If the GT500KR Isn't Enough: Shelby Builds the 'Super Snake' (725 BHP!)

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S***! i just worked out the price of this thing in GBP:

US $ = 60,000
GB £ = 30,101!!!!!

725hp for £30k = BARGAIN OF THE CENTURY!!!!
 
Toronado
Ah. So they aren't gonna fix the problems that plague the car then, and instead are going to flash a big horsepower number in our faces and hope we don't notice the car is still flawed on so many levels?
Rock on, Ford. Rock on.
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You mean like the crap handling, the steel-rods-instead-of-springs suspension, and the bargain-basement interior? I never noticed....

It's ironic that Shelby put his name on this one. Not that the idea of adding ridiculous amounts of power wasn't in his history, but it usually involved cars that were otherwise decent (i.e., AC Cobra) or involved re-engineering cars (1965 GT350). There are so many other things that could have been done to this car that would have made it better in more than just a straight line, and they could probably all have been done with the same budget.

Ford: swing-and-a-miss. Again.
 
harrytuttle
Ford: swing-and-a-miss. Again.
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And yet again I point out that this is a Shelby model, NOT a Ford model. Yes, Shelby strapped his name to the 'standard' GT500 as well as the Shelby GT, but this is an independent model...
 
YSSMAN
And yet again I point out that this is a Shelby model, NOT a Ford model. Yes, Shelby strapped his name to the 'standard' GT500 as well as the Shelby GT, but this is an independent model...
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Okay, I'll revise it then:

Shelby: swing-and-a-miss. Again.

;)
 
Except when that 700hp isn't properly put to the road, I can't imagine the car is overly fun to drive. In the words of Top Gear..."It's fun in the same way being shot at is fun".
 
Its fun in the way that you could burn the rear tires off the car without moving the car forward an inch fun...

...These are the kinds of cars made for our parents generation. We shouldn't get so worried about it. We all know that if we were buying it, we would have done things a lot more differently...
 
Ya there will always be something awesome about that, but this generation of car guy wants something that can do that and be able to go around a corner and everything like that. But I guess you can't have everything right?
 
Joey D
Except when that 700hp isn't properly put to the road, I can't imagine the car is overly fun to drive. In the words of Top Gear..."It's fun in the same way being shot at is fun".
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That is such bull****. I see you are of the opinion that the GT500 doesn't actually have 500bhp? What the hell ever. Nothing with 700bhp is a bad thing. And who gives a **** about taking this around corners, IT IS A BLOODY DRAG CAR.

GOD I CAN'T stand the GT500 haters, I really can't. It's a collectable drag car people, jesus ****ing christ.
 
Dude calm down, I've never said anything about the 500hp. I'm appalled by the fact that the Mustang still has a live rear axle which is awful in corners. You can't put a ton of power in a car and neglect the suspension. I could careless if the GT500 had only 400hp, it's still to much with that crappy of a suspension. That's why I hate it, and I made no comment about the power so why you brought that up is beyond me.

Drag cars are idiotic, people want cornering ability in this day and age, cars can be American, fast in a straight line, and fast in the corners...the Z06 proves this, I'm sure the Camaro will be the same way, along with the Challenger. There are several fast straight line cars with great cornering.
 
Joey D
Dude calm down, I've never said anything about the 500hp. I'm appalled by the fact that the Mustang still has a live rear axle which is awful in corners. You can't put a ton of power in a car and neglect the suspension. I could careless if the GT500 had only 400hp, it's still to much with that crappy of a suspension. That's why I hate it, and I made no comment about the power so why you brought that up is beyond me.

Drag cars are idiotic, people want cornering ability in this day and age, cars can be American, fast in a straight line, and fast in the corners...the Z06 proves this, I'm sure the Camaro will be the same way, along with the Challenger. There are several fast straight line cars with great cornering.
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Drag cars may be idiotic to you and some others but it is still a lively market and people do spend alot of money in that segment. The Mustang was never meant to go around corners, and neither was the Camaro. Why can't people just accept this and move on. The new Mustangs are outselling almost everything except pickup trucks here in American, that must mean they are worth something. Why can't the people that hate these Mustangs just accept them for what they are and move on.

Mr P510
Just another overweight,ill handeling,overpowered us produced piece of....yuck!!
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You came in here just to piss me and the others who like this car off. I call that trolling, and if you were on any forum I moderate/administrate or you'd be quickly removed.
 
They weren't meant to be a good handling car when they were introduced but times change and car need to evolve to stay competitive. I don't understand why they can't ditch the live rear axle or at least redesign it so the car handles decently well. The Rousch Mustangs that they put racing suspension in are fine, I mean they are no Miata running around but at least you won't die going into a corner.
 
Joey D
They weren't meant to be a good handling car when they were introduced but times change and car need to evolve to stay competitive. I don't understand why they can't ditch the live rear axle or at least redesign it so the car handles decently well. The Rousch Mustangs that they put racing suspension in are fine, I mean they are no Miata running around but at least you won't die going into a corner.
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Things will change, with the Camaro's introduction Ford will put in a more modern suspension in the next Mustang just because GM did. The new Mustang GT handles a billion times better than the old ones. I haven't driven a Roush, Saleen, or GT500 yet but I have driven quite a few GT's and I don't think they are nearly as bad to drive around corners as the old ones. Mainly because I think 300bhp is perfect for its weight, which is 200lbs lighter than the 2004 Mustang. I realize it's not a really good handling car, but it isn't a bad one either.

And to the "overweight" comment that troller P510 said, the Mustang's curb weight is over 3400lbs and the 350Z (which I like more than the Mustang) is over 3500lbs. I dont hear you griping about its weight? 3400lbs isn't overweight, anything more than 3600lbs I would think is--which includes alot of Mercedes coupes--for which I really like.
 
JCE3000GT
Drag cars may be idiotic to you and some others but it is still a lively market and people do spend alot of money in that segment. The Mustang was never meant to go around corners, and neither was the Camaro. Why can't people just accept this and move on. The new Mustangs are outselling almost everything except pickup trucks here in American, that must mean they are worth something. Why can't the people that hate these Mustangs just accept them for what they are and move on.



You came in here just to piss me and the others who like this car off. I call that trolling, and if you were on any forum I moderate/administrate or you'd be quickly removed.
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My opinion weather you like it or not.And I wasn't personally attacking anyone.
 
Common sense dictates that you read the topic and thus knew that posting such a ONE sentence reply would undoubtably piss someone off does it not? Or, maybe you did not read the topic and just posted ONE sentence that didn't really explain your point very well.

You most certainly did attack someone, try the USA as a whole. While I'm not American I will defend them when wrongly generalized and insulted such as with your comment.
 
If anyone is a redneck around here, its probably me, with my lust for big OHV V8s, straight-line performance, and my love for NASCAR...

Either way, this car is cool. Quite frankly, I could care less how fast the car could go around the corner, as this isn't what it is all about. Its about ripping through the quarter as fast as you can, and then crusin' the streets for chicks (or dudes if you're into that...). That, or some high-speed crusin', because thats just what we do in America...

If anything, this is about as American as an American car can get these days. The cars are still built in Detroit, it uses the engine from a truck, has a suspension that probably shouldn't be used anymore (but it works, and we like it!!!), and altogether gives the finger to the greenies who want to protect the Earth.

Whats not to love about the car?

Oh thats right, it can't turn right or left at speeds higher than 65 MPH... Because everyone who buys one has to make large sweeping turns at rates higher than the posted speed limits, not to mention their daily trips around the Nurburgring.

...Get over it people, its a MUSCLECAR. Its not supposed to turn. Thats what the BOSS and Z/28 models are for...
 
JCE3000GT
Drag cars may be idiotic to you and some others but it is still a lively market and people do spend alot of money in that segment. The Mustang was never meant to go around corners, and neither was the Camaro. Why can't people just accept this and move on. The new Mustangs are outselling almost everything except pickup trucks here in American, that must mean they are worth something. Why can't the people that hate these Mustangs just accept them for what they are and move on.
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YSSMAN
...Get over it people, its a MUSCLECAR. Its not supposed to turn. Thats what the BOSS and Z/28 models are for...
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In reply to above posts, lack of the independent rear suspension was due to the cost, not because Ford thought the car didn't need it. The decision was made to keep the cost low, and leave plenty of profit margin for Ford. Way Ford is struggling, I think it was a wise choice. It also does keep the MSRP reasonable.

I accept the decision, so do you guys. But people who think otherwise are entitled to their opinion. Many Mustang owners, club members, do care about cornering ability of Mustangs.
 
JCE3000GT
That is such bull****. I see you are of the opinion that the GT500 doesn't actually have 500bhp? What the hell ever. Nothing with 700bhp is a bad thing. And who gives a **** about taking this around corners, IT IS A BLOODY DRAG CAR.

GOD I CAN'T stand the GT500 haters, I really can't. It's a collectable drag car people, jesus ****ing christ.
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Then explain to me why there's a FR500GT in the FIA GT3?

Oh wait, it's best place so far has been 26th. You must be right.
 
As YSS has pointed out before (I think) there is always an exception to the Mustang's can't race rule. I am quite aware of that Mustang, I still maintain they are better drag cars than track cars. I, however, do believe the Mustang can be MADE (and apparently has been made) a better track car then what people give it credit for. Take the Roush for instance, it is quite a decent track car considering it still uses a rather "crude" suspension by European standards. *cough*
 
Every Mustang I've ever seen at an auto cross has sucked, even most of the modified ones. I understand that muscle cars aren't made to be track stars, but there is no way a car should be that bad at something in 2007. Even the last generation of F-bodies aren't bad, my buddy has a Formula that he races and it holds it's own pretty good for being stock.

If you have say a 1980 Mustang, I'm sure it's not going to be good in the corners, but technology has come a long way since then. The new Mustang when it debuted a few years ago should have at least had a better live axle. The Corvette proves you can take outdated technology and make it work wonders.
 
Ahem.


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The best handling thing to ever come out of Ford during that era.


EDIT: LOL WTF thats not a BOSS 351......

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Joey D
Even the last generation of F-bodies aren't bad, my buddy has a Formula that he races and it holds it's own pretty good for being stock.
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The F-Body has ALWAYS outdone the Mustang, since day one. The last of the F-Bodies out-handled the Mustang simply because of the 'drag-and-drop' nature of the Corvette parts into the car, and thereby handling increased dramatically.
 
Yea, the Mustang doesn't have an older brother to jack parts from. That's the one thing that would of made it compete better versus the F-bodies after 1975-ish.
 
Joey D
They weren't meant to be a good handling car when they were introduced but times change and car need to evolve to stay competitive. I don't understand why they can't ditch the live rear axle or at least redesign it so the car handles decently well. The Rousch Mustangs that they put racing suspension in are fine, I mean they are no Miata running around but at least you won't die going into a corner.
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ford can ditch the rear axle. The frame is loosely based on the licoln ls, so if they wanted to, they could. Ford had IRS in the cheaper, last gen cobra 99-2003, and guess what? Owners and potential owners ASKED for a live rear axle in new one, cause the IRS wasnt as good as putting power down on the drag strip. Mustang customers, for the most part, are NOT concerned with corners. Acceleration, durabilty, weasy of modification, thats it. Go to a mustang board and you will find forums for how to do the IRS to live axle swap.
 
*McLaren*
Then explain to me why there's a FR500GT in the FIA GT3?

Oh wait, it's best place so far has been 26th. You must be right.
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There are always exceptions to the rule. The Multimatic Motorsports/Ford Racing Mustang won its debut in 2005. And my buddy has a mustang and he loves corners. But, the majority of mustang owners still prefer drag racing. Check out an open track day and friday night at the drag strip, BIG difference.
 
Matthew Keller
Ahem.


1970-Ford-Mustang-Boss-351-custom-sa-nf.jpg


The best handling thing to ever come out of Ford during that era.


EDIT: LOL WTF thats not a BOSS 351......

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If that's true, then I guess I'm not surprised anymore that the Paranelli Jones Mustang is the best track handling Mustang built. Not the fastest probably, but at least its competition can't beat it with 100 less horsepower.
 

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