How to get good at Nurburgring?

[TheTaZ]

The one track that I can't seem to get good at is Nurburgring.

This is a huge track and it is very hard to memorize. For those of you who are good at this track, is the key to great times memorizing it, or, can you get good times with just good driving skills?

I have been practicing it, but I still get destroyed by the AI at this track. I just can't keep on the road if I push it and if I drive more carefull my times are worse.

Any tips on getting good times at this track would be appreciated.

Thanks.

 

[sicbeing]

my suggestion (and i dont even have gt4) is just take the car u want to drive on it with and go practice the course during a free run. Dont even try and get fast times on it, just take it slow and steady, maybe as if you were driving a real car, the slower u take it the more will be able to sink into you as u drive it. also taking it slow at first and then gradually getting faster will help you find the best lines.

since this is a huge track dont except for it to melt to you instantly, this one may take a while

 

[The_1_GT_Master]

The one track that I can't seem to get good at is Nurburgring.

This is a huge track and it is very hard to memorize. For those of you who are good at this track, is the key to great times memorizing it, or, can you get good times with just good driving skills?

I have been practicing it, but I still get destroyed by the AI at this track. I just can't keep on the road if I push it and if I drive more carefull my times are worse.

Any tips on getting good times at this track would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Practice,practice and even more practice bud... you need to know the track in order to know how fast you can take the corners, the best way i learned was to take my fastest car round the track every chance i got,you might have seen my video in photo and video gallery.(link at bottom)
Check it out if you get chance, i find that watching others go round helps more then anything.I also have the replay file if you have an AR max evo or something equivelent..


https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=62890

 

[cpl183]

i dont have any particular hintsfor you, for me it seemed to be easy to learn the track, but i also know it in reallife(but didnt drive it myself so far), so that could be my advantage. but i think that its practice what makes you good! ive driven about 100-150 laps and my driving is still not perfect. so, at the nordschleife its practice that makes you good!

 

[YuRiPa]

Just try to finish Driving Mission 34. If you've completed that mission, you'll know the track very well, and then you can practically race the track with your eyes closed.

Or do many free runs with your fave car, and try to beat your fastest time each lap. And start driving carefully, just not making mistakes, and try to go faster each lap.

 

[Cosmic]

Practice the track or just try complete Driving Mission 34.

 

[yeti]

Completing the S-16 licence test or the IA-15 licence test to Gold will help...

Also if you race things like the ring in the 1000 mile championship or the 4 hour enduro in A-spec then you will be forced to learn it...

I'm pretty rubbish at it but I have silver on IA-15 so driving skill helps... but learning it will make you the master.

C.

 

[Zardoz]

...just try to complete Driving Mission 34.

Yeah, just try it. I dare you.

That's like saying "Learn to be a pilot by starting in an F-104."

 

[snypa]

Just try to finish Driving Mission 34. If you've completed that mission, you'll know the track very well, and then you can practically race the track with your eyes closed.

Yes, I agree, it's a good way to learn the track....even if it's frustrating at times !

As the longest track in the game, the nurb just takes time to be known.
If you want to be good, you have to know each portion of it, because a simple hesitation in a curve will cost you a few seconds.

This is especially true in the fast curves followed by long straights. If you brake too much in the corner (because you don't know exactly at what speed you can take it), you will lose time then, beeing obliged to re-accelerate instead of passing the curve full throttle and gain max speed in the straight.
At the beginning, some fast portion seem to be impossible to be passed full throttle, but after having found the ideal line, it will be ok and you will shave off a few seconds.
On the other side, some slow sections have to be identified, if not, you will just lose control.

So everything about this track is practice, you have to find the ideal speed and line for each portion of it, which takes time on a 22km long track.

Hope this help,

Snypa

 

[the hodge man]

i had plenty of practice from pgr2 but the schleiffe on gt4 was so much better, practice makes perfect my friend only way too get good at the track, i drive round it too much i just have to go quicker and quicker!!!!!

 

[induce]

Easy!

1) Become fascinated by it
2) Watch movies of real racers going around the track
3) Watch other GT4 nuts speeding around the old course

You could skip point one but that would make point two a lot less interesting

I'll provide you with a video of me racing around the ring in an unmodified Sauber C9 (Oh, cliché!)

Here's your link: 5:19 on the 'Ring

 

[nurburgring]

My personnal experience was painful and frustrating for the first 10 laps...

I was almost at the point of banning this track.

But time and practice (most of the time on time trial, because AI cars are pain in the ass for concentration!) has bringing me back to this wonderful track.

Now I can say that even on dilliculty set to 10 on arcade mode, I'm winning 30% of the time i'm racing against other cars!

It is the best track on this game!

 

[davidg1230]

The one track that I can't seem to get good at is Nurburgring.

This is a huge track and it is very hard to memorize. For those of you who are good at this track, is the key to great times memorizing it, or, can you get good times with just good driving skills?

I have been practicing it, but I still get destroyed by the AI at this track. I just can't keep on the road if I push it and if I drive more carefull my times are worse.

Any tips on getting good times at this track would be appreciated.

Thanks.

My thoughts aswell, I've got to about 35% completion and had mainly avoided the ring until now. I've tried all sorts of cars and began with lap times of around 7 mins (both DS2 and wheel) with cars ranging from the M3 to the Group C racers. I was stuck around 7min laps for ages until I found a car as forgiving is the M3 GTR Race Car. It's fast enough to go sub 6.30mins yet its handling is very neutral. I have yet to learn the track completely but my best is 6.09 in the Bentley. It's taken me about 30 laps to get to this stage and now my goal is to do a sub 6 minute in either the Bentley or Audi R8. You will get there and as everyone says, its practice and driving smoothly, don't try and maximise your speed at every chance, sometimes a trailing throttle is better than maximum accelerating and maximum braking when learning the track.....good luck

 

[MadduckUK]

practice practice practice. slow cars first then work your way up to the faster machines. just like real life there arent any shortcuts to mastering this track and youhave to put in the hours... and at the same time you want to learn the limits of the car your driving. this doesnt needto be done on the ring so you can add some variation (i like tsukuba for general tinkering and testing).

I still havent mastered the ring, theres plenty of times i overcook it into a blind turn when i should KNOW to ease off slightly. ittl come with practice, iv basically got the first 1/4 of the track sorted and the rest will hopefully follow.

as previously mentioned by INDUCE. becoming interested in the circuit is a great way to motivate you to keep trying.

Try for best times in sectors rather than whole laps. far more manageable chunks and should help!

- posted sobre

 

[chinko]

raced it over and over and over in the DTM cars. i use nurburg as a test track for my faster cars when ive won them although my laps arent incredibly clean. fastest is 5.59.903 in the minolta toyota

 

[hitman146]

you can just get good times with good driving skills i got 9.22 on the license test on the IA license

 

[EGFerio]

To learn it. I use a slower car and gradually to Group C's / LMP's in arcade.

 

[YuRiPa]

Easy!

1) Become fascinated by it
2) Watch movies of real racers going around the track
3) Watch other GT4 nuts speeding around the old course

You could skip point one but that would make point two a lot less interesting

I'll provide you with a video of me racing around the ring in an unmodified Sauber C9 (Oh, cliché!)

Here's your link: 5:19 on the 'Ring

5m19? Knew that was possible. My fastest time with my unmodified Sauber C9 is 5m22, but that's with a trip through the gravel. My aim is a time under 5m20, which is possible, now I know for sure. But to do the track perfectly in one lap ain't easy, I'm always too enthousiastic somewhere, which causes me to end up off the track. And I think I wanna do it too perfectly, don't wanna get on the grass, not even with one wheel... But it's nice to do, and I'll try to beat your 5m19. Think 5m19 is the fastest possible for me with the Sauber C9 unmodified on the Nurburgring. But it's possible, now I know for sure.

 

[chinko]

But to do the track perfectly in one lap ain't easy, I'm always too enthousiastic somewhere, which causes me to end up off the track. And I think I wanna do it too perfectly, don't wanna get on the grass, not even with one wheel

so true, i have NEVER done a completely clean lap at nurburgring. i always come off in at least 4 places and go too slow in about 10

 

[davidg1230]

With the Group C cars it's so hard to keep a good line on the first fast section (before the first right hander and first sector time) I've lost it so many times there when flat out. The wheel is kicking and shaking through this section, I'm using a GT force with lap attachment and I guess if I fixed it to a table it wouldn't move as much

 

[Messiah]

Memorise it - no other way. Yes, thats easier said than done - but there's lots of markers for braking points like signs, graffiti etc. The hardest thing about the track for me is finding a setup to cope with the bumps.

Been replaying Real Circuit tours - doing the 'ring at full chat in an LM car is brilliant.

 

[Rockhound18]

My advice is to just run the track a lot in mid range cars with good handling. Preferably the Opel Astra TC or the BMW M3 GTR RC. They are pretty fast, but still have good handling, but arent so fast that you cant control.

After a while you just get to know the track.

Also, before this, run the liscense tests that take place on the nurb a bunch (you can ignore the full lap tests til later, just do the short portion ones). This will help you learn pieces of the course very fast, and its not hard to recognize them mid run, so you can start to learn the course by putting different sections together.

After a little while, youll know the course like the back of your hand. To be honest, I think I know this course better than any other course in the game now.

 

[Gentry Coach]

Mission 34 is where I did it. I really hadn't done much on it, and it may be tough at first but after dedicating myself to it for a LONG time, I can race anything on it now.

 

[Samelborp]

One of my closest friend plays GT4 too, we chose a car (arcade BMW M5, no aids, default tires), and then we SMS each other with our fastest laps... so maybe you need some challenge, as the licenses others have mentioned in the thread.

BTW, my humbling time is 07:22...

 

[Axolot2]

Practice, practice, practice. You can't get good at playing the piano by watching and just listening and you can't get good at Nerfurberger by watching, looking, listening - only driving.... IMHO

Fastest time on 'ring - 5m10s with the GT4 F1......

 

[bigjoe]

I was having a hard time learning the back part of the track, after the Karussell to Schwalbenschwantz. No matter how many times I drove it I always lost track of where I was and my time suffered by reacting to the turns instead of setting up for them in advance. Then I ran the 24-hr race in A-spec. After a 50 or so laps I realized I was mentally breaking down the track into sections of corners, 2 to 4 corners per section. Once that set in my brain my times went from 7:20s to 7:02s consistantly. (Using the MB Touring car, stock except hard tires).

Practice makes perfect, but it helps to separate the track into little related sections that can be handled as a piece, instead of trying to memorize 170 odd individual corners.

 

[YuRiPa]

Practice, practice, practice. You can't get good at playing the piano by watching and just listening and you can't get good at Nerfurberger by watching, looking, listening - only driving.... IMHO

Fastest time on 'ring - 5m10s with the GT4 F1......

Wow, that's good with the F1. I wonder how you can control that car on the Nurburgring.. I can't... I fly to all directions, except the good one.

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Running the licence tests.. Dunno if that helps very much. Because the test cars (for example the Audi TT in test A-14 (or A15) I think, is a pain to drive with, at least, that's my opinion. So, the licence tests aren't always the best way to learn the track, but it's a good way indeed. It does teach the best driving lines. But the best is just to drive with your fave car, and start with the slower ones, and build up speed slowly, and eventually you can try to do clean laps with the F1 and Minolta... Which for me, is almost impossible. My best time with the Minolta is 5m32 or so, not very quick. Think times under 5m20 are possible with the Minolta, just like it is for the Sauber Mercedes. With the F1, my best time is 5m34 or so, not quick either...

 

[STINGER05]

1. You will have to learn the track by heart.

This is best done in a ''normal'' car (no sport super car/ LM, etc.). Go around the course and try to remember the various corners. Again,and again.
If you struggle, or as it seems to be all a bit of the same for you, go slow and look out for those green street signs along the track, giving names to the bends. You will then be able to remember easier. And its actually very satisfying to discuss the Ring with other enthusiasts, knowing exactly what they mean they get oversteer at 'Schwedenkreuz'', have breaking issues at Bruennchen, etc,etc.

2.Also, get a map from the Ring (google it or click here http://www.nurburgring.org.uk or try also
www.nuerburgring.de). The more you know of and about the Ring, the more you will love the track, appreciate its uniqueness and challenges!

3.Once you have a good idea of the various corners,apexes, straights, breaking zones, take the M3 BMW GTR Race Car (as davidg1230 recommended) This is a great car, forgiving, but fast...

I guarantee you will get into the flow, and discover the beauty of this track all over again. I actually enjoy going in a car like this much more than in the PD F1
or most of the LM cars, as you try to master it driving, and not just storming through it...(IMHO).

Keep up the positive spirit! You will get there !!!!

 

[G.T]

I got good at Nurgurgring by just practicing. The more time you spend on it, the better you'll get. You also have to know how to take corners on any track as well. Because I've played racing games for a long time, I just get used to a new or difficult track quickly.

My advice is practice. After a while it will become a sixth sence to drive well on any track. In fact I've driven so much, when I'm half asleep (literally) I still drive properly. Wierd.

 

[Androoos]

Yes, you have to learn the track by heart. I don't mean just the turns. The bumps, the curbs, the runoff areas, everything. That way you'll know when you anticipate the car getting out of shape on a bump and you'll know which curbs to avoid and which ones to use to your advantage.

It may help at first to learn the track in sections rather than corner-by-corner. 192 turns is a lot to memorize! Try to split it up into separate 'tracks' that make up one big track. Remember complexes (groups) of turns and what's coming after each complex.

Don't try to learn the track with a superfast car like the F1 or Minolta Toyota. Use a race car (because their handling is the best) but use a midrange one, as recommended above.

My personal endorsement goes to the M3 GTR race car. That car was MADE to run the 'Ring. Also, the Nissan Xanavi Skyline JGTC '03 is a great car to use since it handles so well but isn't blindingly fast in stock form.

I disagree with using Mission 34 with the SLR. That car is a pig, I hate it simply because of that driving mission. Supercar my butt hole.

Anyway, sorry for the rant, just practice practice practice, run free laps as long as you can stand it and you'll eventually get it down.