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Techincally they do make the best truck for 2006, although it isn't a truck.
 
Rogue Ssv
I know, but just interpreting for you

And now I bet I can really piss you off: GO RIDGELINE!!! GO HONDA!!! HONDA MAKES THE BEST TRUCK EVER THE RIDGELINE!!!

eew. Right concept. wrong drivetrain.
 
How about:

Ewww. Wrong concept, wrong execution, wrong design and wrong everything.

That thing isnt even a real truck, and stole the basic profile from Chevy Avalanche! 4 doors, midgate, the short bed....and they call it "Honda's innovative mid-gate approach" ticked me off. And that thing won many awards! Retarded as hell.
 
If taking on Toyota and Honda wassent enough, Hyundai thinks they are going to take on Lexus, Mercedes, and the rest of the luxury kids...

Leftlanenews.com=Spy photographers caught some interesting images of the 2008 Hyundai Equus. The car is believed to have a V8 engine and rear-wheel-drive. It will sit atop the Korean automaker’s lineup as the company’s flagship luxury sedan. It is expected to have an interior adorned with wood and leather
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...Wishful thinking on Hyundai's behalf?
 
Is that engine overheating? :indiff:

By the way my friend's parents in Korea has that car, the name is supposedly applied to the now-dead Hyundai XG350 in Korea. They might change it like Honda did it with the Accord/TSX though.
 
Haha the engine blew!
Hyundais old faux luxo pieces of crap sucked, but it might win this time. Anyway didnt you read the article in Automobile (I think) last year about the C320 being worse than the XG350?
Oh and I was just saying the Ridgeline rocks to piss you off. It SUCKS! They only love it cuz its a Honda...
 
Yss: you pointed out PERFECT samles of the death of the american car. Buick, ford, Mercury. c'mon...20 years of only being allowed to make pedestrian sedans has ruined things. america specializes in two things...muscle cars and full size pickups. everything else dies. we've even been booted outa the minivan market.

GT4_rule: *hauls you off your USA #1 high horse* puh-lease. can't take the concept of someone beating us at our own game? live with it. the rest of the world considers us scumbags. let Hundai have it's day in the sun, and Honda put a lot of polish on it's two MT of the year trophies. besides...what are you gonna pic when your only believable competition is a pair of Dodge Rams? oh, just notoced the BC location...why are you pluggin american vehicles, then, eh?
 
Sniffs
Yss: you pointed out PERFECT samles of the death of the american car. Buick, ford, Mercury. c'mon...20 years of only being allowed to make pedestrian sedans has ruined things. america specializes in two things...muscle cars and full size pickups. everything else dies. we've even been booted outa the minivan market.

GT4_rule: *hauls you off your USA #1 high horse* puh-lease. can't take the concept of someone beating us at our own game? live with it. the rest of the world considers us scumbags. let Hundai have it's day in the sun, and Honda put a lot of polish on it's two MT of the year trophies. besides...what are you gonna pic when your only believable competition is a pair of Dodge Rams? oh, just notoced the BC location...why are you pluggin american vehicles, then, eh?

Umm....have you noticed...that I am for Hyundai and not against it? Oh and the location doesn't really matter, my brother is all for Japanese cars when we're in Canada. I am all for Hyundai and American cars when I'm in Canada. Location doesn't matter, again.

I am for Hyundai and support them to become another major car maker. I am not against them, hopefully I got my point across.
 
Rogue Ssv
Haha the engine blew!

Yeah it blew so bad they managed to drive it away........ It looks like it just got a bit hot.
 
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Yss: you pointed out PERFECT samles of the death of the american car. Buick, ford, Mercury. c'mon...20 years of only being allowed to make pedestrian sedans has ruined things. america specializes in two things...muscle cars and full size pickups. everything else dies. we've even been booted outa the minivan market.

Since when have all of our products beyond "musclecars and full size pickup trucks" been dying? I see plenty of VUEs and Equinoxes on the road, same with the "pedesdrian" Impala and Tauruses...

Unfortunately it seems that you have fallen into the pitfall created by the mass-media portraying the American automotive companies as dying geezers in the retirement homes of South Florida. GM is alive and kicking, and they have taken off the gloves to compete with Toyota and Honda to stay on top as the worlds largest and best-selling automaker. Nearly every single one of their products sold in North America is comparable to the Honda and Toyota counterpart in terms of reliability, performance, efficency and price... With the added benefit of cheaper insurance rates, I find it hard to belive that their cars and trucks are "dying" against the competition. Sure, their minivan lineup has been a failure (with the exception of the Saturn Relay), but every company comes out with a car or truck once in a while that just wont sell well.

Ford, like GM, is doing better after trimming the company down as well. They still cannot build enough Mustangs to meet demand, and they are on the verge of selling one of the best Mustangs ever built, the GT500. The Fusion is winning awards and praise from the press for being a cheap alternative to the Japanese models in the same class, and with the new Edge on the way, I am certain that will do well as well against the CRV and RAV-4.

As far as DCX goes, the 300C is a HUGE success and they are giving it it's first refresh for 2007 with a slightly updated interior. Their minivans still sell well, and are generally the standards in the market for most companies. Although the Odessey and Sienna are widely considered the best minivans on the market, most people shop the Dodge and Chrysler windows first, so what does that tell you?

I can defend the American car companies all day against any foreign compeditor, esp. when there are so many missinformed dolts out there who seem to think every American vehicle is sub-par when compared to the rest of the market.

Wanna hear how bad it is going to get for the Japanese automakers? Here is a sample of what is just begining to happen...

Leftlanenews.com
Universally recognized as the leader in reliability and build quality, Toyota is taking a hit to that reputation due to a new model that is “plagued with problems.” The 2006 Avalon is causing a lot of owners grief, according to columnist Mark Rechtin. “There have been significant throttle control and transmission hesitation issues,” says Avalon owner Alan Seider, 45, a computer consultant from Roswell, Ga. “I’ve isolated 15 different rattles in the body work.” Seider is far from alone, says Rechtin. “Internet chat rooms are littered with complaints from Toyota loyalists about the redesigned Avalon, which went on sale in February 2005.”

Toyota is seeing just the begining of what happens when your feet outpace your body when it comes to the baisics of car building on a grand scale. Poor build quality is a sign that something isnt working out well for them, and I wouldnt be surprised to see the same things begining to happen with the new Camry as well.

I laugh in the face of everyone who seems to think that Toyota is the supreme leader when it comes to quality and refinement in all forms of automobiles, because it just isnt true. Don't be surprised when Honda recalls 300,000 Accords because of faulty seatbelt connectors, Nissan cant sell the new Altima because of deep-dash rattles behind the radios, and Mitsubishi alltogether withdraws from the US market because their cars simply suck (besides the Evo).

As I have said, when times get tough for American automakers, the gloves come off. It is exactly what happened in the early '90s when everyone began to question the Detroit boys, and they responded with products that were on par and cheaper, and thus sold better. We are in the same situation today, and with the "Turn-on-heels" responces to the wants and needs of customers that GM and Ford seem to be doing, it is a good sign that they are serious about knocking Toyota and Honda back down a few notches where they belong...
 
Yo dont bash GT4 for supporting the underdogs! Anyway if you'd read his posts you'd know he IS for hyundai.And I think American trucks are the best.
 
No wonder I respect you, YSSMAN. Spot-on!

May I ask a question though; why does Saturn Relay always excepted from the failure of the minivan line-up all the time? I mean, what makes Relay so special that it wasn't a failure? :confused:

Edit: thanks Rogue :)
 
Its the only one thats better than the brand''s previous cars;)
I dunno... they all suck
Hey GT4 your still on? Thought you DIED an hour ago.
 
Literally, yeah. Ever heard of a Quadratic Funtion? No you wouldnt wanna know what it is. But I did finish the homework, finally.
 
Lets not turn this into a convo thread because then it might be locked.

Its almost 10 at the West Coast.

Anyways, Hyundai needs a RWD car. All their other cars are FWD, and only the SUVs are RWD. They already have handsome design, a capable engine, and a proper transmission and knowledge of making good cars, so I'm all for introducing the ultra-luxury model. But Hyundai needs to see how the Azera goes, if it does as poor as the XG350 (which I frankly hope not) then they should hold off the luxury model until the firm foothold has been established.
 
GT4_Rule
How about:

Ewww. Wrong concept, wrong execution, wrong design and wrong everything.

That thing isnt even a real truck, and stole the basic profile from Chevy Avalanche! 4 doors, midgate, the short bed....and they call it "Honda's innovative mid-gate approach" ticked me off. And that thing won many awards! Retarded as hell.

+1 Let me say this again to the world. The Ridgeline is the worst thing to come out of Honda ever. The CRV is close but the Ridgeline is the most pathetic utility vehicle. It's not even a real truck.

VIPERGTSR01
Yeah it blew so bad they managed to drive it away........ It looks like it just got a bit hot.

Yea I mean it's not like there are any large pieces of plastic all over the bodywork and front end or anything. :sly:

I for one wish all the best luck to Hyundai and I think the Koreans are indeed catching up with the Japanese. Build quality is improving quite a bit, dessgn has improved 10-fold, and most importantly the warranty is already one of the best on the market. Oh and a little tidbit, last month I drove a new Sonata with the 234bhp V6 and was quite satisfied with not only the build quality but the noise the engine and exhaust make. Sounds better than any Toyota, Honda, or Mazda. In terms of Asian automakers Nissan is the only one that has a better noise. I invite any no-believer in Hyundai to open your mind, close your mouth, and drive a new Sonata V6.

Oh and is it just me or do I get the feeling that the next Tiburon will have that lucious V6? I'm drooling just thinking about it. :drool:
 
So am I. Hey GT4 are you on invisible mode? cuz it says 2 members but only reads me.
Anyway its 1am here, and yes I agree. They also need a new proper sports car, one that looks good and performs good for cheap. And the Azera's doing great from what Ive heard. The XG350 didnt do bad either, it just sucked in quality. But it sold, and pretty quickly.
I actually like the styling of the Kia Amanti by the way, no clue why. :confused:
By the way my dad drove a Sonata recently. He also drove a Mazda6, Camry, Accord, and Prius. He liked the Sonata the best, by FAR.
GO HYUNDAI!!!
Then again my dad says the HHR is better than the PT Cruiser, Mazda3, Civic Si, and Jetta.
 
Kia Amanti? That thing? It doesnt look good, although it does have some good thinking into it, such as wide-opening doors. I got into one at auto show and damn, it was quiet! The doors opened (I swear) 90degrees and it was really easy to get in and out of. And even if I tap the door a tiny bit, it will close properly, with a reassuring thud, not close halfway. But again, that thing looks pretty bad and its slow too.

Btw Im not using invisible mode, I hate to hide myself. I just come, read and post and go to the next thread I need to go to.
 
GT4_Rule
May I ask a question though; why does Saturn Relay always excepted from the failure of the minivan line-up all the time? I mean, what makes Relay so special that it wasn't a failure?

I think it is a combination of good price/packaging and looks that are generally better than that of the SV6 Montana, Terraza, and Uplander. It just seems to fit the Saturn lineup better than anyone else's, and with its quirkyness, it seems acceptable badged as a Saturn.

Car and Driver said in their last issue that a new minivan comparo is due (they havent done one in almost two years), and I would expect the following to compete:
- Honda Odyssey
- Toyota Sienna
- Hyundai Entourage
- Kia Sedona
- Saturn Relay
- Dodge Grand Caravan w/ Stow-and-Go
- Either the Mazda5 or MPV

...Thats about it.

My money is on the Korean twins to take it top honors (probably the Hyundai in first with Kia in a close second), followed closely by Honda, Toyota, Saturn and Mazda in a tie, and Dodge in last. Of course it is a guess, and it will depend on the competition, but going by what I have seen at the autoshows, the Korean vans are superior to the Honda and Toyota because of the similar refinement levels, lower prices, and better warranty...
 
YSSMAN
I think it is a combination of good price/packaging and looks that are generally better than that of the SV6 Montana, Terraza, and Uplander. It just seems to fit the Saturn lineup better than anyone else's, and with its quirkyness, it seems acceptable badged as a Saturn.

Car and Driver said in their last issue that a new minivan comparo is due (they havent done one in almost two years), and I would expect the following to compete:
- Honda Odyssey
- Toyota Sienna
- Hyundai Entourage
- Kia Sedona
- Saturn Relay
- Dodge Grand Caravan w/ Stow-and-Go
- Either the Mazda5 or MPV

...Thats about it.

My money is on the Korean twins to take it top honors (probably the Hyundai in first with Kia in a close second), followed closely by Honda, Toyota, Saturn and Mazda in a tie, and Dodge in last. Of course it is a guess, and it will depend on the competition, but going by what I have seen at the autoshows, the Korean vans are superior to the Honda and Toyota because of the similar refinement levels, lower prices, and better warranty...

Hmm, I see. I thought you were biased for Saturns so yeah, just a humble question :ouch:
 
I wouldnt think that a Saturn would win, but I wouldnt say it is the worst minivan available. I think the problem is that the competition is generally too good in the segment to really make the Saturn a winner over the others.

People who buy the Saturn are going to be looking for value, spunkyness, and the Saturn feel to the product. It isnt superior really to any of the other minivans, it is sufice to be called a compeditor in most situations. I would probably go for the Saturn before the Honda or Toyota, but the problem is, the Hyundai and Kia vans are vastly superior by days end... But thats just my opinion...
 
YSSMAN
I wouldnt think that a Saturn would win, but I wouldnt say it is the worst minivan available. I think the problem is that the competition is generally too good in the segment to really make the Saturn a winner over the others.

People who buy the Saturn are going to be looking for value, spunkyness, and the Saturn feel to the product. It isnt superior really to any of the other minivans, it is sufice to be called a compeditor in most situations. I would probably go for the Saturn before the Honda or Toyota, but the problem is, the Hyundai and Kia vans are vastly superior by days end... But thats just my opinion...

Oh and they do look good, and offer more bang for the buck than anything else.
 
YSSMAN
Toyota is seeing just the begining of what happens when your feet outpace your body when it comes to the baisics of car building on a grand scale. Poor build quality is a sign that something isnt working out well for them, and I wouldnt be surprised to see the same things begining to happen with the new Camry as well.

I laugh in the face of everyone who seems to think that Toyota is the supreme leader when it comes to quality and refinement in all forms of automobiles, because it just isnt true. Don't be surprised when Honda recalls 300,000 Accords because of faulty seatbelt connectors, Nissan cant sell the new Altima because of deep-dash rattles behind the radios, and Mitsubishi alltogether withdraws from the US market because their cars simply suck (besides the Evo).

As I have said, when times get tough for American automakers, the gloves come off. It is exactly what happened in the early '90s when everyone began to question the Detroit boys, and they responded with products that were on par and cheaper, and thus sold better. We are in the same situation today, and with the "Turn-on-heels" responces to the wants and needs of customers that GM and Ford seem to be doing, it is a good sign that they are serious about knocking Toyota and Honda back down a few notches where they belong...

Although I don't think Toyota or Honda could fall very far, I think back to what the late 80's did to Nissan.

And you're very right on the quality issue. Toyota has had... what?... a zillion recalls in the past two years... sludge issues with their 1.8 liter compact engines, declining cabin quality and design... and problems with diesel fuel pumps on newer direct injection models (which they blame on poor diesel quality... BULL!... it's the same diesel every BMW X5 or 530d uses... the same diesel that Hyundai direct injections run on without a hiccup)...

I'm more pro-Honda than Toyota, but they have their share of issues. The CRV fires in the US, loose gas tanks here in my country and poor interior trim
... sometimes blamed on local labor... the same local labor force that's won JD Powers awards regionally with Nissan and Ford (can you believe it?) cars. :lol:

American cars don't have that far to go. It's just public perception that has to catch up.

Of course with GM selling Daewoo rebadges, and everyone and their mother knowing that new Fords and Mazdas are basically the same thing (not a bad thing, but people wonder why they need to pay more), that's going to be kind of difficult.

Oh, yeah, to stay on topic... go Hyundai! I'm thinking of getting one by the end of the year... a turbodiesel supermini... mmmhmmm... :lol:
 
...But are the problems of Toyota spoken widely about in the media? Nope! Maybe thats why so many people have this issue with American cars...?
 
niky
American cars don't have that far to go. It's just public perception that has to catch up.
Exactly. Even if somebody catches up with Toyota now, I think it's going to take another decade for everyone to catch on.

niky
Of course with GM selling Daewoo rebadges, and everyone and their mother knowing that new Fords and Mazdas are basically the same thing (not a bad thing, but people wonder why they need to pay more), that's going to be kind of difficult.
I've known couple of people who drove Focuses regularly. They swear that Mazda 3's a better car....... Mazda 3 do share a platform with the Focus, right? Or does it share it with the new Focus, which North America doesn't have yet.... :confused:
 
GT4_Rule
Oh and they do look good, and offer more bang for the buck than anything else.
Looks good? My ASS looks good!
That thing and all of its GM brethren are hideous, theyre pretending to be SUV's but theyre fooling no one, they just look awkward.
Anyway, C/D, Automobile, R&T, Motor Trend, and Autoweek all hate it.
 
a6m5
Exactly. Even if somebody catches up with Toyota now, I think it's going to take another decade for everyone to catch on.


I've known couple of people who drove Focuses regularly. They swear that Mazda 3's a better car....... Mazda 3 do share a platform with the Focus, right? Or does it share it with the new Focus, which North America doesn't have yet.... :confused:
And Mazda3s are better cars. Then again Im heavily biased because I have one. BTW how dyou put 2 quotes in 1 post? Thx in advance.
 
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