Idea to support drifting in GTP

[maveric25]

Basically the issue is that there isn't much options for the drifting community in GTPlanet. The only section that is basically for drifting is inside "GT5" section so it's just for the game, but there is nothing else outside of there that will allow us to access drifting thread easily. Thread where we can discuss drifting in real life. My suggestion is to create a "Drifting" pre-fix in the Motorsports thread, as all there is are for racing only, & even consider the idea of creating a Drifting section that doesn't have to do with GT5. I know that a lot of the people in the "GT5 Drifting" section would like it because we really care about drifting. Hope this idea is considered & that some love is shown to the GTP Drifting Community.

 

[Schwartz]

I know that a lot of the people in the "GT5 Drifting" section would like it because care about drifting.

Because drift car?

 

[maveric25]

Typo, was just fixed.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I think a Drifting pre-fix in the Motorsports section would be sufficient. It doesn't need it's own section.

 

[Dragonistic]

Pre-fix if anything. There's only really 1 active thread by the looks concerning real world drifting and there doesn't need to be many more concerning it outside of that. If anything, a thread for drift cars in Cars in General as well is probably all GTP needs maximum on top of the GT5 section already in existence.

Even if there was enough activity to warrant a dedicated drift section, the GT5 Drift section is hardly known for being the most friendly of places with a worrying proportion of close-minded and elitist members (particularly concerning AWD drifting in the game) who try spoil the reputation of any sort of drifting community on GTP. It's that way amongst most drifting communities anywhere near a video game, I've been involved with many on and off since 2005 and it's the same old story everywhere which is a great shame as they can overshadow alot of friendly and knowledgeable people. I kind of like that those people are locked away in the corner of GTP, but I'm probably straying off-topic here so I'll stop.

 

[maveric25]

Well is it our fault that drifting has always been put aside, is it our damn fault that when people are wrong about something & we try to help, they retaliate saying we are wrong & that we know nothing about drifting. It's thoughts like yours that have us tired, thoughts of not doing anything to support drifting, because some people don't give a crap about drifting doesn't mean that we don't the right to have our own stuff, but hey, guess what, it's that way, the drifting community always being put aside. Sorry but we're tired of it.

P.S. Not talking about GTP only.

 

[Dennisch]

Well is it our fault that drifting has always been put aside, is it our damn fault that when people are wrong about something & we try to help, they retaliate saying we are wrong & that we know nothing about drifting. It's thoughts like yours that have us tired, thoughts of not doing anything to support drifting, because some people don't give a crap about drifting doesn't mean that we don't the right to have our own stuff, but hey, guess what, it's that way, the drifting community always being put aside. Sorry but we're tired of it.

P.S. Not talking about GTP only.

Ahem.

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Even if there was enough activity to warrant a dedicated drift section, the GT5 Drift section is hardly known for being the most friendly of places with a worrying proportion of close-minded and elitist members (particularly concerning AWD drifting in the game) who try spoil the reputation of any sort of drifting community on GTP.

This is, sadly, the truth.

 

[maveric25]

You know what, screw this, no one gets the damn point. Our attitude is a result of beign tossed aside by you, the people who don't really care about drifting. We try to help people understand what's best for drifting & they don't care & keep doing it wrong thinking they're doing it better. So whatever, screw this... thanks for beign un-supportive like everyone has always been towards drifting. 👎

 

[Tornado]

That attitude is certain to get you the dedicated subforum that you want and in no way reinforces what Dennisch and Dragonistic pointed out as being the reason it would never be popular if you did get it.

 

[1241Penguin]

We try to help people understand what's best for drifting & they don't care & keep doing it wrong thinking they're doing it better.

Why bother? Do you own GTP?

It's their decision, so just let them be.

 

[maveric25]

Sorry but it ticks me that when an idea to support drifting is planted, people are like "Ah, whatever". Is it fair for the drifting community to be ignored like this, & I'm not talking of just GTP or GT5, it happens in a lot of places. I just don't get why people even hate drifting. Take Atlanta for example, they banned drifting for the most stupid reason ever, it makes "too much noise", come on, seriously, but hey racing & drag make a lot of noise but they didn't get banned. It's the ignorance & the hate towards drifting that really disappoints me.

 

[Northstar]

You have a drift thread in the motorsports section, I would suggest putting a link to it in your signature and urge people to subscribe to it at the same time so they can follow it better(The only way you will get your wish is to show there is a good amount of interest).

 

[Dragonistic]

That attitude is certain to get you the dedicated subforum that you want and in no way reinforces what Dennisch and Dragonistic pointed out as being the reason it would never be popular if you did get it.

As Toronado says here Maveric, you're proving our point immediately by taking insult to something when the statement wasn't aimed directly at your personally and I dare say this is something almost everyone does in the GT5 drifting section causing constant 'drama', we presented an opinion and you've thrown your dummy out at us. My point is that though there are good people amongst the rabble over there in the GT5 drifting section, the total 'drifting community' includes alot of shall we say sub-par behaviour and that doesn't leave many people to fill an entire drifting sub-forum elsewhere that will make the most of it and not just hate on everything. Furthermore, it's not solely because the GTP drift community 'isn't good enough' there's just not a massive amount of good people in there and GTP can't hand out sections to every small corner of the forum particularly one which doesn't keep itself in line very well as it is.

Drifting communities which have been built around a video game will not be taken seriously until they start treating each other with more respect, it's not your fault it is this way Maveric and everyone understands your point of view (believe me I'm sure many people that have been parts of small communities they wish to support and promote). Having spent 7 or so years involved in this type of community, the problem has got worse and worse as the sport grows but the fanbase largely remains ignorant and immature which is a great shame and ultimately why I stopped bothering with video game drift communities even though I once ran a team of my own and knew alot of good people the sad reality is for every one good person there's another or more bad ones.

In a forum environment the sport is only as good as it's fans and community, regardless of the sport itself.

You have a drift thread in the motorsports section, I would suggest putting a link to it in your signature and urge people to subscribe to it at the same time so they can follow it better(The only way you will get your wish is to show there is a good amount of interest).

May I also suggest creating a social group which you can essentially have a small section to yourself and other drifters whilst simultaneously avoid bad members. Drum up support, down the road you may get yourself more support in the rest of the forum.

 

[W3H5]

If the GT5 drifting forum is anything to go by then a separate area all together would probably be like a no-mans land!

 

[Maccer_42]

snip* the GT5 Drift section is hardly known for being the most friendly of places with a worrying proportion of close-minded and elitist members (particularly concerning AWD drifting in the game) *snip

While I partially agree with you about the GT5 drift section not always being the friendliest place, but I put that down to the fact that "Teams" involved with it, whenever you have teams or clubs in forums they are always usualy seen as unfriendly.

But I don't like the statement about them being "elitist" members with concerns to AWD drifters, while some people are adamant that AWD cars can't drift, while they technically can, but considering the fact that AWD vehicles are banned from two bigest offical real drifting competitions D1GP and Formula D, while I personaly feel that competitions arn't what drifting should be about and take away the raw fun of it, they are techniacally like governing body's that decide the "Do's and Don'ts" of drifting. I fail to see how those that discourage the use of AWD are being elitist.

Trying to think of a good example but I can't so i'll use a poor one. If you have a GT5 racing league set up for LMP race cars and someone wants to enter using a Formula 1 race car you obviously wouldn't allow him to enter, are you being elitist by not allowing him to use that type of vehicle? No of course not, but he could argue they are both vehicles that drive around race tracks why can't he enter. See my point?

If the GT5 drifting forum is anything to go by then a separate area all together would probably be like a no-mans land!

I keep seeing people make coments about how bad the drift and drag sub forums are on GTP and that alot of premium members like to have a laugh at what goes on in them while discussing it all in the privacy of the premium only members sub forums. I might have to get myself a premium membership to see how the "elite" of this website views the common member.

But to the OP's sugestion, I've noticed that in the motorsports subforum you can add a "tag" to the thread title for Formula 1, WRC etc, I think all that is needed is "Drifting" needs to be added to the list of choseable tags you can add when creating a topic in the motorsports subforum then all the drifting related talk would automatically get grouped together.

 

[CodeRedR51]

You know what, screw this, no one gets the damn point. Our attitude is a result of beign tossed aside by you, the people who don't really care about drifting. We try to help people understand what's best for drifting & they don't care & keep doing it wrong thinking they're doing it better. So whatever, screw this... thanks for beign un-supportive like everyone has always been towards drifting. 👎

I care about drifting (more the car side of it and the skill involved, not the "community" that surrounds the sport) and I don't think it needs it's own section.

 

[maveric25]

So we can't have a place where we can't discuss everything about drifting in real life, just like the drag people can't either...? Heck, if we try to discuss something that doesn't belong to GT5 in the only section that we have, we get a warning.

 

[Dennisch]

Drift threads in the motorsport section.

So, it is possible to discuss it.

 

[maveric25]

Drift threads in the motorsport section.

So, it is possible to discuss it.

The only thread that's alive in those is my Formula Drift 2012 thread & that's because I first posted it on the GT5 drifting section (where the people that really care about drifting are), otherwise half the people on it wouldn't have probably found it.

 

[CodeRedR51]

The only thread that's alive in those is my Formula Drift 2012 thread & that's because I first posted it on the GT5 drifting section (where the people that really care about drifting are), otherwise half the people on it wouldn't have probably found it.

Maybe you should direct them to the Motorsport section, where it belongs. There are other parts of this site you know.

 

[1241Penguin]

But I don't like the statement about them being "elitist" members with concerns to AWD drifters, while some people are adamant that AWD cars can't drift, while they technically can, but considering the fact that AWD vehicles are banned from two bigest offical real drifting competitions D1GP and Formula D, while I personaly feel that competitions arn't what drifting should be about and take away the raw fun of it, they are techniacally like governing body's that decide the "Do's and Don'ts" of drifting. I fail to see how those that discourage the use of AWD are being elitist.

So what? Since the NHL is the biggest governing body for ice hockey, I suppose every single hockey game in the entire world must completely adhere to their rules, and if they don't, it's completely alright for others to bash them, correct?

I keep seeing people make coments about how bad the drift and drag sub forums are on GTP and that alot of premium members like to have a laugh at what goes on in them while discussing it all in the privacy of the premium only members sub forums. I might have to get myself a premium membership to see how the "elite" of this website views the common member.

Honestly, you guys set yourselves up for it.

 

[Tornado]

But I don't like the statement about them being "elitist" members with concerns to AWD drifters, while some people are adamant that AWD cars can't drift, while they technically can, but considering the fact that AWD vehicles are banned from two bigest offical real drifting competitions D1GP and Formula D, while I personaly feel that competitions arn't what drifting should be about and take away the raw fun of it, they are techniacally like governing body's that decide the "Do's and Don'ts" of drifting. I fail to see how those that discourage the use of AWD are being elitist.

Trying to think of a good example but I can't so i'll use a poor one. If you have a GT5 racing league set up for LMP race cars and someone wants to enter using a Formula 1 race car you obviously wouldn't allow him to enter, are you being elitist by not allowing him to use that type of vehicle? No of course not, but he could argue they are both vehicles that drive around race tracks why can't he enter. See my point?

I do see your point. That was a poor example

Because last I checked, the person who likes to use F1 cars wasn't constantly harassed and picked on and looked down upon by the LMP users because he likes to use F1 cars, to the extent that the moderators had to post a specific set of rules regarding such discussion under threat of closing the entire subforum to stop it. Which, you know, did happen for the Drift subforum.

I keep seeing people make coments about how bad the drift and drag sub forums are on GTP and that alot of premium members like to have a laugh at what goes on in them while discussing it all in the privacy of the premium only members sub forums. I might have to get myself a premium membership to see how the "elite" of this website views the common member.

If you feel that that is a valuable use of your money, then go right ahead.

 

[Maccer_42]

So what? Since the NHL is the biggest governing body for ice hockey, I suppose every single hockey game in the entire world must completely adhere to their rules, and if they don't, it's completely alright for others to bash them, correct?

So what? Well since alot of the members that use the drift subforum use it for arranging competitions it makes sence to me they will try and follow the rule set of the real world competitions they are trying to recreate in game. Just to clarify I have nothing against people who use AWD cars or FF cars or what ever kind of vehicle you can think of to drift as long as you have fun who cares! But if you're trying to hold a competition it will have rule sets to obide by, and the best way to get word out about a competition is to use the drifting subforum, and when people try to enter with cars that do not meet that rule set, and then argue this that and the other that they should be allowed the people that run the competition will get annoyed.

Do I think it's ok to bash them? No I don't and I never said I did, If people want to use AWD cars to drift then by all means go ahead and do so, I wont personaly try and stop you. I'm probably in the minority with how I feel about what should and shouldn't be allowed when it comes to drifting, as I personaly feel there shoudn't be any rules to it which is why I dont like competitions. But if you are trying to enter competitions with an AWD car I don't see why the way competitions are run should change it's rule set as it's based on how the real thing is done.
Granted some people do out right bash members when just using AWD cars for fun, but that's their personal views, not that of the whole comunity and certainly not views that I agree with.

Honestly, you guys set yourselves up for it.

I'm sure alot do, but I don't think it's fair to generalize everyone that uses that subforum into one group.

 

[1241Penguin]

So what? Well since alot of the members that use the drift subforum use it for arranging competitions it makes sence to me they will try and follow the rule set of the real world competitions they are trying to recreate in game. Just to clarify I have nothing against people who use AWD cars or FF cars or what ever kind of vehicle you can think of to drift as long as you have fun who cares! But if you're trying to hold a competition it will have rule sets to obide by, and the best way to get word out about a competition is to use the drifting subforum, and when people try to enter with cars that do not meet that rule set, and then argue this that and the other that they should be allowed the people that run the competition will get annoyed.

Fair enough.

Do I think it's ok to bash them? No I don't and I never said I did,

Not you in particular.

If people want to use AWD cars to drift then by all means go ahead and do so, I wont personaly try and stop you. I'm probably in the minority with how I feel about what should and shouldn't be allowed when it comes to drifting, as I personaly feel there shoudn't be any rules to it which is why I dont like competitions. But if you are trying to enter competitions with an AWD car I don't see why the way competitions are run should change it's rule set as it's based on how the real thing is done.

If the "competition" is based on rules where AWD cars aren't allowed, then, by all means, stop them from entering with an AWD car.

Granted some people do out right bash members when just using AWD cars for fun, but that's their personal views, not that of the whole comunity and certainly not views that I agree with.

It may very well be their opinion. I hate school, does it mean that I go around bashing teachers and principals? No.

I'm sure alot do, but I don't think it's fair to generalize everyone that uses that subforum into one group.

Just from one thread (identities protected as per AUP):

You lost me at "FF" and "badass drift car". Lol

There's no drifting. Its ass-dragging.

I have to say that while I do not consider this drifting it doesn't look horrendous.
On your exits you can clearly tell that you have FF and considering the driving wasn't very good to begin with I would never really consider it drifting.

...and another...

drop the evo and get something rear wheel drive asap

smh.

RWD will always be better for drifting, real life or GT5.

Also, get the torque right 10/90 not 25/75

RWD>AWD anyday of the week for drifting..

Unless you like getting kicked out of lobby's with your 4WD awesomeness then stick to it. But if you wanna be cool unlike Block Ken then use a RWD. Best car for starting out is a S13 with no power mods just a FC LSD.

They're serious, because they're just ignorant.

All they know about drifting is GT5 and Ken Block

RWD / 4WD👎

No I don't tune AWD cars, it's a waste of time to do it, but at least I know how to tune them to get the best of them & get them as close to RWD as possible. You are using 5/60 which means your front wheels accelerate when you give gas which is the most stupid thing for a "drift" car. Accept the truth, RWD reigns supreme.

I could go on...

In that second thread, in no way did the OP mention anything about RWD cars. All they asked for was a good tune for an AWD car.

I'm sure there are some good, nice drifters out there...

 

[maveric25]

Maybe you should direct them to the Motorsport section, where it belongs. There are other parts of this site you know.

So now you implying that I only use one section of GTP... wow This is pointless, I know you'll not say, but probably some of you don't even care about drifting. Pointless to try to explain our point.

 

[Northstar]

So now you implying that I only use one section of GTP... wow This is pointless, I know you'll not say, but probably some of you don't even care about drifting. Pointless to try to explain our point.

You are not helping your(or the drift communities) case by posting like that.

Granted I don't know what he meant exactly, but the way I read it he was saying show the people in the GT5 drift section that there other parts of the forum, mainly your thread in the motorsport section.

I will say that the attitude that has been discussed here is not exclusive to the drift forum(really the entire GT5 section is like that) but it does seem especially bad in the drift forum.

 

[BobK]

Sorry but it ticks me that when an idea to support drifting is planted, people are like "Ah, whatever". Is it fair for the drifting community to be ignored like this, & I'm not talking of just GTP or GT5, it happens in a lot of places. I just don't get why people even hate drifting. Take Atlanta for example, they banned drifting for the most stupid reason ever, it makes "too much noise", come on, seriously, but hey racing & drag make a lot of noise but they didn't get banned. It's the ignorance & the hate towards drifting that really disappoints me.

So we can't have a place where we can't discuss everything about drifting in real life, just like the drag people can't either...? Heck, if we try to discuss something that doesn't belong to GT5 in the only section that we have, we get a warning.

You are, of course, free to start your own website/forum on drifting or whatever floats your boat. Although you couldn't advertise it here on GTP, you can put a link to it in your sig.

So now you implying that I only use one section of GTP... wow This is pointless, I know you'll not say, but probably some of you don't even care about drifting. Pointless to try to explain our point.

No "probably" about it. I don't care about drifting. There are almost certainly things I'm into that you aren't, but I wouldn't be getting my panties in a twist about it.

 

[Pupik]

So now you implying that I only use one section of GTP... wow This is pointless, I know you'll not say, but probably some of you don't even care about drifting. Pointless to try to explain our point.

You're right, I don't care about drifting. I also don't care about anime, TV, building my own computer, most video games, people's desktops, bronies, and so on and so forth...but that gives me at least an indifference which doesn't interfere in a more partial manner, as they're all popular discussions on this site. With thousands of discussions active on the site, nobody can possibly care about everything happening with GTPlanet passionately, but as long as it within the Acceptable Use Policy and within specific forum guidelines, it floats.

Historically, GTP has had sub-forums for Rallying, Formula 1, NASCAR, even for manufacturers like Nissan and Mazda, but eventually they did not sustain enough posts individually to warrant keeping them seperate. The decision to blend them (back) together to their parent forum hasn't had much issue. A new forum or sub-forum would be useful if a significant number of new threads or posts were related to a totally different subject. We began a drifting forum for GT3 about two years after the site's launch, in demand for the increasing amount of drifting threads that were coming up. After all, we had sub-forums for Tuning and Spot Races...and the move was popular, since drifting wasn't actually part of the game (until GT5), but it helped ease tensions between those who cared about it, and those who didn't. I think asking for your own forum is a bit rash: As others have already said, GTP has Motorsport and Cars in General sub-forums (under Automotive), and a dedicated GT5 sub-forum just for Drifting (as well as in GT3 and GT4).

I will echo that we've had lots of behavior issues with members all over the site, but there does seem to be even more troubles with our membership who exclusively stay within the same couple of threads and sub-forums (not just to pick on drifters and drag racers). I think there's a breath of fresh air, a mental awareness, discovery and learning that occurs when you poke around in different areas of the site (or the rest of the web), even if one is just there to browse and read. On the other hand, we also have a lot of troublemakers that harbor the drift and drag forums. Generally, they cause rifts with each other, have totally inconsistent posting styles, post off-topic too much, slow-chat, and disregard the rules flagrantly. Perhaps they think they're emulating the so-called norms of an underground subculture, or these things impress on them to such a degree that actual disrespect for authority is "safely" repressed to just being a jerk on the internet.

Maybe if the drift and drag forums didn't act like a bunch of hot-shot wannabes that waste our bandwidth having pissing matches and made a few strong attempts at trying to form things and treat each other in a organized and civilized manner, rather than flaunting nonsense, then it would have some merit. Seriously, you all play video games; you're not saving the planet and aren't curing cancer, so quit the holier-than-thou attitude towards one another. I know this doesn't speak for everyone there, but a few bad apples spoil the rest of the bunch at times, and I'm genuinely sorry if I've overgeneralized. But I feel we moderators dispatched to the same sub-forums continuously to break up the same brawls.

While I don't have the final word on this subject, I'd safely say the answer is no.

 

[BobK]

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Well said, Pupik.