I cant drift to save my life.

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I need a lot help with drifting.
EDIT:OK. Heres me drifting the C-West Razo S15 on Midfield. I tired to keep in mind what Tank and Swift said, but I dont think I did so good becuase I was excited that I just won the S15 and that this isnt a video where I video taped my TV screen. I posted the settings on my last post. Its on sims all around. Tanks advise hasnt been used in this.
Right click the link, copy the link location, then paste that into your address bar. Clicking the link doesnt work.
 
Driftnewb110
I need a lot help with drifting. Heres a sample. What should I do?

ok, the first thing you should do is realize that angelfire doesnt allow directing link to files hosted on their servers, in the way you tried to do it.
For other members, here's how you view it. Right click the link, copy the link location, then paste that into your address bar. Clicking the link doesnt work. Maybe edit your first post and add this in driftnewb

secondly about the drifting:
my first suggestion in this regard is perhaps try de-tuning your Altezza a little bit. It sounded pretty beefy, I'm going to guess...360-ish hp? try taking it down to 270 and see how it does. Too much power can make proper throttle control more difficult than it really need be.

It looks like the main thing you need to focus on is getting your countersteer working in harmony with your throttle control.

Notice how on turn one, you lose your drift when you go to full opposite lock for a second?
the same thing happens on the double-apex right-hander going into the tunnel. From what i can see there wasnt the need for the drastic steering motion you took on that turn. You had a real nice drift goin.

I know it can be instinctive to pour on gobs of steering angle when things are looking like their headed for an off-track excursion, but just try giving it a little less. And so what if you do end up in the dirt. Collect it up, do another lap, and be a bit more gentle on the controls, maybe take a tighter line or less speed if you find yourself always running out of road in the same place.

Maintaining a drift at constant angle is all about force equilibrium. However, since forces are not a visible entity in GT3, i will explain my point in terms of velocities and accelerations, its easier to understand like this anyways.

Speaking loosely, in a drift, the angular velocity (rotation) acting most noticeably on the rear of the car must be held in check by the tangential velocity of the car with respect to the turn's radial arc (aka. the curb), which is controlled predominantly by the steering wheels up front.
Balance is crucial!
If the angular velocity of the rear wheels with respect to the fronts becomes too large, the tail whips around, and you end up looking backwards. Every car has its limits, its up to you to learn them.
And, if you're accelerating around a turn (increasing tangential velocity, called tangential acceleration) faster than you're increasing the rotation of the car (angular acceleration), then you lose some or all of your drift angle (and could end up with a bunch of understeer if you take it far enough). This is what happened to the 2 drifts i pulled out of your video.
Simple physics. :sly:
So its easy to see why drastic steering changes are going to end up causing you to lose your drift, unless drastic amounts of power are also sent to the rear wheels.

the problems encountered on the next long lefty i think are just to do with your entry. You took a little bit too tight of a line into this one, and got the front tires on the rumble strip. Its hard countersteering when the front end is bouncing eh?
Dont worry, you'll get it right.

all in all, if i were you, i wouldnt sweat it too much.
After your opening remarks, i was expecting much worse.
You're headed along the right track, imo, just more practice is required.
I know its frustrating when a lap doesnt quite come together the way you wanted, but you just have to keep at it.

best of luck :) 👍
(i may add more later if i view it a few more times)


edit:
ok, here's the 'more' i was talking about
i think my advice still applies to the second vid you just uploaded. Just really focus on being smooth on the gas and steering. Ideally, you want to make them work together, not against each other.
Turn 2 looked great btw!
 
wow, that was alot to read. but ya, listen to tank.
post your setup,tires,and hp and well see how thoes look.
 
hrm, ya it is. realized that after i was finished with it
maybe i did get a bit too carried away with the mechanics of it,
*shrugs*
hope it was helpful
 
TankSpanker
hrm, ya it is. realized that after i was finished with it
maybe i did get a bit too carried away with the mechanics of it,
*shrugs*
hope it was helpful


knowledge is power, and you seem to have alot of it. i see you becoming an important asset to this forum sometime in the near future.
 
drift punk
knowledge is power, and you seem to have alot of it. i see you becoming an impotant asset to this forum sometime in the near future.
i agree with you on that.
 
drift punk
knowledge is power, and you seem to have alot of it. i see you becoming an impotant asset to this forum sometime in the near future.

umm... did you just call me impotent? :p
heh, thanks for that, despite the typo
 
TankSpanker
hrm, ya it is. realized that after i was finished with it
maybe i did get a bit too carried away with the mechanics of it,
*shrugs*
hope it was helpful
yes, it did help. i couldnt understand some parts of it, but you know the 3 big loops on complex string, ive been practicing and i could drift at least half of it before my S13 regains traction. I tried it with the trueno ss and i could get like 3/4 before i spin out.
 
First off, You CAN drift to save your life. I'm not sure how much of a life you'd have left...but you'd certainly save you life! :)

Second, everything TankSpanker said is spot on. However, I think it's the second tier to the primary reason you're in the grass 50% of the time. Your line.

Specifically you start your drift way too late. IF you notice, you get to opposite lock at the exit of the drift. that's usually when you want to be coming out of opposite lock, depending on the situation.

Start your drift earlier and try to take a racing line of Out-In-Out. This will help you to understand what's up with that. Then it's a matter of Tankspanker's advise about throttle and steering.
 
ah, good point Swift,
I wasnt watching that quite as closely as his input, but you're absolutely right
👍
 
TankSpanker
ah, good point Swift,
I wasnt watching that quite as closely as his input, but you're absolutely right
👍

It's all good. We all see the same thing in a slighty different way. As long as we cover all the bases! :)
 
Your drifts are looking good so just keep practicing and you will get to the stage that some of the guys around here are.

One of the hardest thing in drifting to master is the line. The right line is the key to good drifts so just try the Out-In-Out method that Swift suggested and just keep at it. Im still trying to get the right lines and now I need to practice a lot more. Damn Need For Speed. Word of advice to everyone here: Dont EVER play need for speed if you want to maintain the drift skill level you have in GT3. NFS messes with your mind and it takes a long time to get it back.
 
BMW318_DRIFTER
Im still trying to get the right lines and now I need to practice a lot more. Damn Need For Speed. Word of advice to everyone here: Dont EVER play need for speed if you want to maintain the drift skill level you have in GT3. NFS messes with your mind and it takes a long time to get it back.
LOL!!!!I was going to start a thread about that.
 
ME SHO HAPPY!! I figured out a way to make a video without having to video tape the screen and it was the same quality as a capture card or s-video, but it didnt use either of that. I put a new video and I want to know how you guys think I improved. I did not get the stage 2 turbo, so the S15 only makes 311 and its on sims.
The only settings I changed were:
Camber: 3.5/2.5
Stablizer: 1/1
LSD: 50/50/50
 
ok, I dont know what its called, but I bought a Dazzle MovieStar 5 a year ago to do a class project.It came with this like adapter(I guess its like a sharkport) where you stick your video r-audio and l-audio from your camera. Its a DV80 or DVC80 im to lazy to check right now cause Im eating breakfast, anywayz, instead of video taping my tv and attaching the camera to the computer, I attached the video and audio cables from my PS2 and put it in the sharkport like thing I have, attached that to the computer, went to my program to capture, and what I saw was my replay, so then I started it again and captured it.
 
Not bad with both videos. I've tried out the Silvia. It's an interesting car to say the least, even for drifting.

Because far as I know this is a Japan GT300 car, it's a race car and not exactly meant for drifting right off the bat. That is not to say though it's not drift-able.

No to the contrary It can be drifted. It takes work even with sims, then again maybe it's the car setup, but you can throw this baby around as you had showed us. But there's a real stress on control and finesse with this car. I feel with this car I have to try harder to get it into drift with some turns while others the drifts come with ease. It's a very fun car actually, I like it :). Looks like material you'd see in D1, I'd show you my reply but I lack any means to show it :(.

But any-who, I think you just need to simply keep at it. My style is high angle at the entrance and either keep the skid going decreasing angle at the exit or keep that skid going into another turn for linking drifts sometimes, but I start each one with a feint usually to shift weight, though this method is slower usually than something like braking, lift off or power over, I find this effective with any machine from a Trueno to a Corvette. But even so it's obviously difficult on Midfield because far as I know, you either need a lot of power and/or a way to keep that skid going with speed. You aren't bad actually, especially since that car has more grip than I though less you really push it.

I'm more for courses that are technical like Trial mountain and Deep forest, but that doesn't mean I have one or two replays of me going around midfield (more on II than one though, I'm better on the reverse than the forward, which i find rather sad). My suggestion is to try and get more of a handle of this car the way it stands on a variety of places, namely just to go at it grip style or semi-race, whatever or just go nuts with the drifting and see how far you can push it.

My only other suggestion is to work on finesse, at the least if you're using a Dual Shock 2, to use the left analog stick for steering, it helps less you REALLY know what you're doing. Someone like DR would also suggest to do the same for throttle and brake on the right stick but I stick to the buttons (and because they are pressure sensitive, I can do some control on throttle on 3-5 levels, but I'm not Takahashi Keisuke though (and if you're wondering why the heck I mention Keisuke, watch Stage 4, Episode 8 of Initial D... that's my only hint...), least with the DC but if you saw my inputs it would suggest sometimes I would be using pedals :).

Slight bragging aside (that I can't really back up with no way to even show it: :(, I'm convinced myself but what would it matter if I can't even show it?), just keep at it, I'm not sure what else to say. Maybe besides car setup which I may mention later, I'm sure a vet or pro like DR or Swift has something to say that I forgot somehow. Oh well, till later.
 
i thought drifting was a way to increase your chances of getting into an accident or getting killed....

we should all keep to going straight and easy...


...who up for some FAST N FURIOUS STREET RACING! w0000! *peels out in my 18000hp model t*

sorry for being a prick for a second there. keep up the mad tyte dorifto action.

you'll get better.
 
Hi... Haven't posted here in awhile... Looks like i'm back.. for a second time.. :) .. anyway If you really want to improve , just practice tracks over and over and stick with it don't give up. BTW I saw the vid when you first posted it , Not bad your getting there. 👍
 
For someone who says they can't drift thats pretty good. Better than me at least but then again thats no big achievment.

I've just started drifting recently and I'm getting better but I'm nowhere near Driftnewb. I'm using a Camaro SS with an oil change, race exhaust, sim tyres, weight loss 1 and suspension stage 3. It's a bit hard to handle but I'm pretty good with the throttle control, its got enough grunt to drift all the way round most of the really big corners. I'll probably stick in a race gearbox and fiddle with the ratios later on though. I've tried other cars but I like this one for drifting.
 
Ryen49
Hi... Haven't posted here in awhile... Looks like i'm back.. for a second time.. :) .. anyway If you really want to improve , just practice tracks over and over and stick with it don't give up. BTW I saw the vid when you first posted it , Not bad your getting there. 👍
welcome back ryen!
pratice is key to improvment! the more you pratice, the more you will improve. but it also does no good when you dont drift for a while, or play other games that you can drift in, really messes ya up sometimes.
ill go download the new vid.
 
Thanks for all the help you guys. As a last request can you guys post hints on 4-Wheel Drifts. My cousin is really good at grip racing, and he really sucks at drift, and the next time we meet, I want to beat him using drift. Right now, I could drift Deep Forest at like 1:28.9, and Im using a fully tuned Mugen S2000, and I could get about the same time with a bone stock 255hp Mugen S200.
 
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