd say in terms of evolution, the biggest changes I've noticed in GT4P from GT3 are:

braking:
You can apply real world techniques like threshold braking and progressive braking to improve your stopping distance, rather than just squashing the pedal

Cars out of Shape are harder to recover:
When a car starts to shake its tail it can be very hard to regain control of it, especially the powerful ones

Pitch and roll and weight transfer effects handling alot more:
When you are rough or aggressive with a car, it can really slow you down as the suspension loads up and unloads throwing the car offline.

Smooth is Fast :)
 
I've played alot of these 'real sim' racing games, and believe me, there's nothing 'fun' about braking too hard and locking up tires and flat spotting them, turning too hard and spinning out, etc

While it may not seem it, I am a big fan of simulation racing games. But all of you who say 'why doesnt the cars spin out in contact' obviously havent played super sim games that have you flying with the slightest big of contact, not to mention playing online with guys who cant drive who nudge you at 190 and you get sidways and smash into the wall and your race is over thanks to a noob.

No thanks

I'll take the 'arcade' Gran Turismo

And code kev, I like how you say GT4 is such a cinch to play compared to other games, but the sad thing is, you couldnt play either of them worth a darn

The simple point is, if a game is TOO real, it is not fun anymore, and the masses won't be interested in it, including me.

i have a 'SIM' pc game, and I use the driving aids, antilock brakes, stering assist, etc.

Why?

Because I'd rather not be concerned with only being able to push the brake pedal down 3/4 of the way, or not turning too hard and spinning out.
 
Earth, i think the problem is obvious, you can't be that much of a sim fan :P. You must also be abit crap if you play with all the aids on, hell i can manage GTR with aids off on a pad.

"but the sad thing is, you couldnt play either of them worth a darn"

I'm pretty good actually.

I actually like Gt4s arcadey sim because it means I can get into it faster.
 
I would like to see you play nascar 2003 on a road course with aids off and with a pad.

Not only would you have blown all of your tires by the 3rd turn because of flat spotting them while braking without analog, you would have spun out coming out of a turn when you tried to put the power down without a pedal

'gtr' doesnt look too much like a better sim then GT4 if you can play it with a pad
 
Well I can play GT4 perfectly well with a pad, does that make it crap too?

I use the ps2 pad anyway, use one thumb stick for acceleration and the other for steering, thats why I don't spin.

Anyway, stop trying to make out as if I hate GT, I love it, and I actually quite like it being semi realistic.
 
Earth
I've played alot of these 'real sim' racing games, and believe me, there's nothing 'fun' about braking too hard and locking up tires and flat spotting them, turning too hard and spinning out, etc

While it may not seem it, I am a big fan of simulation racing games. But all of you who say 'why doesnt the cars spin out in contact' obviously havent played super sim games that have you flying with the slightest big of contact, not to mention playing online with guys who cant drive who nudge you at 190 and you get sidways and smash into the wall and your race is over thanks to a noob.

No thanks

I'll take the 'arcade' Gran Turismo

And code kev, I like how you say GT4 is such a cinch to play compared to other games, but the sad thing is, you couldnt play either of them worth a darn

The simple point is, if a game is TOO real, it is not fun anymore, and the masses won't be interested in it, including me.

i have a 'SIM' pc game, and I use the driving aids, antilock brakes, stering assist, etc.

Why?

Because I'd rather not be concerned with only being able to push the brake pedal down 3/4 of the way, or not turning too hard and spinning out.
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BS BS BS BS :)

It's your opinion that games won't be fun when it's too realistic but loads of people do want hardcore realism and think simulation is fun and arcade is boring. I think it's so much more rewarding driving a good lap in GTR than in GT. It shouldn't be called a driving simulator if it's not trying to simulate some very important aspects of driving.

I think PD should give you the option for choosing hardcore simulation or arcade for people like you.
 
I never said GTR was crap because you could play it witha pad. When i said it wasnt a bitter sim then gt4 i was talking about the simulation driving part of it, not the total game. I meant it looks like it doesnt sim driving any better

I'm actually glad to hear that is is playable with a pad

Face it, if a racing came was true to real life, it wouldnt be any fun for 95% of the people who play games
 
Earth, your wrong about GTR, with a pad it's an UTTER handfull, but do able. The cars feel and react like proper 600 bhp monsters.
 
Pak
BS BS BS BS :)

It's your opinion that games won't be fun when it's too realistic but loads of people do want hardcore realism and think simulation is fun and arcade is boring. I think it's so much more rewarding driving a good lap in GTR than in GT. It shouldn't be called a driving simulator if it's not trying to simulate some very important aspects of driving.

I think PD should give you the option for choosing hardcore simulation or arcade for people like you.
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I like how you call GT4 arcade when I'm sure half of hte people who play it couldnt do more then 2 laps without touching the grass or hitting the wall or spinning out.

Call GT what you wish, but it takes a considerable driving ability to turn consistant fast lap times, no matter how easy you claim the cars control
 
Earth, I hit the grass in outrun, does that make it a sim? OFC it takes ability to do well, just not quite as much as other games.
 
Earth
I like how you call GT4 arcade when I'm sure half of hte people who play it couldnt do more then 2 laps without touching the grass or hitting the wall or spinning out.

Call GT what you wish, but it takes a considerable driving ability to turn consistant fast lap times, no matter how easy you claim the cars control
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Earth
I'll take the 'arcade' Gran Turismo
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It's arcade compared to GTR.
 
GT4 has the driving aspect down. GTR has the racing aspect down too with good driving physics. GT4 is the more realistic for me in driving. GT4 isn't arcade compared to GTR. I have played the demo and I have gt4p.
 
cobragt
GT4 has the driving aspect down. GTR has the racing aspect down too with good driving physics. GT4 is the more realistic for me in driving. GT4 isn't arcade compared to GTR. I have played the demo and I have gt4p.
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Tell me why GT4:P is more realistic in driving.

Pak
It's arcade compared to GTR.
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Heh, with It i meant GT4:P
 
Pak, cobra doesn't know, he just SAYS it is because it's GT4.

What cobra said doesn't even make sense, Gt4 does driving, one does racing...WTF :ouch:, Gt4 is a bloody racing game, so I should hope it does racing well!
 
I think you can take this realism business too far. Even the racing sims on the PC arent that realistic. Do you think you could just jump in a JGTC and after an hour be knocking out competitive lap times :confused:

Those drivers spent years learning their trade, driving less powerful cars and moving up through the ranks.
Do you really want a game that had a two year learning curve :crazy:

I think GT have the balance between realstic and Arcade fun just about right.

For those who want total realism....I suggest Track Days :) You can even break a bone or two, now that's realism ;)
 
I think GT is the near perfect balance of sim & arcade. It is easy to get into yet you can apply some real techniques which I think is why it is so popular. I like games to be realistic but they should never compromise fun. Just because a game is challenging doesn't neccesarily mean its a good game.

Live For Speed is a good game & more realistic than GT, it becomes really apparent when you apply the brakes ;) But I still prefer to play GT.

I'm not so sure whether I like GTR, it does seem to compromise the fun, but thats probably because I was using a keyboard :lol: The engine sounds are fantastic though.
 
In the driving aspect, gt4 is better, and I'm not talking about some year old demo of gt4. In the racing aspect, gtr is better, I'm sure brake fading will be in the game. As for driving; seeing how a car turns and what not, gt4 gets the thumbs up.
 
GT4 doesnt need to get any more realistic except for a few things, like no penalty for slamming walls and driving over the grass

Besides that, they shouldnt touch it
 
You guys don't understand, many people see realism as fun. For those people GTR isn't compromising any fun.

If PD includes a special simulation option for those people and the standard GT for people who think realism isn't fun then no fun will be compromised.
 
cobragt
In the driving aspect, gt4 is better, and I'm not talking about some year old demo of gt4. In the racing aspect, gtr is better, I'm sure brake fading will be in the game. As for driving; seeing how a car turns and what not, gt4 gets the thumbs up.
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First off, I hope you're not talking about the final versions.

What I understand is that you're saying a car turns more realistic in GT4 than in GTR? ROFL

Explain please.
 

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