I suck at this game :(

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I just want to vent some frustration I have with this game.
First of all, I was never really a good player in GT3 but I was getting around anyway, completing at least the beginners league and many events in intermidiate, I played for fun, not to spend countless days . The trick to win was always the same - bump the horsepower and you can pass that car #1.
Now comes the GT4 with it's new system where computer horsepower is always tied up with your horsepower, so in my opinion, tunning becomes uselles because I still can't win, I put turbo, and now all oponents seem to have turbo too. How frustrating.
All I want is just to advance a little through the game without being stuck on first tournaments of beginners league.
I was looking for some sort of walkthrough for this game, like they had many for GT3, buy this car, do this race, win this special car and get going.

Any tips for me before I completely give up on this game?
 
Practice makes perfect... Like you can say, you can overtune your cars with engine mods and turbos etc... If your Aspec points for the race is 1 or in the single digits, it should be rather easy to beat...

if anything, you might want to upgrade your tires, suspension, and your engine... It should get you through all the races... unless you can't even keep your car on the track...
 
Run the license tests until you get at least silver on them. They may be frustrating, they may be boring, but they teach you how the game expects you to drive.

The only real secret is to pay attention to your driving and try for consistency. Once you can make consistent, smooth laps, you can begin chipping away at getting better. But there's no magic spell - it takes practice and paying attention to braking points, turn-in, when to accelerate, etc.
 
What Cisobe and Duke say is true. Practice makes perfect, and silvering or better yet, golding the license tests help too. Then use the cars you get from the licenses in the races you can get them into, and win them. Then use the prize money to get a good car.
If you can also complete the first 10 missions and the "Slipstream" missions (easier said than done), you will get the Delorean and the Zonda race car, which can help you.

Duck7892
 
I dunno what races you do, but my game never puts you against cars similar to the one you drive. Not in GT mode anyway... except if you go for a fun race and not a racinghall.
 
Yeah, the computer definitely doesn't upgrade its cars in respect to how upgraded yours is, especially not in the beginner hall. You're just gonna have to practice a bit, because there's no way you should be losing races in beginner hall with a fully upgraded car. Unless it's a Citroen 2CV or something...
 
After almost two months of gameplay, let me type up as much as I can about what it takes to win in GT4.

There's one thing I have always said about GT4- it's not easy. Am I saying I'm the most horrible video game racer alive? No, all of us are as good or as bad as we say we are. Do you know the best thing about GT4? You can get all bronze, and still get five cars to start with. Take it from me. I didn't do too well in my first race using a Volkswagen Golf I earned from my License Tests, but over time, I got money, tuned it up, and went to work. Now keep in mind that there is an Autosave system. It's recommended you switch Always to Restricted, and it will only save when you change cars. Let's face something else, too. You're not going to win every race. The races are more challenging and the computer actually has a better chance of beating you. At the same time, however, you can still win races while trailing. It used to be that if you kept screwing up, that's the end of your race. The more you give yourself a chance, the more you will win. The license tests will give you insight as to how to attack certain corners in certain situations. You are given everything from a Mazda Demio to a Bentley Speed 8. The more you practice, the more you'll be able to apply it to racing competition.

If you're not a good racer, let your B-Spec racer go to work. No matter what it takes, it can help you win races by having an AI driver do all the driving for you. Technically, though, you're still in the race. Pick the right commands to your B-Spec driver at the right moment, and you'll plow through the field. For races that allow B-Spec, you'll need plenty of skill, good tuning, and that little less than 5% phenomena we call... luck.

It won't be easy, so just give yourself a chance. It's the only bit of advice you can take from me if nothing else helps.
 
Duke
Run the license tests until you get at least silver on them. They may be frustrating, they may be boring, but they teach you how the game expects you to drive.

The only real secret is to pay attention to your driving and try for consistency. Once you can make consistent, smooth laps, you can begin chipping away at getting better. But there's no magic spell - it takes practice and paying attention to braking points, turn-in, when to accelerate, etc.
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I was going to say that, but yeah. Everyone says "Aw man I really hate these license tests, just let me race!" Well for people that aren't familiar with GT4 or anyother game these will help you figure out how to race properly and more efficiently. Reach for a silver though. ;)
 
Youri: Don't take those "gold & silver in license tests" advices. If you are as bad as me at GT4, let's just say GT5/PS3 bundle pack will be out by the time we are ready to play GT4 with those advices. :D I've gotten only one silver in the tests, rest are all bronze, but I get around fine! :)
 
Well really when you get bronze you're just getting by and not fully understanding what you have to do to get that time for a sliver. ;)
 
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"Aw man I really hate these license tests, just let me race!"
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Hey, at least failing in this game is fun. OHHHHHYEEAAAAHHH!!! :dopey: In GT3 the fail music would provoke me to do some baaaad things. GT2, I was afraid to fail, since it had a big red FAIL. GT everything just stopped, and only then I went "Awwww Man!"
 
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Well really when you get bronze you're just getting by and not fully understanding what you have to do to get that time for a sliver. ;)
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That's true, good point.

Of course, it's easy for you to say that because you don't know how long it took me to get those bronzes(embarassingly long time). ;)
 
I'm not good. I have about 2 silvers and the rest bronze. But I still know how to take the apex of the corner.
 
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I'm not good. I have about 2 silvers and the rest bronze. But I still know how to take the apex of the corner.
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Oh, yeah. I'm not some crazy driver/player. When it comes to GT, I can beat almost every one of my friends. Just not good enough to come close to the "racers" here at GTPlanet.
 
I'm an ok Division 3 Racer. Not a big fan of Nurburgring though. (Current week's track)
 
I don't even know about the divisions. :guilty: Nurburgring is tough, but I still love it. It feels more like countryside drive than a track to me. Nice change of pace. 👍
 
I thought I would suck at this game. Having spent 2years with GT3, I was scared when I took my very first drive in GT4, and was all over the place. I even spun the car on some gentle bumps. But then I no longer recommend a stock Nissan Skyline R34 around the 'Ring as a good method for starting the game :scared:

In one week, I silvered, with relative ease, the first 2 licenses. I even accidentally got a gold somewhere (something that happend only once in GT3 - the RX-7 going in circles). And I thought I couldn't drive in GT4. I still cannot get an FF car to go faster - but thats because I need more practise. and thats all it comes down to. I still remember switching from GT2 to GT3... whoa..... thats more of a leap in my opinion.

What you must remember is that a lot of people here have obscene amounts of spare time ( :grumpy: ), and so get soo much practise that they are ridiculously quick. I couldnt hold a candle to some guys here. But then, I'm trying to get a degree as well...

Find a car you like. Drive it on a track you like. And just keep driving around - have fun. You'll learn without even realising.
 
youri
I just want to vent some frustration I have with this game.

Any tips for me before I completely give up on this game?
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Here are my 2 cents...go to the license tests. BEFORE you play yourself, have a look at the demo run....then take the test yourself, push R3 at the beginning and you see also where to brake,accelerate or lift off the throttle...it makes a BIG difference knowing where to do what...

Also, you might be better with a DFP Wheel than with the DS handheld (you never know before you try it...)
Good luck! 👍
 
Gold is quite hard, especially with auto transmission.

Silver is quite easy when you get the hang of it, easy does it - slow in/fast out -> full throttle only when you can see the exit of the turn. Mind the tire grip. Save your replay, watch the preview and compare your ghost car with the AI car doing GOLD time -> watch his line and remember where he brakes and where he goes full throttle.

Bronze is easy enough for my 6y old son. He has only a few more to go before getting his nationalB licence.
 
Thanks guys for some many replys.
I espeicially found interesting the one about pushing R3 (??) before you drive to see where to brake etc.
Anyway, so it seems like it's only my impressions that the AI upgrades as much as I do, but how to explain the fact that once I'm on a long straight of some circuit, and leading (by some luck) or because I cut them all out through the grass, I see AI position number too pulling harder then me, and then just passing me by? They not only seem upgraded but also over graded which means, they got more HP whatever at any moment then me, it happened to me in many of Japanese Tournaments where I could see some old Celica from 80s blowing by me once on the straight.
And how to explain the fact that once any race is over, and replay too, there is the black screen showing "Race of *** HP" ?? And every time I bump my hp, this messages displays about the HP I have - this means computer ties up the HP level of every car to be the same!!! How frustrating, you can never win if you're not too good of a driver because you need to be quicker by your driving style and not by power level.
 
Remember, you don't HAVE to win to enjoy the game, everyone has a set ability and you should just try to better your level by a little bit each time you race. I'm not one who insists on getting all golds, I've got a few but why keep on repeating licence tests when there are loads of races to race and improve on. There are Ayrton Sennas and Maureens from driving schools, we all fit somewhere in between.
 
You must beet those beginer events, they are just too easy... Say to yourself, "i am better then these stupid zeros, and one's.. " :sly:
Use some car that you feel like it suits you, and then upgrade it to about 400, 500 hp, and you MUST beet them.. But of course you have to play game and enjoy it, if u play it, just to play it, and advance in percents completed, then you will always be bad at it.. you gotta love the game! 👍 :)
 
youri
Anyway, so it seems like it's only my impressions that the AI upgrades as much as I do, but how to explain the fact that once I'm on a long straight of some circuit, and leading (by some luck) or because I cut them all out through the grass, I see AI position number too pulling harder then me, and then just passing me by? They not only seem upgraded but also over graded which means, they got more HP whatever at any moment then me, it happened to me in many of Japanese Tournaments where I could see some old Celica from 80s blowing by me once on the straight.
And how to explain the fact that once any race is over, and replay too, there is the black screen showing "Race of *** HP" ?? And every time I bump my hp, this messages displays about the HP I have - this means computer ties up the HP level of every car to be the same!!! How frustrating, you can never win if you're not too good of a driver because you need to be quicker by your driving style and not by power level.
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Perhaps you have your gears set too narrow and are hitting the rev limiter on the straights.
 
youri
How frustrating, you can never win if you're not too good of a driver because you need to be quicker by your driving style and not by power level.
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Thats what Gran Turismo is all about - being quicker by driving the lines correctly, not battering the car off the walls with 1000bhp on tap for the straights. If thats what you want, don't play GT. If you want to win, forget about outright power - handling, grip and the way in which you drive are way more important. It has always been that way. I dont want to offend, but you really have to be doing something quite wrong if you cannot beat the Sunday cup in anything with more than 250bhp. Having said that, I still can't quite do it in something with around 100bhp yet... need more practise.

I would be interested to hear what car you were driving in the Japanese. cup... I can't see why something would be quicker in a straight line, unless you bought the fully-customisable transmission and left it on a very narrow setting as someone mentioned...
 
For the comment about "just getting by with bronze," to be honest, I don't think so. To me, acquiring Bronze for a license is more of a sense of accomplishment. It means you've done all you can to try to pass the test. This is usually true for one of a few reasons: (1) can't control the car, (2) can't race the track or complete the objective, (3) can't do 1 and 2 faster and more effectively. Trust me. I'm a Gran Turismo veteran. So having raced license test after license test, the first thing I try to do is learn the car's capabilities. Afterwards, the next task is racing the track. Usually, these methods are interchangable. Either you learn the car before the track, or the track before the car. Whatever the case, you have to make due with what you have.

All I have to say is, if you can get Bronze, you've done all you can. You've fulfilled the objective as best as possible with the car you used, the course you raced, and meeting or beating the Time to Beat. Silver means that you have better knowledge of the car and the track, plus you used both skills to win the event. Gold means you've done all you can and probably cannot be done any better than the Gold time. In fact, here's the most important advice I can give you. Whenever in doubt, DO NOT look at the Gold or Silver times. Learn the car and the course before stepping up. That's true from the Mini Cooper at Tsukuba all the way up a 1990s Mercedes-Benz at Nurburgring Nordschleife.

Just remember. You have to crawl before you walk.
 
Putting all that you can do foward is sort of like getting a Gold but I guess we have different perspectives of "giving it your all".
 
license tests are your friend in my opinion. i only have maybe 6 silver, rest bronze, and i didnt finish special license yet. when i played first time i was all over the place - gt4 is different to gt3 in a way cars handle. but, i dont have problems with winning races at al now, even tho i dont have any gold in licenses and only 6 silvers [well, i didnt try really, i just did them until first pass, never repeated any to get better time]. still, after doing first 4 licenses, even with bronze, you should be able to win some races. and while doing it your skill will improve. good luck.
 
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Hey, at least failing in this game is fun. OHHHHHYEEAAAAHHH!!! :dopey: In GT3 the fail music would provoke me to do some baaaad things. GT2, I was afraid to fail, since it had a big red FAIL. GT everything just stopped, and only then I went "Awwww Man!"
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I agree! The fail music in GT3 would really start to annoy the hell out of me after the fifth time.

As for the topic:

I used my GT3 save game to transfer my B and A licenses, then went to race. BIG MISTAKE. Had to start over for that reason.

Now, in both of my my games (I had another save but started over because I made too many mistakes and wanted to start over using Manual), I've gotten at least the International A license before I made significant progress in the game, and I can honestly say I haven't gotten stuck on one series through the 50% of my second game. Not bad for somebody who not too long ago could barely win those 10-15 point races.

My point - like almost everybody said, if you practice, you'll eventually get better. Don't try to tell me driving 10 laps at Nurburgring in a JGTC car won't make you a better driver. Doing the license tests first also helps. These tips may be annoying, but trust me, they work.
 

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