I don't understand how you can have a total brake balance greater than 10

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GTP_slowman
So i probably confused you. At first i thought, you had 10 points to adjust brake balance. So if a car was F5 R5 balanced, 50% of the force would fall on the rear and 50% on the front. BUT this is not the case.

You can have a balance of like F8 R4. I don't understand how this works

If this is the case why doesn't every blast the balance to the maximum, to decrease braking distance?

Thanks for the help:crazy:
 
I think what the brake balance does is decrease on increase the effectiveness of the breaks so that if you want relatively weak brakes the bar can be set low. Turning the brakes up would lead to very sharp, sensitive brakes that under normal circumstances would lock up. As far as I'm aware it doesn't split the braking between either end, it is independent for each end.
If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me.
 
I dont know how this is programmed, it is confusing but I treat it as it is applied. For maximum usable braking I treat it as a percentage so 6-4 I use as 60%-40%.
If you like to steer and brake into the corners simultaneously and you have a light, fast car I go for 4-1. I just use testing to find out which is best.
 
Yes, it's an adjustment tool, and is NOT based on percentages.
10/10 will stop you fastest, but will be very touchy for light braking, such as trail braking, also, ABS level determines stopping distance, with 1 being the quickest stop.
 
How can you when it allows you to set both to 10? If it was using it as a percentage wouldn't it have an automatic set up to change it like torque split with the adjustable center diff in AWD cars? It's adjusting the sensitivity at which end, not the balance based on percentages....
 
MitchZ06
How can you when it allows you to set both to 10? If it was using it as a percentage wouldn't it have an automatic set up to change it like torque split with the adjustable center diff in AWD cars? It's adjusting the sensitivity at which end, not the balance based on percentages....
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Why are you still talking about percentage? Percentage of what?


Look:
1 = low sens
2..... 3.... 4... etc.
10 = high sens


Default = 5/5
- Mid sens with theoretically 50/50 balance, but it seems that the rear brakes are usually weaker (discussed in several threads). Probably equal with the real brake balance. Example: 60/40 (1:0.666)

The rest could be simple math:
6/4 would be 1:0.444
8/9 would be 1:0.75


I'm not sure if this part above is correct, cause it could be based on a system like this:
+10%perbalance1

6/4 would be 70/30
8/9 would be 90:80 = 53/47

Or even none of these methods? Who knows?


That's the balance part, here's the sens part:
6/4 ---- 6+4 = 10 ==sens 10
8/9 ---- 8+9 = 17 ==sens 17
 
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dr_slump
No, you're adjusting both in GT5 with the brake balance numbers.
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I think you are mistaken as well. If you read the info on the brake balance controller it clearly says you are able to adjust the sensitivity of the front and rear brakes.
 
iamjajo
I think you are mistaken as well. If you read the info on the brake balance controller it clearly says you are able to adjust the sensitivity of the front and rear brakes.
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What are you talking about? Read your post again!
You say it's to change the sensitivity. Alright!

But if you change sensitivity, don't you change at the same time the balance? The balance of the sensitivity? Think about it.........
 
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By changing the power of the brakes at each end, you are effectively altering the balance, albeit not obvious to most. In GT5, given that you can change each end up to ten with a default of 5, you can in theory have a braking power of 200% with 10/10. It also means a balance of 5/10 would be: 100%/200%


dr_slump
Look:
1 = low sens
2..... 3.... 4... etc.
10 = high sens


Default = 5/5
- Mid sens with theoretically 50/50 balance, but it seems that the rear brakes are usually weaker (discussed in several threads). Probably equal with the real brake balance. Example: 60/40 (1:0.666)

The rest could be simple math:
6/4 would be 1:0.444
8/9 would be 1:0.75


I'm not sure if this part above is correct, cause it could be based on a system like this:
+10%perbalance1

6/4 would be 70/30
8/9 would be 90:80 = 53/47

Or even none of these methods? Who knows?


That's the balance part, here's the sens part:
6/4 ---- 6+4 = 10 ==sens 10
8/9 ---- 8+9 = 17 ==sens 17
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It's like this, too:tup:
 
dr_slump
What are you talking about? Read you post again!
You say it's to change the sensitivity. Alright!

But if you change sensitivity, don't you change at the same time the balance? The balance of the sensitivity? Think about it.........
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I second this.

By changing the power of the brakes at each end, you are effectively altering the balance, albeit not obvious to most. In GT5, given that you can change each end up to ten with a default of 5, you can in theory have a braking power of 200% with 10/10. It also means a balance of 5/10 would be: 100%/200%
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Right, with 100% being "stock" braking force, and 200% being double, though I think 10 is more like 150%, and 0 being 50%, it's pretty much not testable other than 0 still stops you, so it can't be 0% force.
 
CSLACR
I second this.

Right, with 100% being "stock" braking force, and 200% being double, though I think 10 is more like 150%, and 0 being 50%, it's pretty much not testable other than 0 still stops you, so it can't be 0% force.
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Good point.... 0/0 still stops you? I would say 0/0 would be like 10%/10% since it isn't an extremely high amount of force:dunce:
 
machate-man
Good point.... 0/0 still stops you? I would say 0/0 would be like 10%/10% since it isn't an extremely high amount of force:dunce:
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Try it, it still stops decently.
If I were to take a ballpark guess, 0 would be about 70% with 10 being 130%.
 
0 = 50%, 0 = 10%, etc etc- you're all totally wrong!

In GT5, the brake calipers actually contain tiny men with very tough skin. Each man presses his nose and fingers on the brake rotor to slow its rotation and therefore decelerate the car. The brake strength is the number of fingers he uses on the rotor (for strength 0 he is only using his nose).

Somehow this information got mis-translated when the english version of the help files was produced. Hope this helps with your tuning endeavors.



PS :p
 
nomis3613
0 = 50%, 0 = 10%, etc etc- you're all totally wrong!

In GT5, the brake calipers actually contain tiny men with very tough skin. Each man presses his nose and fingers on the brake rotor to slow its rotation and therefore decelerate the car. The brake strength is the number of fingers he uses on the rotor (for strength 0 he is only using his nose).

Somehow this information got mis-translated when the english version of the help files was produced. Hope this helps with your tuning endeavors.



PS :p
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Hmmm.......

If 10 fingers = 100%

9 fingers = 90%
8.....,7......,6.....
1 finger = 10%

What's the difference?
 

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