If youre a good driver in real life, will you automatically be good at GT4?(with DFP)

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I can foresee this...because of GT4, the number of people who drive around the Ring will double and the average beginner lap times will also drop

EDIT: Also, more people will end up dying because of GT4 (y'know...the "This didn't hurt in GT4" syndrome)
 
3LeMeN7
Just wondering.. Using a Driving Force Pro, will your skill come from being a good driver, or being good at video games?
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to actually answer your question:

from both. Being a good driver should give you skills like: where the line is, where to look, and how the car's physics work. Being a good gamer should give you skills like: being familiar with the controls and good motor skills. But like any good game, there WILL be a learning curve no matter how good you are at a particular activity.
 
It will vary from person to person but I'd say yes. Maybe not for the GT series but definitely for sims like GPL and Richard Burns Rally.
 
enphynity
this game needs peripheral vision. hard to be a really good driver when you can't see what is on either side of your car
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yeah that'd be a killer setup. The F355 Challenge cabinet was the best, they came in soooo handy and worked naturally.
 
Civicbus
yeah that'd be a killer setup. The F355 Challenge cabinet was the best, they came in soooo handy and worked naturally.
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You can have peripheral vision if you want to buy 3 tvs, 3 PS2s and 3 GT4s.


On the topic of this thread: I would say driving skills are a plus, but since you can't feel G forces, you really can't figure out what the limist of the car are. I played GT3 a lot before I ever took my car out on track, and I think GT3 made me a better driver, but I'm not sure the reverse would be true.

I have a couple of friends that are excellent drivers, but the first time I set them infront of my DFP with gt3, they crashed into walls and spun out. I guess I would say it will help make the learning curve less steep.
 
Minnesota01R6
You can have peripheral vision if you want to buy 3 tvs, 3 PS2s and 3 GT4s.
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yeah but is that the 3 view setup from the Japan Demo show? cuz that didn't look too great... Maybe the TV's needed to be aligned differently but it looked very rough.
 
Civicbus
yeah that'd be a killer setup. The F355 Challenge cabinet was the best, they came in soooo handy and worked naturally.
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I personally LOVE this arcade game. It´s just as real life driving, or quite near it.

I´ve won many times on it, and u really have to work hard to get the first place, mainly in manual mode as u have to heel and toe all the time. :dopey:
 
If you cannot tell the difference between real life and a video game, you shouldn't be playing. Just because you have good driving skills doesn't mean you'll be the best at Gran Turismo, and just because you have every lap reocrd in GT, that doesn't mean you'll be great on the roads.

Don't get the two mixed up. Just because you ca drive in a game, don't think it means you're good in real life.
 
veilsidebr
I personally LOVE this arcade game. It´s just as real life driving, or quite near it.

I´ve won many times on it, and u really have to work hard to get the first place, mainly in manual mode as u have to heel and toe all the time. :dopey:
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hahaha yep, the heel/toe and that KICKASS shifter/gate were one of the many reasons I loved that game.

It's always fun watching people hop in thinkin' they're all that and a bag of refried beans then they go sliding off into the netheregion and all you see is that big red brake light on the back light up for a solid minute :lol:
 
3LeMeN7
Just wondering.. Using a Driving Force Pro, will your skill come from being a good driver, or being good at video games?
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ok, it's important for you to know this, being a good driver is an entirelty different thing from being a good pilot, or should i say, being a pro driver.
now, if you are a racer in real life, and a good one at that, then yes, you should automaticly be a good driver automaticly in GT4 with the DFP.
a real pilot's first complain about the game will be how the brake pedal sucks, because the brake lacks pressure, other than that they will have no big complains.
(this was the reaction of a best motoring driver, nakaya.)
and the other complain they'll have can not be easily adressed, wich is the "butt" feeedback you get from driving a real car, or the cornering G's.

PD had a nissan test driver drive on nurburgring for the game and on the real track, he had very similar results on the game with only a 5 second difference (wich sounds like a lot, but when you consider the length of the track it's actually pretty decent.)
 
Minnesota01R6
You can have peripheral vision if you want to buy 3 tvs, 3 PS2s and 3 GT4s.


On the topic of this thread: I would say driving skills are a plus, but since you can't feel G forces, you really can't figure out what the limist of the car are. I played GT3 a lot before I ever took my car out on track, and I think GT3 made me a better driver, but I'm not sure the reverse would be true.

I have a couple of friends that are excellent drivers, but the first time I set them infront of my DFP with gt3, they crashed into walls and spun out. I guess I would say it will help make the learning curve less steep.
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the reason people sit down and crash in games like F355 challenge and GT series is because they expect it to be a 100% arcade game where using the brake is an option. (burnout anyone?)
and since they can't sense the speed or the danger they'll just go flat out... that's one reason, the other one is with realistic simulators you get realistic handling, and very few people that are good drivers are good pilots, put your friend on an F1 car on the track, (heck, any car.) and he'll spin out and crash into walls just like in F355 challenge or even gran turismo 3 (wich isn't that realistic to begin with... GT4 is close to F355 though.)
 
The only thing that I could see transerring into and out of GT is the use of good lines. Maybe it could help you memorize a huge track like the nurburgring(sp).
 
I save like 5secs of my drive home from work because I can use weight distribution to accelerate out of a corner then break like most ppl do. :sly:

Thank you GT3 5 secs of my life have been taken back :dopey:
 
SaintKamus
the reason people sit down and crash in games like F355 challenge and GT series is because they expect it to be a 100% arcade game where using the brake is an option. (burnout anyone?)
and since they can't sense the speed or the danger they'll just go flat out... that's one reason, the other one is with realistic simulators you get realistic handling, and very few people that are good drivers are good pilots, put your friend on an F1 car on the track, (heck, any car.) and he'll spin out and crash into walls just like in F355 challenge or even gran turismo 3 (wich isn't that realistic to begin with... GT4 is close to F355 though.)
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I assumed he meant good "race driver" when he asked this question, so I guess I shouldn't have assumed so much. Just being a good driver will not help you on GT4. You don't need to parrallel park, signal a turn, or avoid roadkill in GT4. The two friends I was talking about are good race drivers, and they, like everyone, still needed to get the feel of the game because no matter how close it comes to reality, you don't get the visual, audio, or seat of your pants sensations that help drivers. Also, I own the F355 game and I think the physics are terrible. I wouldn't compare them to anything in the GT series.
 
Minnesota01R6
I assumed he meant good "race driver" when he asked this question, so I guess I shouldn't have assumed so much. Just being a good driver will not help you on GT4. You don't need to parrallel park, signal a turn, or avoid roadkill in GT4. The two friends I was talking about are good race drivers, and they, like everyone, still needed to get the feel of the game because no matter how close it comes to reality, you don't get the visual, audio, or seat of your pants sensations that help drivers. Also, I own the F355 game and I think the physics are terrible. I wouldn't compare them to anything in the GT series.
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F355 challenge inferior to the GT series? give me a break, GT4 is the only thing that compares to it, GT1, GT2 and GT3 are just arcade games, there's simply no comparasion, the driving is much more realistic in the ferrari game.
 
Heres a pic I found online.

SaintKamus: As for the physics, They are a lot like toca 2. I haven't ever driven a 355 around a track, so I don't have real life experience, but GT3 sure feels a lot closer to my real-life experience in my WRX STi than TOCA 2. Anyway, we're getting off topic now so let's just agree to disagree.
 
(Just to clarify, I have no clue whether or not you will do better)

Think what you want of this:

"The years of tireless effort were most certainly worth it, too; a test driver with 15 years' experience of the track drove a Nissan Skyline GT-R (R34) on both the real circuit and the GT4 recreation, and achieved lap times (approx. 8mins 15-20secs) with a mere 1 percent variation. The driver also commented that he could use GT4 to experiment with driving techniques that would be too dangerous to try out in real life."

This was found on www.granturismoworld.com in the Features menu in the VIP area
 
If you are a great race driver and you play GT4 for the first time with the DFP you will be very bad at it. you dont get the same feeling with a game as you do in real life, you dont feel the G forces with the game and the sense of speed isnt the same.

If you only play games (like GT4) and you get a chance to do it in real life for the first time you will be very bad at it aswell.
Sitting in your lounge room driving at 200+kph is not even close to how it feels actually doing it.

GT4 will familarise with tracks and racing lines aswell as give you an good idea what performance the cars have got. It will help you understand how the physics on a car works and how brute horsepower is not always the answer.
 
I played the F355 Simulator too much. I´ve won many times, have also a video recorded while geting the first place at suzuka, in manual mode.

I have to admit playing there is quite good for some driving practice. Heel and toeing most of times, braking, cornering, u can get some skills. It´s not the same as real life reckless driving of course, but u can get some skills from there.

If someone wants the video of me playing there, i can send. :D

Here are some pics of me geting the first place in suzuka and Monza circuits, always in manual mode that is the most fun realistic one. i´ve already got the first in Sugo and Long Beach circuit ones too.

THe pics:

Winning at Suzuka...


...and after winning at Suzuka, in the screen to put my name as i´ve set the 3th time of the game, both first and second were mine :D


Now i am playing at Monza, u can see in the top right, that i am in first place. And u can see also the double monitor configuration, it´s 3 monitor but the other was in left of the center one.


Winning at Monza...


...and after winning at Monza, in the screen to put my name as i´ve got one of the top times. This screen appears just if u get the first place.


I used to play this game too much when it was in a mall near here. Not i can just when i got o a mall near downtown, i go to there sometimes and have some fun. Less then 1 dollar to play :D.
 
Some things having where video game driving and real driving differ
1) In real life, you look where you want to go. In the video game, you only can see straight ahead. On the racetrack, in a turn, you are always looking where you want to make the car go..even if that means looking out the side window to see the corner exit.
2) In real life, a lot of the fine control and feedback comes from car vibrations. A video game can't accurately do this. the force feedback isn't find enuf to have the subtle vibrations through the steering wheel. Nevermind that you get a lot of info out of the vibrations coming from the pedals to your feet and also through the seat into your body.
3) In real life, you feel the weight shift and momentum changes with your body. In the video game you kind of have to guess.
 
Civicbus
hahaha yep, the heel/toe and that KICKASS shifter/gate were one of the many reasons I loved that game.

It's always fun watching people hop in thinkin' they're all that and a bag of refried beans then they go sliding off into the netheregion and all you see is that big red brake light on the back light up for a solid minute :lol:
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For sure :D.

I remember when i used to go there and play 20 times in a single day. And so i could stand the first place in the first lap, ya, don´t know if i can do this nowadays, but i used to, so people saw, the newbies, and sayed:

"Oh WTF what he is doing?!?! he got the first and the second lap didn´t even come yet!"

aheeauheuaea :dopey:
 

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