I like a good challenge but...

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As mentioned the key to these events (and racing in general) is to be smooth and not throw away momentum.

If you can gold the TGTT Lotus event this one should be easy.

I beat this on the second try because I got too happy with the throttle first time and spun. Passed the lead car (Evora?) on the last hairpin and won by 1.5 seconds. I don't know what tune I used. Whatever tune was on the car the last time I drove it, with the power turned down and ballast added to make weight.
 
These races are ridiculous for anyone who doesnt want to spend the time tuning a car...I am an average racer at best, so the new challenge stinks.
 
I had fun beating them all. This is what GT5 needs, it's like what Gran Turismo used to be, a Real Challenge!!

I wish the entire A-Spec campaign was about as difficult as this, at least the higher level races. If it was, GT5 would have been a much better and also more respected game overall.
 
fiat 500

66hp 1000kg
sports air filter
5 speed close ratio tranny
twin plate clutch
semi-racing flywheel
fck suspension
ride height -9 / -10
spring rate 5.6 / 4.0
damper 4 / 4
4 / 4
anti rollbar 3 / 3

camber 0.0 / 2.0

toe 0.00 / 0.00

brake 5 / 5

won by 3.xxx sec, took the lead in the turns after the last uphill section.
 
Just started on these today. Im .3 seconds behind 1st on the Fiat challenge. i know whats wrong though. Should have it golded in a few more attempts
 
JacklegJack
Not a fan of these seasonals. Everyone complains about grinding but how is doing the same race 20 times as you try for the gold without making money the subsequent 19 times any better? (Aside from the Fiat 500 race, which requires corner cutting anyway). Old seasonals were perfect. If you want a challenge then limit yourself accordingly, for the rest of us who weren't born with a steering wheel in our hands we'll take the slight advantage in PP/HP/whatever. PD's inconsistency with these seasonals is astounding. The game should be fun, not a chore. Colour me disappointed.
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Because those 19 times until you nail it are bettering yourself. You're learning the car, the track, how to master your lines, and what setup you need to run, not mindlessly lapping an oval for 5 minutes 10 times in a row. With this, when you finally win, its an accomplishment, not a tedious task complete.
 
Use a one speed transmission.

2:07.460 - hit a car :(
2:03.060
2:02.433
2:03.034
2:02.627
I aimed for sector times of <24.5/37.0/33.5/28.5
This gets you over seven seconds ahead of 2nd.
I used a one speed transmission (1st-5th gear: min; final:2.000).
I was going to tune, but didn't get the chance to make the tune decent since I didn't get any prize for the second time playing. I used a bouncy front (3.5/2/1/2) 1.2 camber .2 toe, and tight rear suspension (14.5/6/5/7) with a -1.00 toe. My ride height was the minimum front and back. The tune sucked, but the tranny was fast!
 
I actually didn't find the wings to be too helpfull in the Fiat and Subaru challenges. The Elise on the other hand seemd to like the full aero package. To make the Lotus easier to drive you might want to add some camber to make the tires work better in corners. Raced the Lotus online after i had finished these and added a customised LSD and that seemed to make it more stable too.
 
ThaSyn
My Fiat is gaining HP:nervous:
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Aye, mine too mate. We bought them new and are breaking them in pretty fast by doing this seasonal, so hp is going to go up for a while but it'll flatten out soon. Just hate that I have to keep dropping the hp back in order to enter the race.
 
Sohvakettu
I actually didn't find the wings to be too helpfull in the Fiat and Subaru challenges. The Elise on the other hand seemd to like the full aero package. To make the Lotus easier to drive you might want to add some camber to make the tires work better in corners. Raced the Lotus online after i had finished these and added a customised LSD and that seemed to make it more stable too.
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Rear wings on a 4WD or FF are silly. They will only increase understeer.
 
BarronGeddon
Rear wings on a 4WD or FF are silly. They will only increase understeer.
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Touring car designs say otherwise.
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Moot
Touring car designs say otherwise.
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Meanwhile.. back in the world of GT5..

Understeer on a FF or 4WD is bad 👎
A rear wing on a FF or 4WD adds understeer 👎

It's not cryptic advice. It's just a truth of the game.

Sohvakettu
I actually didn't find the wings to be too helpfull in the Fiat (FF) and Subaru (4WD) challenges.
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See.

Now Moot, try posting something helpful.
 
BarronGeddon
Meanwhile.. back in the world of GT5..

Understeer on a FF or 4WD is bad 👎
A rear wing on a FF or 4WD adds understeer 👎

It's not cryptic advice. It's just a truth of the game.



See.

Now Moot, try posting something helpful.
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Oh the boss is in da house!!
 
I'm sorry. But it is true!

One of the main complaints with the new scooby challenge is the understeer around laguna. Stick a rear wing on it though and it's only going to be harder to turn in :scared:

And it's not like the Fiat 500 is prone to having the back step out is it :lol:
 
You can if you wish fit a rear wing to improve performance, downforce helps if you adjust the car to suit it. And in this event it's a free mod that does not cost you PP.
The rear wing can increase stability and of course will give you more grip, you can I suspect increase the stiffness of the rear end a lot higher while the rear wing keeps it manageable. This should make the car perform faster. Remember it also helps you under braking too.
 
BarronGeddon
I'm sorry. But it is true!

One of the main complaints with the new scooby challenge is the understeer around laguna. Stick a rear wing on it though and it's only going to be harder to turn in :scared::
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But Impreza STis come with a ruddy great wing! But then again its a rally car not a track car!
 
Moot
You can if you wish fit a rear wing to improve performance, downforce helps if you adjust the car to suit it. And in this event it's a free mod that does not cost you PP.
The rear wing can increase stability and of course will give you more grip, you can I suspect increase the stiffness of the rear end a lot higher while the rear wing keeps it manageable. This should make the car perform faster. Remember it also helps you under braking too.
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In terms of the scooby and the fiat, that's just creating unnecessary tuning work. Under acceleration on corner exit a rear-only wing is just going to take turning force/grip away from the front wheels, no matter what you do with the springs. Particularly in a 95 BHP Fiat. And neither of these cars have real stabilty problems.

Touring cars aren't really comparable as they have substantial front downforce mods compared to road cars which can be balanced out with a rear wing. It's a matter of opinion I guess, but I'd say for people who were finding these two races a little tricky, a rear wing is gunna hurt you in the corners (not talking about the elise race here :P)

66'Roadster
But Impreza STis come with a ruddy great wing! But then again its a rally car not a track car!
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The amount of downforce the wing on the standard STi produces is negligible compared to what fitting one from GT Auto will do.

On the real life road car (assuming road use) it's mainly for looks and safety/stabilty. If you doubt it's mainly cosmetic function, bear in mind that a much more lively and powerful RWD BMW M3 has no rear wing for example. If the car is going to be rallying however, it's going to spend a lot of time sideways on loose un-grippy surfaces, so then in theory any downforce is much more important.

Anyway, try it for yourself. Take the scooby around laguna with a rear wing installed and see if you can notice the extra understeer. You could then try to tune it out with the suspension, but I don't think you'll have a faster car to show for it.
 
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I was trying to say that the cars didn't benefit from the wings because of conditions. The Fiat is too slow to generate meaningful amount of downforce so the wing would only add drag. The Subaru is a bit same in this regard. The car is inherently so stable that the additional wings will just drag. I really didn't find the understeer a big problem but then again it seems that my driving style suits the 4wd. Just concentrate on putting the power down as early as possible. :)
 
Moot
Rally cars want even less under-steer.
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And yet rally cars have big wings installed! As do F1 cars!
I get the idea with a FF car- you want grip on the front wheels to turn yet youre putting a wing on the arse end which pushes the wrong end down!
 
I am new to the forums having found this section in a google searxh

I have been struggling with the fiat race. It would appear my driving style isnt smooth enough. I am putting in 2:06 lap times at the moment. Like some others, i'm using my tuned up 500 restricted to 65hp. Think i need more practice!

But the thread title sums it up for me - i like a challenge, but...

-T
 
I used a wing on the STi challenge for more stability powering out of turns, my times were consistently better with the wing on.
 
I'd hazard a guess you just got more used to the course. And so your lap times dropped because of that.

I mean seriously, how many times did the scooby kick it's tail out? :P It's one of the most stable cars around. Getting the power down in a 4WD does not require massive rear downforce. Don't even get me started on a FF.

As for drag, it's implementation in this game is so negligible it can basically be ignored.

Here is a quote from an admin on the specialist STi tuning/track day site IWSTI.com (i.e. real world STi tuners):

A lot of people ask me why I run a considerably bigger front splitter than rear wing. Well, going back to our most basic load transfer example, the bigger splitter makes 400-500 pounds of downforce (front grip) versus the 300-350 that the rear wing makes (rear grip). The net result is more front grip than rear, which in a perfectly neutral car would cause oversteer, but in a Subaru just makes it more neutral.

Next time you see a Subaru at the track with a 10-foot wide wing raised to roof level and a little v-limited lip spoiler, you'll probably laugh now that you understand what he's actually done to his car.
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I'm not going to press my point anymore. If you don't feel the understeer, then fair enough, but it is there.
 
But forgetting the under-steer, which can be adjusted on suspension set-up, even rear only downforce will give you a better lap time due to increased overall grip. And as you have said drag is negligible in GT5.
 
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