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OK, My friend has a Mitsubishi 3000GT at 1002 HP, and I can only beat him with a Top-End car. So, I need a NON-Japanese, NON-Top End Car that I can supe up to beat him. And I need to have really good excelleration. His 3000GT does the 400 in 10 seconds. Can someone tell me if the Jaguar XJ220 Race Car, not Road Car, can do it? Because I'm trying to win it, and I don't wanna waste my time, although I do want the car anyway.
 
Okay, first some info is needed... What kind of race? Drag, Road, Rally... What track? What's wrong with Japanese cars for this considering the Mitsu is a Japanese car?

I would consider the Gillet and the Jaguar top end cars too BTW.
 
If I am reading his post correctly, I think he refers to "top end" as speed and not price.
And further reading his post I would assume that he is doing a drag because he is looking at acceleration times.

Is this a correct assumption Jaguar?
 
If 'top end' is referring to 'speed' in his post, then it makes no sense. I think he's looking for a non LM or Racing car like the F1 cars since his buddy isn't using one.
 
Well actually, it's some drag and some full track racing. I need something that can get up real fast so that after I hit a turn I can get going fast again. And I know the Jaguar XJ220 is a Top End car, but he always talks trash to me and about my Jags, and says the XJ220 is slow and stuff like that. And I hate Japanese cars because they are pices of garbage that need to be suped up to go fast. I like real cars, that are already made to go fast. So since the only way to survive in this game is to supe your car up, I have no choice. But I will not drive a Honda, Toyota or any other Japanese garbage.
 
Well, considering your homey is using a hyper-powerful 4WD car, I think the best way to beat him is with skill, not by using another hyperpowerful 4WD car... which means you're going to end up beating him in the turns, and not with straight end acceleration, especially since there is no better car to use for that purpose than what he's using unless you want to go with a Skyline, which is Japanese.

So, if you refuse to use a Japanes car, and if you've got the skill, I think a well tuned Viper or Corvette Z06 could do it. The Viper will handle better inherently I think. Of course, if you can't beat him in that Jag then you need to do some serious practice laps. It's a wicked fast car in the right hands.
 
Look man hands down. Take the Lotus Esprit V8 SE or the Esprit Sport 350. Ive hit a top speed of just under 300 mph. And if you have it tuned right you can take turns like no other car on the game. Well other then the F1's.
 
I am good at the game and I am better than him, I haven't tried racing the Jaguar against him yet. If you say it can beat him, I'll try it. Also, is there way to tune a car to handle better? The only thing I know how to do is the gear ratios, what about all the suspesnion and stuff?
 
I agree. The Lotus has some nice stats.

I'm sure you could find a nice tuning FAQ around here somewhere. I usually just lower the car and stiffen the springs a bit. Most everything else I try to keep neutral.
 
Originally posted by Jaguar_XJ220_2002
Also, is there way to tune a car to handle better? what about all the suspesnion and stuff?
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There is no single setup that will make a car handle better. What you need to do depends on the car's characteristics and the track's characteristics (to a lesser degree).

However, on the GT3 Settings and Tunings board, there are a number of general-info tuning threads, as well as recommnedations for various cars/tracks. This BBS is great because old posts hang around forever, which means you can go search that board. You will lilely find what you're looking for.
 
Originally posted by Jaguar_XJ220_2002
I am good at the game and I am better than him, I haven't tried racing the Jaguar against him yet. If you say it can beat him, I'll try it. Also, is there way to tune a car to handle better? The only thing I know how to do is the gear ratios, what about all the suspesnion and stuff?
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Why don't you just race him with the same :mitsu: 3000GT And then it'll be competitive :D

Why don't you like Japanese cars (mentioned in one of your other posts) :up:
 
Hmmm I'm getting the idea that you don't like Japanese cars because you have to soupe them up to make them fast. Well, how about you give me the 150,000 dollars you're going to pay for your overpriced British/American/whatever piece of junk and I'll make myself a Skyline that'll show you its taillights all day long.

To some of us souping up is half the fun. I don't have much respect for rich boys who buy a freakin' Porshe 911 GT2 and think they're **** of the walk. The real men are people who can take a 5,000 dollar Civic and turn it into a 200+ hp beast.
 
Originally posted by Jaguar_XJ220_2002

I will not drive a Honda, Toyota or any other Japanese garbage.
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Then you will likely lose. You want to win you go Nissan Skyline.
It mods up to over 1000 HP also. Which is about 300 HP over what either platform is comfortable with.
The designers of the game are Japanese. The Japanese cars have a slight bias in this game.
The 3000 GT is the only car in the class (4WD) that is substantially heavier than a Skyline. You may be able to beat him with the Jag, with great skill. But, beware the Jag can be an ill-tempered, tail happy beast. Another option is the Speed 12.
You will have a HP and a huge weight advantage.
 
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Hmmm I'm getting the idea that you don't like Japanese cars because you have to soupe them up to make them fast. Well, how about you give me the 150,000 dollars you're going to pay for your overpriced British/American/whatever piece of junk and I'll make myself a Skyline that'll show you its taillights all day long.

To some of us souping up is half the fun. I don't have much respect for rich boys who buy a freakin' Porshe 911 GT2 and think they're **** of the walk. The real men are people who can take a 5,000 dollar Civic and turn it into a 200+ hp beast.
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Welcome to the forum.
I have to disagree, with qualification.
For 150,000 and I pick the track I can eat your Skyline for breakfast. 😈
Don't get me wrong. I personally love Skylines. But in the game only two Hondas are worth your time the S2000 and the NSX.
The Skyline has no real advantage at some of the tighter courses like Cote d'Azur or Complex String.
At Cote d'Azur The R-33 or R-34 would be handed its head by a well tuned and driven Opel speedster or Lotus Elise, keeping the 150, 000 in mind. The String at least has some long straightaways to let the Big Skyline catch up.
Now on courses like Apricot Hill and Laguna Seca, The Skyline is a bit better choice.
See the Spot Race 150,000cr challenges. Would love to see some of your times.
 
Jaguar_XJ220_2002, there are quite a number of non-japanese, non-'race' modded cars that should be able to deal with the 3000GT. Off the top of my head I would say that the Lotus Esprit, Pagani Zonda C12S, Jaguar XKR, Jaguar XJ220 Road car, Aston Martin Vanquish, Aston Martin DB7 Coupe, TVR Tuscan, TVR Griffith 500 and TVR Speed 12 would all be winners. Even on a relatively fast track like Grand Valley where the 4WD handling characteristics of the 3000GT won't be overly emphasised the Mitsubishi should still come off second best. Using Grand Valley as a benchmark, I lap faster in all the cars I've mentioned than I do in the 3000GT (or at least as fast).

Two proviso's to this however are that:

a) I can't really drive 4WD's all that well so I might be under emphasising it's performance a tad.

b) In order to get the best out of the cars I've mentioned they do require some set-up work.

Experiment a little and have a go at tweaking your suspensions and transmissions. You're missing out on a lot of the fun in the game (and possibly limiting your car choice) by settling for stock settings rather than honing your cars to suit your driviing style.

Also, dialing a car in to handle how you like it can do wonders for your lap times. To give you an idea of what a difference it can make, using all of the cars I've mentioned I've won the PRO Dream Cars championship quite easily (yes, I know it's sad that I've done the series that many times!).
 
Welcome to the forum.
I have to disagree, with qualification.
For 150,000 and I pick the track I can eat your Skyline for breakfast.
Don't get me wrong. I personally love Skylines. But in the game only two Hondas are worth your time the S2000 and the NSX.
The Skyline has no real advantage at some of the tighter courses like Cote d'Azur or Complex String.
At Cote d'Azur The R-33 or R-34 would be handed its head by a well tuned and driven Opel speedster or Lotus Elise, keeping the 150, 000 in mind. The String at least has some long straightaways to let the Big Skyline catch up.
Now on courses like Apricot Hill and Laguna Seca, The Skyline is a bit better choice.
See the Spot Race 150,000cr challenges. Would love to see some of your times.
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My bad I don't think I mad myself quite clear. Please don't think for a second that I LIKE Skylines. I think they're only good for four wheel drifting and perhaps ramming stupid AI opponents.

What I was saying was that if he gave me the money he spent on his British dream car or whatever (which I assumed was going to cost about 150,000 dollars or more) I could easily make a MUCH more beast Japanese car. The Skyline was simply the first thing that came into my head. Yeah I have no love for the Skyline's handling, but it's still a Japanese beast in terms of outright speed and power.
 
Originally posted by Cvcpower
By the way, I think I will try this 150,000 credit challenge. I can searh for that right?
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Yes, look in the racing forum and click on "Spot Races and Challenges".

And your post above, is right on the money. If I have a set amount to spend. From 50.000-150,000cr car cost included, I will almost always start looking at Japanese manufacturers.
My faves are the RX-7, The EVO 7, and, believe it or not the Turbo MR-2. The EVO because at 25,180cr I can add a bunch of stuff and stay in the "budget".
I will also use the SVT Mustang or Camaro SS if Cheep is a necessity.
 
If you havent already; get the 787b from the "like the wind{pro leauge}" or snipe his a$$ with a cherry formula 1 car.
I snuck up on the game and used the save/reload to snag one from the "dream car championship{pro leauge}" this one is the low F1, but it kicks mucho a$$
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No, real men drive real cars! NOT 20,000 pieces of s*it that need S*it to go fast! **** a SkyLine I will dust that s*it! I haven't used 1 Japanese car and I'm doing fine in the game. Me and my friend race the same cars against each other all the time to see who is the better driver, and I beat him 95% of the time. Anyway I like Jaguars so much because I like luxury cars, and at the same time they are fast as hell, hence there slogan "50 years of speed and style". So **** Japanese cars they are cheap ass pices of s*it! Drive a real f*uckin car! I dust my friends 3000GT all the time with the un-suped Viper or Corvette.
 
Originally posted by Jaguar_XJ220_2002
No, real men drive real cars! NOT 20,000 pieces of s*it that need S*it to go fast! **** a SkyLine I will dust that s*it! I haven't used 1 Japanese car and I'm doing fine in the game. Me and my friend race the same cars against each other all the time to see who is the better driver, and I beat him 95% of the time. Anyway I like Jaguars so much because I like luxury cars, and at the same time they are fast as hell, hence there slogan "50 years of speed and style". So **** Japanese cars they are cheap ass pices of s*it! Drive a real f*uckin car! I dust my friends 3000GT all the time with the un-suped Viper or Corvette.
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First off. It's good to see you being so ethnocentric. Or is it xenophobic? :thatsodd:
Secondly, you kiss your mother with that mouth, please clean it up. :D
Thirdly, If you intend to finish the game you will HAVE to drive some Japanese cars. SIUDO. (Suck it up, Drive on).
If you think the Skyline sux. That's ok. Can't wait till you have to do The race of the Red Emblem and have to spend 30 laps behind the wheel of one.
I also would love to be a fly on the wall when you do the Vitz/Yaris series. :lol:
Jaguars are wonderful cars, Especially now that the company is owned by Ford. I am a little dissappointed that the X-series looks like a Taurus.
I will also maintain: that your 79,000cr Viper can be beaten like a drum by an RX-7 with the same amount of cash invested.
Hate to burst your bubble but thems the facts. In a Japanese game, like GT3 the Japanese cars are at the advantage.
On the streets of San D. You can drive what you please. In GT. You'll have to drive some "Japanese junk" (O the Shame of it all). :D
 
cough cough ... Japanese car still rule :D and so does the Skyline in my opinion...

Japanese cars made :gt: what it is today, the Cobra didn't :lol:
 
Originally posted by Jaguar_XJ220_2002
No, real men drive real cars! NOT 20,000 pieces of s*it that need S*it to go fast! **** a SkyLine I will dust that s*it! I haven't used 1 Japanese car and I'm doing fine in the game. Me and my friend race the same cars against each other all the time to see who is the better driver, and I beat him 95% of the time. Anyway I like Jaguars so much because I like luxury cars, and at the same time they are fast as hell, hence there slogan "50 years of speed and style". So **** Japanese cars they are cheap ass pices of s*it! Drive a real f*uckin car! I dust my friends 3000GT all the time with the un-suped Viper or Corvette.
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You know I took a shower, got dressed and did some math. If it wasn't for all the bad language I probably would have let this go and just "sucked it up and driven on".
We have a saying at church in reference to loud preachers "if you have a weak point, SHOUT". 'Nuff said.

Before I tell you my conclusions: What do you base your "real men" statement on?
I noted that You are here in the States and your first choice car is the XJ220. That is the smartest thing you've copped to. But we'll get back to that in a minute.
The Viper and Vette, great cars. I think they are fabulous. But, if you do the math. Even a "big engine" car like a Skyline or a 300ZX, which is actually available here in the states, is WAY more volumentrically efficient.
A Viper makes 449 HP out of an 8.0 liter engine. That's 56 HP/liter.

A Skyline with a 276HP output from 2.6L engine makes 106HP/liter.

An RX-7 with its dinky 1.3L engine makes 212HP/liter.

I said earlier you were smart to choose the Jag. It makes 516HP out of 3.5L. (the road car) Which is 147HP/liter to the Mitsu's 96 HP/liter.
Japanese cars, Hondas and Nissans in particular come from the factory with a short block that can withstand 2-3 times stock power output. You add a turbo/supercharger and upgrade fuel management and you are safely running 300-400HP in cars with 2.0 liter and below motors. If you get into the "big blocks" (2.5Liter and up) 600HP is not uncommon. So you've put 10 grand into a $15,000-20,000 car (240sx, Civic, Prelude, Sentra, Supra, 300ZX)
Before you mod a Viper or Vette to with stand double or triple stock power, you will need to spend SERIOUS cash on the bottom end of the motor to make it strong enough for the job.
Real men do the best they can on what they can afford. Spoiled Rich boys have daddies that buy them $80,000 Vipers and $50,000 Vettes so they can try to keep up.

here endeth the rant.
 
Originally posted by pbcphish
jaguar is owned by ford that sucks thats :cold:
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And Chrysler has a huge interest in Maserati and Mitsubishi.
And VW owns Bentley.
Ford also has a large interest in Mazda. In fact look real close at current small trucks from Mazda, and Ford. If you are more than 50 feet away you won't be able to tell which is which.
:D And a warm welcome to the Planet. :D
 
Jag, To sweeten the pot a bit, or just to make things interesting. I'll challenge you to a race. Your stock Viper against my 79,000cr RX-7, or R33 or R34 Skyline. You can even pick the track as long as you don't try to bore me to death with Super Speedway or the Test Course. Standard OLR rules apply. In other words, Clean laps, no wallriding or grass cutting.

:D What do you say? :D




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