I hate Anime

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Anime is like any other filmed entertainment: Some good, a lot of bad & mediocre. Judging the lot of all Japanese cartoons by DBZ and their ilk is silly. Go watch Ghost in the Shell and tell me you still hate anime.
 
I don't sound ignorant, I sound factual. Our cartoons are often insulting, with pacified versions of classic stories, the same old jokes and moral lessons nobody needs. Why would I want to hear a teapot singing over seeing gundams fighting? yechh
 
Thats why cartoons are aimed for childern... Anime is, Well I dont know who its aimed for, but at least Cartoons can teach childern something. but Anime, what could it possible teach? mabey it could help a little kid become a vantrilquist someday?
 
Heheheeh, ventiloquism... funny!

I have nothing against long story arcs. I collect comic books, and my favorite one is Cerebus , which is famous for having a story lasting the better part of 300 issues. Dave Sim can spend 3 consecutive issues having Cerebus drink buckets of whiskey - literally - in a bar. So I'm not worried about long-term storylines in general. But they have to be in service of something, and they have to be filled with tons of detail since the time frame is in slow motion. All the anime I have seen is not like that. It's just incredibly slow and dragging. Besides, a comic book isn't animated, so it doesn't literally take 5 minutes of time to illustrate 5 minutes passing.

In fact I have the first 35 or so issues of the Epic reissue of the Akira manga, and it was quite good. But again, there is detail there to fill the frames, and you can gloss over the 5 pages Otomo sometimes takes to illustrate, say, a big explosion.

I freely admit I'm only basing my opinion on what I've seen on TV. But what I've seen has in no way interested me to pursue it further.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke


I freely admit I'm only basing my opinion on what I've seen on TV. But what I've seen has in no way interested me to pursue it further.
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I respect that reasoning, but labelling the genre in general is not something I would respect.
 
Teach children. How about not teaching them that kumbaya singing is the only way things get resolved, how about not directly pushing some leftwing and rightwing agenda? sesame street should end at 6.
 
anime is available through importing, video rental and purchase stores and downloads. some are subtitled, others are dubbed, some are untouched. try watching cartoon network at 12:30 am, there's a show called blue gender, it's not ground breaking, but it has an easy plot, and is somewhat intelligent for its focus on the attempt of a man to adapt to his surroundings than on the robot versus bug fights.

terminally il people are suspended for 20+ years, only to wake up to a world infested with alien bugs. only one of the ppl in the group suspended seems to have survived (the group the main character was with at least). now the main character must cope with harsh realities in his changed world. the mission of the women with him is to try to get him to second earth for some reason or another. acting's pretty good.
 
I see it like this, My kids like DBZ which is a really stupid cartoon IMHO. It has less than no plot, Stupid "martial arts". The only cool thing is Master Roshi being a bit of a lech.
I prefer TMNT for my "martial arts cartoon fix".
Plus the humor and plot are MUCH better.
 
Fine, as I want to really defend anime from all those statements, I have to diss anime out in order to defend it.
so, you are saying that dragon ball is the standard for judging anime? maybe pokemon would be so, too. and the rage in USa, gundam. yes. well, I will tell you MOST anime, almost 80% of it is CRAP. pure, absolute, lame CRAP. ****. stupidity moving. no plot at all. stupid jokes. or an excessive intending of being interesting that results in a riduculous thing. too cute drawings. just big-ass robots and nubile school girls with magic powers. BIG eyes. blue hair. **** music. oh-so-dramatic stuff. in the end, this becomes too overflooded to ANY production comming from japan. in most of the hundreds of anime productions released every year, one of these formulas will be followed. some work mightilly well, but most of them result in some crap that just the "otakus" (read: stupid people who tink everything from japan is cool, principally animation) love and will have an orgasm about. the rest of the people will go and wtf to it. sadly, this kind of things is what is aired in TV. any TV. the good anime, from ANY time, will be undergroundish, and not known about, just in this kind of circles. I can really tell that Neon_dukes post is EFFINGLY and sadly true. most anime is trash and should be buried. then again, I think NO ONE can said that all anime is trash. there are REALLY good productions, and, no matter what the hell you think about anime, there is one out there that you may like.

Cano

yes, anime sucks. but then again, anime rules. and I prefer to like the part of it that rules. and I do. would you be so hard pressed to try something from that part that rules? or will you just post that anime sucks and that is all?
 
Im sorta suprised (but not really) that anyone would take the time to say how much they hate a "trivial subject."

I say trivial due to the fact that anime is just a cartoon. Its just lots of drawings; art to some, childrens fun to others.

Im not really sure how to say it, but I like anime. I dont exactly know why, but I know I do.

If I was to try and describe why I liked it...

First off is the content used in anime compared to american cartoons. Anime often times addresses adult subjects of almost any sort. American cartoons are even more often specifically targeted at children.

The actual art styles in anime range greatly. However, the anime I have loved throughout life, has all been unique in style and concept.

Then again, I seen some real crap.

Basically, there is difference between the culture of the west and the culture of the east.

In the east cartoons can be block buster movies that are for adults.

Here, they are only rarely popular childrens flicks and saturday morning entertainment.

I dont really want to try and keep going, Im just trying to give everyone an idea of where Im coming from in my love for anime.

Hey, atleast I didnt say anything bad about who ever started this thread... "I hate anime."

I mean, what the hell is that about. lol :D

Then again, its not like anyone will ever make you watch anime, so I think you're gonna be alright. Good luck just in case though... those animaniacs are crazy man.
 
Originally posted by Wesley0913
But Anime is only on TV...right? so you kinda HAVE to base it on what you see on the Tele.
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Did you completely ignore my post?

Anime is all over. From cinema to video. Even manga (comic book).
 
I know, from having tasted a few common varieties, that I don't like fish. Does that mean I need to taste sturgeon and mahimahi and swordfish and sushi and salmon steaks and flounder and rockfish before I can decide I don't like fish? Why on earth would I pursue all those different things if I don't like what I've already tasted?
 
Because there's a big gap between carp and swordfish. It's like eating McDonald's and declaring you don't like steak. They're similar, but quality varies widely.
 
Originally posted by risingson77
Because there's a big gap between carp and swordfish. It's like eating McDonald's and declaring you don't like steak. They're similar, but quality varies widely.
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But I like McDonalds, at least well enough to realize that I might like something a little better prepared even more. Like it or not, anime is represented by what is played on TV. If there was even a glimmer of something interesting - something as good as a McDonalds hamburger, even, I'd be willing to put out some effort to investigate it. But everything I've seen fits completely into my first description.
 
So if you see one bad comedy, do you lose interest in all comedies? You're still sampling anime from a very limited source. There is a large amount of anime that is absolutely NOTHING like DBZ ot its ilk.

So, you can keep on saying you hate anime - it won't change the fact that your opinion is based on the flimsiest of pretexts.
 
Originally posted by Talentless
i dunno.

September 13, 1987

i hope not.
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I usually got to sleep at around 12:00 after the new Tom Green show. but If I wanted to waste my sleeping time, I guess I could watch the cartoon network...


Originally posted by GoKents
Im sorta suprised (but not really) that anyone would take the time to say how much they hate a "trivial subject."

I say trivial due to the fact that anime is just a cartoon. Its just lots of drawings; art to some, childrens fun to others.

Im not really sure how to say it, but I like anime. I dont exactly know why, but I know I do.

If I was to try and describe why I liked it...

First off is the content used in anime compared to american cartoons. Anime often times addresses adult subjects of almost any sort. American cartoons are even more often specifically targeted at children.

The actual art styles in anime range greatly. However, the anime I have loved throughout life, has all been unique in style and concept.

Then again, I seen some real crap.

Basically, there is difference between the culture of the west and the culture of the east.

In the east cartoons can be block buster movies that are for adults.

Here, they are only rarely popular childrens flicks and saturday morning entertainment.

I dont really want to try and keep going, Im just trying to give everyone an idea of where Im coming from in my love for anime.

Hey, atleast I didnt say anything bad about who ever started this thread... "I hate anime."

I mean, what the hell is that about. lol :D

Then again, its not like anyone will ever make you watch anime, so I think you're gonna be alright. Good luck just in case though... those animaniacs are crazy man.
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I am sure this is the Longest post so far.



originally posted by Viper Zero
Isn't that past his bed time?
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ohh... nice insult. But auctually yes it IS past my "bed time". I like to get at least 6 1/2 to 7 hours of sleep each night.
It's bad not to sleep.
 
Ok someone on here suggested that Ghost in the Shell is an example or really good anime. I've seen it. It's better than the usual stuff that Duke made fun of, but I still really don't like it.

I hate the usual anime, but even the cream of the crop is crap. Here's why - There's no consistency.

Cartoons like Ghost in the Shell (and perhaps initial d… I’ve never seen it) try very hard to be real. They make an honest effort to have interesting plots coupled with the freedom of being able to draw whatever special effects you want. The problem, though, is that with a realistic approach comes the need to have pre-defined physics.

In one scene the hero can only jump 10 feet off the ground. In the next he’s able to leap a vertical mile no problem.

Ships will fly up to other ships and ping at them with lasers to no effect… then all of the sudden (when it’s suitable for the plot) that same laser that couldn’t do anything now completely obliterates the largest ship on the screen for no apparent reason.

I need some kind of consistency to feel like it’s real.

DragonBall Z is completely out of the question. That’s a joke and Neon did a good job of adding the punchline. But Ghost in the Shell and others like it are also irritating when the artist decides that this time a direct punch to the face will make the guy’s head fly off while the last one didn’t make him blink.


Supporters of Anime might come back saying the non-cartoon movies are also inconsistent.

Yes they are and I hate that too. I don’t like it when James Bond breaks the laws of physics or when Charlie’s Angles can move faster than a speeding bullet. I’m just more likely to be disappointed with cartoons.

Now, that being said… bending the laws of physics can be very funny (see roadrunner cartoons). Inconsistency for humor is a whole ‘nother ballgame.
 
Well, I think I understand what you mean. However, Ghost is a rather poor example. The "physics" model is very consistent. Pretty much all of the characters are cybernetically enhanced and have physical abilities well beyond that of a "normal" human.

Of course, I have always been more bothered by cartoons that try too hard to be realistic... :)
 

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