Inside sim racing announces rumor that upgraded premiums will cost money.

[Mike712]

I'd pay upwards of $20 for more NASCAR cars.

Or you could just pay a bit over $20 for Nascar 2011, there is a preview of it in the most recent Inside sim racing, looks like it could be great, really nice damage modeling, 40 cars on track and all the real nascar teams and tracks.

 

[Big Ron]

In relation to what you paid for the game, the 55€ are worth every cent. Because you have (without having the hilarious number of 1000 equal quality cars) 200 premium cars and 800 bonus cars of previous titles and many tracks to drive on.

So the content, even if it isn´t well balanced as in GT4, is much more than most other games out there.

And just because some of you mean, that the game isn´t as good as GT4, it doesn´t mean, that PD have to offer every new content for GT5 for free.

I can only give advice to PD: commit twice as many 3D artists to ensure, that you will not come back into this embarrassing mess next time.

 

[bullie77]

Question: Is DLC existence (free or paid) in the future even confirmed or strongly hinted by reliable sources?

 

[Mike712]

Question: Is DLC existence (free or paid) in the future even confirmed or strongly hinted by reliable sources?

Kaz has said himself, that some standards will be upgraded to premium.

Coming from a man who usually keeps his cards very close to his chest, that's enough confirmation for me.

 

[Khoin]

I wouldn't mind paying cash for some DLC cars... for a standard to premium upgrade I wouldn't pay a lot though... maybe 0,25 to 0,5 euros?

For a new premium car I'd pay a bit more, between 1 and 2 euros possibly (and I would expect not to have to pay in-game credits for it then).

Now, PD, get to work on those Koenigseggs!

 

[shirakawaa]

If upgraded cars will cost money then I will be done with GT5 for the time being as it won't have anything more to offer for me. That would be the final blow after the last batch of seasonal events.

 

[BigYoSpeck]

So when a company spends it's time and resources creating additional content for a game it should not charge the customer?

If they want us to buy GT6 yes. There is a very strong sentiment that they've dropped the ball with GT5. A lot of people during the long wait went to Forza and some are sticking with. It's quite possible we'll see Forza 5 before we see GT6, and We've also Shift 2 claiming to be more sim like, now those game makers know the competition and that it's not the untouchable beast it once was PD's best hope of keeping fans happy and loyal until the next release is to improve things.

 

[Darktuna]

That principal makes me lol, you are aware the whole PD team probably are on £1,000,000 salaries(or more).

This has everything to do with greed and nothing to do with making a living.

I don't get how people just roll over to games companies and accept this sort of thing...seriously

There is no "greed" involved... You sir, are just jelous you don't own a multi million dollar software company. YOU have to make money to stay in business, and keep making games. Ignorance, grow up, learn economics. Like you would give people free services, that other people would charge for... I highly doubt it. you'de be there with your hand held out just like anyone else. So don't be playing the "hey they are a big company they are greedy and want more money from us." Cause that is not the case.

And to the people who say they will quit playing if pd does this, or pd does that, oh hush now. We all know you will keep playing and enjoying the 60$ worth of game you purchased to begin with.

 

[Mike712]

There is no "greed" involved... You sir, are just jelous you don't own a multi million dollar software company. YOU have to make money to stay in business, and keep making games. Ignorance, grow up, learn economics. Like you would give people free services, that other people would charge for... I highly doubt it. you'de be there with your hand held out just like anyone else. So don't be playing the "hey they are a big company they are greedy and want more money from us." Cause that is not the case.

And to the people who say they will quit playing if pd does this, or pd does that, oh hush now. We all know you will keep playing and enjoying the 60$ worth of game you purchased to begin with.

I run a business myself and I undercharge for my services compaired to the competition because I don't feel I need to extort as much money out of clients as possible, my satisfaction comes from helping people, not being stupidly wealthy, software companies make plenty of money, the games industry is greedy as is most big business.

I know enough about economics to know that the greed of big corporations is damaging to society as a whole.

 

[Darktuna]

I run a business myself and I undercharge for my services compaired to the competition because I don't feel I need to extort as much money out of clients as possible, my satisfaction comes from helping people and making them happy, not wealth, software companies make plenty of money, the games industy is huge, and greedy...fact.

Yea, and your still collecting money and charging for services, so your only proving my point, you have to make a profit to survive the economic world. If that means charging for extra content they will. If they don't have to...which i hope.....then that must mean they are turning a profit without having to charge for extra, or upgraded content.

Greed would be, GT5 1031 Standard cars. All Premiums must be purchaced later as dlc. That.. would be greedy.

GT5, 1031 Standard Cars, 3 Tracks. You must download the other tracks. Greed.

People tend to forget that software is the only thing sony profits off of. Consoles they actually loose revenu producing.

 

[THEALB10N]

That principal makes me lol, you are aware the whole PD team probably are on £1,000,000 salaries(or more).

This has everything to do with greed and nothing to do with making a living.

I don't get how people just roll over to games companies and accept this sort of thing...seriously

You do realise the game cost around 60mil USD to make. Over 100 people on 1,000,000 quid salaries annually for 5 years doesn't seem to add up, nor would it be very profitable

 

[Gohon]

GT5 has just shipped 5.5mil copies so its not like PD is lacking money right now, so DLC should be free. Hopefully......

As for GT6 taking another 5 years, I dont think so. Probably just add another 200 premiums and some new tracks and some old tracks not in GT5. Plus i hope they rework the menus so it is easier to navigate around. But stuff they are working on now might end up in GT5 as updates or saved til GT6. The moer updates we have the longer GT6 is going to take.

 

[ItsHim]

If I consider I pay the same 50 € for a great game like Batman, which lasts 20 odd hours and has little replay value, or GT5, which to me has more content and replay value I can shake a stick at, then I say: fair enough, I'd pay for the DLC.

 

[Nielsen]

I have my doubt that they would offer those cars as DLC. New features and content was patched in to GT5 Prologue and the real GT5 have followed that philosophy so far.

 

[dhandeh]

There are enough cars in the game for me, be it standard or premium. I can't see myself buying anymore, but if they are free, then I'm happy with that.

 

[BigYoSpeck]

I don't think you can accuse PD of being greedy. After all we waited 6 years between releases rather than having been playing '05, '06, 07 etc.. and already being told what to expect for GT 2012. They also included everything in one title rather than using the same engine for GT Rally, GT Nascar and so on.

PD like to make art, but if they still want to carry on making art it has to sell otherwise Sony is going to look at the relative success of other franchises and the cost/profit ratio and say to hell with these clowns.

 

[gambleboyen]

A pack of 1 classic supercar, 2 skylines and 2 Mx-5s?

 

[Mike712]

Yea, and your still collecting money and charging for services, so your only proving my point, you have to make a profit to survive the economic world. If that means charging for extra content they will. If they don't have to...which i hope.....then that must mean they are turning a profit without having to charge for extra, or upgraded content.

Greed would be, GT5 1031 Standard cars. All Premiums must be purchaced later as dlc. That.. would be greedy.

GT5, 1031 Standard Cars, 3 Tracks. You must download the other tracks. Greed.

People tend to forget that software is the only thing sony profits off of. Consoles they actually loose revenu producing.

I charge enough to cover my living/running costs which aren't typically extravagant, you don't seem to understand how wealthy the games industry and it's stakeholders are, they don't need to be screwing the average consumer over for every penny they can afford, but they do, that my friend is greed.

 

[Spagetti69]

Surely these standard cars have to be made premium for GT6 anyhow. That's when they will recoup money.

 

[Darktuna]

I charge enough to cover my living/running costs which aren't typically extravagant, you don't seem to understand how wealthy the games industry and it's stakeholders are, they don't need to be screwing the average consumer over for every penny they can afford, but they do, that my friend is greed.

Well. Thats how supply and demand work my friend. Your still just proving my point even further.
Piracy, hackers, and production costs are what you have to thank for your overpriced games, and consoles. And if the gaming industry is sooooooo greedy, why do you even own this game? You seemed to go spend your hard earned money on it. If they are such money grubbing fools, why would u give them your money to begin with.?

 

[petalpusher6]

Personally, I think all possible GT5 DLC will be free.

Kaz was always against the concept of pay-to-have DLC and he objected the whole concept many times. It was the main reason why initial GT:HD project was cancelled back in 2006.

It remains to be seen how much influence he can have over corporate people at SCEE and SCEA.

But for instance all Prologue updates (new cars, new track, new functionality, etc.) was free because he decided to be that way - as developer who is producing the game in his studio, thus deciding about cost-to-revenue aspects of daily-work of his employees.

First business model PD had in mind, was to sell every cars and tracks in DLC like some other pc sims.
It doesn't fit for a console game (well not yet) and Sony surely disagreed but that's what they had in mind at the start.

Creating 1000 premium based on GT5 standard is not even human. Even with x2 x3 the staff it would take a decade. Thoses who are disappointed by getting "only" 200 premiums on the retail game, obviously don't know anything about asset creation in video games. No other game reach that level of modelisation, and those who gets relatively close have very little content. two digits cars at best.

 

[Mike712]

Well. Thats how supply and demand work my friend. Your still just proving my point even further.

I don't see how I'm proving you're point, in fact what is you're point, and why are you bringing supply and demand into this? My point is that software companies make enough money from the game sales alone and don't need to charge for small amounts of DLC but they generally have no qualms about doing so because they are greedy and are only concerned with maximising their own wealth. I don't see how supply and demand factors into that in the slightest, it's not like game content is a rare resource, once software is coded it can be duplicated countless times for esentially no cost, more than covering the minor production costs, it's pure greed, nothing else.

 

[Samus]

New Premium cars I might pay for depending on what they are, standard > premium upgrades not a chance.

 

[amar212]

First business model PD had in mind, was to sell every cars and tracks in DLC like some other pc sims.
It doesn't fit for a console game (well not yet) and Sony surely disagreed but that's what they had in mind at the start.
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From what I remember, it was quite the opposite.

Sony wanted PD to create a new GT game as cluster-platform where players would buy content depending on their personal taste.

Kaz/PD/whatever went against that idea.

In few interviews Kaz discussed whole DLC "philosophy" and he clearly stated that his idea is that every player can enjoy in the same level of content during lifespan of the game.

Later he even went against whole concept of DLC-content by proclaiming that whole content of GT5 will come on the disc, without any DLC. Of course, whole mess-up with the deadlines, finishing the game and actual release of the Gold went differently, but I presume the pressure for both SCEE and SCEA was too big at PD. That is wahy we're getting basically weekly content-updates (in terms od Seasonal Events) and functional updates (1.01, 1.03 and 1.05 being most important) for free.

It is really difficult to say what will future bring regarding GT5 "actual" DLC content (new cars and tracks) but I think that if Kaz is the one who will be asked - he will probably decide to go "free" way.

Also notice that Japanese people are much more influenced by whole concept of "honor" than any Western people. He apologized even before games's release for technical problems, he later even admitted he knows that some design choices went bed and I think he's very aware about shortcomings of the finished product. And just to throw, in his initial "dream", Gran Turismo 5 was meant to be "The GT of Them All". I presume he is actually the one most dissatisfied with the final outcome of the project. I know it is fishing in deep waters, but I wouldn't so easily thrown-out the factor of "honor" from whole DLC context.

Time will tell, ultimately.

 

[R34EVO9]

From what I remember, it was quite the opposite.

Sony wanted PD to create a new GT game as cluster-platform where players would buy content depending on their personal taste.

Kaz/PD/whatever went against that idea.

In few interviews Kaz discussed whole DLC "philosophy" and he clearly stated that his idea is that every player can enjoy in the same level of content during lifespan of the game.

Later he even went against whole concept of DLC-content by proclaiming that whole content of GT5 will come on the disc, without any DLC. Of course, whole mess-up with the deadlines, finishing the game and actual release of the Gold went differently, but I presume the pressure for both SCEE and SCEA was too big at PD. That is wahy we're getting basically weekly content-updates (in terms od Seasonal Events) and functional updates (1.01, 1.03 and 1.05 being most important) for free.

It is really difficult to say what will future bring regarding GT5 "actual" DLC content (new cars and tracks) but I think that if Kaz is the one who will be asked - he will probably decide to go "free" way.

Also notice that Japanese people are much more influenced by whole concept of "honor" than any Western people. He apologized even before games's release for technical problems, he later even admitted he knows that some design choices went bed and I think he's very aware about shortcomings of the finished product. And just to throw, in his initial "dream", Gran Turismo 5 was meant to be "The GT of Them All". I presume he is actually the one most dissatisfied with the final outcome of the project. I know it is fishing in deep waters, but I wouldn't so easily thrown-out the factor of "honor" from whole DLC context.

Time will tell, ultimately.

Yea time will only tell because we cant confirm anything from pd until it happens which is how it seems it is going to always be

 

[alonsof1fan91]

If I consider I pay the same 50 € for a great game like Batman, which lasts 20 odd hours and has little replay value, or GT5, which to me has more content and replay value I can shake a stick at, then I say: fair enough, I'd pay for the DLC.

If I were able to choose between paying 60€ for GT5 or paying about 100€ on ebay for the about 20 hours lasting 5 years old game Shadow of the Collossus, I would definitly buy SotC.

If you want alot of "content" like GT5, then play a MMORPG.
I just want to expierence a great game. If DLC really add something to the game (New race series, tracks, better track editor etc.), then yes... why not paying a little bit of money for it
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[atsinged]

I paid $55.00 for GT5 and I have no complaints, I have certainly gotten my entertainment value out of it with a lot more to come. Free DLC would just be an unexpected bonus.

Assuming they charge for DLC, and I think they have every right, if I saw it as worthwhile in some way, I'd buy it. Upgrading standard to premium cars really wouldn't do it for me though, I enjoy the graphics just fine as is and don't really use cockpit view. I'd pay for more accurate engine sounds, or more tracks. I'd likely pay for more cars if they interested me, pass on them if they did not.

Offering a DLC stable would be cool, something like 10 bucks for a group of same maker cars that are not in game. I'd cheerfully pay to have a collection of Triumphs with the TR series older Spitfires and GT6, or a British mix package of Triumph, MG, Austin, etc.

I'm not sure I'd call the seasonal events "new content", it is existing cars on existing tracks. It adds structure and prizes to something you COULD do just for fun already if you wanted. It's more like a patch for A-spec as I see it, but a very welcome and fun patch, I've enjoyed all of them (restricted ones more, much more).

 

[TakeshiSkunk]

I will pay happily for new tracks without hesitation, new cars with very little hesitation depending on what they are, and premium upgrades entirely depending on if I want to take photos of them

That said I will be much happier if it's free, obviously. I'll honestly be a little surprised if it's not.

 

[ARDA_TIRMAS]

Free or not, I'm expecting new update with new cars, track and features at the end of January

 

[TRC GeorgiaDawg]

Paying to upgrade a standard car to a premium one? Not a chance for me, and as far as I'm concerned, any "upgrades" of existing cars should be free. Completely new models of cars as DLC? Maybe. But only if the rumored leaderboards actually arrive, along with it a classing system that makes all the cars relevant.