I am a punter

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I had the unfortunate error of losing control of the Aston Martin DB9 at 650PP heading through 100R last night against this very same chap whom I'd come to consider as a decent bloke after he labelled me as a rammer.

Try as I might, I couldn't contain the power oversteer through the corner, lost the rear end and ended up with a tank-slapper that unfortunately speared me back onto the track just as this gentleman was making the pass after seeing me "lose it".

I didn't have control of the car, I was pushing like mad to keep ahead of him and anyone here who has driven the old Aston would know it's a handful at standard PP's let alone 650. So the tank-slapper resulted in me sliding across the track and T-boning the poor fellow as he was making his pass. Just a slight touch mind you, but enough to have him slide off into the dirt momentarily.

I was able to regain control of the DB before he could extract himself from the sandpit, and I waited for him to regain his position on the track before we resumed racing. I was somewhat disappointed at my racing error, I wanted a victory and wanted it rather badly, but he was graciously quicker than I. He continued to pull away over the next couple of laps in the California and finished probably 7-10 seconds ahead of me.

After the race I sent a message of apology, in full capitals. I had made a mistake and I had touched him. I had waited, but that still didn't excuse my poor driving and seeing as he had labelled me as a punter first time around (a view I still don't share), I was all-too willing to admit my clear and obvious mistake this time.

The response was along the lines of "Seen you showboat racers before."

Hmmmmmm..... not exactly the response I was expecting.....

It it not customary after a driver waits for you and then sends an apology to accept their mistake? Anyone whom apologises to me always gets the thumbs up and "No worries mate," reply.

What was with this bloke?

Perhaps I am expecting too much, but I think I shant bother with this snob anymore. I have done everything I can in my power as a proper and honourable GT player to extend the olive branch and it seems as if this fellow is just looking for an excuse to paint me (and everyone else) with the same brush.

Thanks for the messages of support, perhaps you guys are all too right. I shall not waste my time with tossers in the future. As long as I drive with a clean conscience, wait when it is necessary and send messages of apology when I make a mistake, then I should not fear being called a punter by people who obviously see themselves higher than thou.

-Sonny
 
Personally If I were you I wouldn't race with him anymore unless you can help it, he has a weird personality.
 
If he is going to act like that, then dont bother. As long as YOU know youre a clean driver... that should be enough! You shouldnt stress to much about what other people think or say especially not in this virtual world where anonymity plays a large role which makes people more likely to do things like this or act in eccentric ways...
 
Please, allow me to respond.

If you are going to share what I thought was private correspondence with members of your forum via the internet, at least have the decency to quote people correctly. (I still have all original messages) You have twisted things I've said and omitted things you have said. If you are going to present my messages as evidence of some kind of reflection on my character, you must provide them in a complete transcript.

1. I am not from Adelaide

2.My Subaru has only 610pp

3. misquote: My first reply to your original, intentionally taunting message was "Yeah right. You tap me into the sand and then drive off like you're some kind of winner. Go 'have relations' with yourself.

Note the word tap. It was not until my response much later, to your offer of a 're-match' that the word Punter was used.

The title of the message was "Don't race punters", intentionally brief and venomous, as by this stage you weren't my favorite person in the world and I knew it would sting. Lo and behold, I hit the bulls-eye and here we are with you turning it into some sort of e-drama. This of course was retaliation for your message in which you began name calling (something about me being a ----head) and then proceeded to tell me that I needed to learn to drive. Guess you forgot to mention that message!

Quite frankly the whole tone of your original post smacks of smug superiority, I think the reason you are so upset and continuing this rubbish is that each time we've met on the track since this incident 'that has scarred you so badly', I've beaten you.

My side of the story.

After spending a good 2-3 hours getting smacked to all corners far and wide, by wonderful gentlemen from all over the globe. I gave up on getting a decent race in the GTR and decided, as a form of stress relief, I would go get my Subaru and proceed to destroy a set of Bridgestone's.

I generally get poll position because of the low pp so when the flag drops I pull to the side and let the field go bye. As I'm not taking any serious part in the race there's no point me ruining anybody's start and it avoids the mandatory crawl out of the sandtrap at T1 from being hit by an overly zealous competitor.

Once the field has proceeded to knock each other senseless through T1 and T2, I hook into it and have some fun. Occasionally I might run into another back-marker or someone who's had a crash, but mostly I was just belting around on my own.

I was actually stoked when I saw the grid for the next race contained only 3 cars and one was another Aussie, I'd seen your name before and expected a good fair go. (Not everybody that reads these forums posts here)

So yes, I thought 'I'm going to have a crack here'. I wound that Subaru up and took off like a bullet, I knew I only had one chance and I wasn't going to die wondering. I hooked through T1 and T2 with plenty of opposite lock and did not lift my foot. As I had been practicing it for the past half hour I managed to pull it off and to my own delight (and surprise) I was still in front.

I then figured that unless I could stay with you guys until the hairpin it would be all over and that would be the last I would see of you, so I proceeded to hook into it and was 'shocked and deeply saddened' to see our French counterpart leave the track surface in a cloud of dust. As I was pretty sure I had nothing to do with it I continued punting the Sooby as hard as I could.

I was not using any e-brake, I was merely using the 4wd system to brute force my way around the corners, you should try it some time, it's actually a quick way to get it through a lot of corners . If you can keep all 4 wheels spinning I find it can prevent turbo-lag, especially on the tighter stuff.

Corner after corner, I managed to keep it on the track. I had a grin the size of the Sydney Harbor Bridge and was really enjoying myself. I knew it was not going to last so I was making the most of it. It was the only real enjoyment the game had given me all day.

So just past the the right-hand kink before the hairpin I start to squeeze a little brake to prevent releasing the rear wheels before I begin serious braking and downshifting, I get tapped from behind. Not a big whack but an audible bang was heard and it was just hard enough to knock me 10 metres and 10kph past my braking point. That's why I looked like a guy that had missed his brake marker and was desperately trying to get it all back in shape.

I now found myself in familiar territory, at the back wall of the sand-trap. I then proceed to turn the Subaru around only to find the 'nasty black car' that hit me is gone, I quickly look for the Frenchman and realize that he has left the game. (Did you send him a sarcastic message? Or was it just me?) I then watch your blip as you proceed to hammer it around the track, I sat there and thought "he's not stopping". How long should I have waited to see if you were going to stop?

If you were going to stop, you would have done it long before getting back to pit lane. I figured you were quite content to drive around on your own so I proceeded to leave the game out of shear frustration.

Did I send you any messages? No, you started it with your taunting original message. So not only have you spoilt the most fun I was having all day, you have then been a cheeky 'fatherless boy' about it.

I replied to your taunt by stating that I felt you had tapped me into the sand-trap, and then driven off laughing about it. I then suggested you commit unnatural acts with yourself. What did you honestly expect? cont....

You replied by claiming that my head resembled mens private parts and called into question my ability to drive. My feelings were crushed.http://1714.voxcdn.com/forum/images/smilies/grumpy.gif

It was only then that I 'pulled out the big stick' and labelled you a punter, I also stated that felt you were the type of person that spoils the game. All's fair in love and war my friend, don't be upset because I can play the name-calling game better than you.

You then replied that you didn't feel you had hit me and wanted to race me again. You were the last person in the world I wanted to race with at that point in time.



You claim you "watched my blip" to see if I would continue, by the time I turned the Subaru around you were long gone and you didn't lift off at any stage. I watched your blip go sailing away as if nothing had happened. To quote your original post "I sailed through the corner and took off". As for your claim that you pulled over in Pit Lane to let me catch up, why wait 2/3's of a lap, why not pull over anywhere on the track? It was just you and I, you weren't going to inconvenience anybody but yourself by stopping. Seriously, was I supposed to haul my backside out of the sand-trap and then pursue a fast moving GT with a lot more pp than me. I enjoy a challenge but that's biting off more than I can chew.



The message I sent you after the race in the Aston Martin 'incident' merely contains segments from your original post here in this thread. I was attempting to let you know that I was aware of this thread and have been for some time. I figured you were just an 'e-drama queen' and things would settle down and life would go back to normal. But alas, no, it sailed right over your head and you latched onto it as another opportunity to do some grandstanding by twisting what was said. Go and re-read what 'you' wrote in your original post, "showboating", "I'd seen guys like this before, knife-edge racers. One mistake and they'd be gone."

So, my response to your SORRY! message of "Just a matter of time, I've seen you showboating knife's edge racers before" was merely your own words and attitude thrown back at you with a little subtlety and wit. Unfortunately you weren't quite bright enough to see what I had done. Now you're here on the internet crying about it.

I now see that in your latest post you attempt to use it as some way to gain the high moral ground. "I've done everything in my power etc etc etc" You really need to get a life.

I was quite agreeable and polite in all our correspondence since I suggested we ' both get over it and get back to racing', and would have been content to leave it at that. It would not have been the first time I had started out fighting with someone and ended becoming friends with them.

But no, you had to make a big deal out of it, standing on your soapbox, working the crowd for sympathy, you should be ashamed of yourself. Anybody with an ounce of common sense can see what you're trying to do. I would understand this behavior from a teenager but from what I can tell you're supposed to be a grown man.

As for your patting yourself on the back for not naming me?, you may as well have. Anybody who drives the same times I do will have seen that I'm the idiot in the white Subaru and put 2 + 2 together, the world is not completely over-run with fools. I'm also aware that you have named me in private messages with other drivers.

I think you are a small man of low character and I will take no further part in this rubbish. You got called a 'punter' - get over it!

So, to sum it all up.

In my opinion, you have gone from being 'the type of person who spoils this game' to 'The person who has actually spoilt the game.' This incident has soured my GT online gaming experience and I will be taking no further part in online racing. It's a pity because I was actually enjoying it, I've met some really good people and was looking forward to the release of GT5.

Thank you for taking the time to read this, I apologize for airing my dirty laundry in public but felt it was time another point of view was put forward.



This is the first and last time I will be posting at this forum, I tend to try not to waste my time on trivialities like this but could not help but feel that only one side of the story was being told. I'm sure that AERO_HDT's fan-boy's will fill the thread with support for him and that's all good, but at least take the time to look at it from my point of view. To me he was just another in the long line of people who had crashed into me that day, he then chose to send me a sarcastic message about it which quite frankly ticked me off. A bit of name-calling went on and that was it, all the rest is smoke and mirrors for the sake of one mans entertainment.

So all you people who are busily typing out "good riddance" messages - I'm way ahead of you!

Have fun with the racing!
 
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If this thread becomes a punters & ranters thread , then it'll be closed pretty soon.

I guess some here can't read, or they simply don't care just as long as they get to rant before the thread is closed. :rolleyes:

I hope that now you all can see why we don't do punter threads here any more.

If you want to rant, do it back channel.
 
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