Interesting GT3 vs GT5 Facts

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I am working on a race/series guide for GT5 that is based on a GT3 guide that I found over at IGN several years ago. As I pulled out the old GT3 guide, I was amazed by the differences in the number of A-Spec series and races between the 2 games. I know that there has been a lot of comments and posts on how GT5 has so few races in A-Spec. So, I went ahead and actually counted up the number of races and series between the 2 games to just compare. I did not include Rally or Endurance races from either game, nor did I include Special Events from GT5. The results to me were amazing.

GT5 has 5 Leagues (they are actually called series in GT5, but to me a series is a set of races with the same restrictions)
GT5 has 45 Series of races across the 5 Leagues
GT5 has 126 Individuals races within the 45 Series

GT3 has 3 Leagues
GT3 has 65 Series of Races across the 3 Leagues
GT3 has 289 Individual Races within the 65 Series

I didn't even count the laps within the races, but in general the Professional League in GT3 had races with 10-20 laps in most cases. GT5 in the Extreme Series has races with 5-20 laps and really only a couple of series that have more than 5 laps in the races.

So, my conclusion is that those folks complaining about the lack of A-Spec races in GT5 have a legit beef.

GT5 does have it's own set of features and things that GT3 doesn't like Specail Events, Seasonal Events, B-Spec, and probably most importantly on-line racing, but as far as shear volume of single player A Spec races, the number and variety of races in GT3 dwarfs what GT5 has available.
 
And Thats compared with GT3, GT4 must have had LOADS more in than this as well!

I personally liked the manufacturer races, great way of getting you to invest money in more cars (rather than clinging onto every last CR.!) and a nice challenge.
 
pezzarinho17
And Thats compared with GT3, GT4 must have had LOADS more in than this as well!

I personally liked the manufacturer races, great way of getting you to invest money in more cars (rather than clinging onto every last CR.!) and a nice challenge.
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Just did a quick google for the first subject that come up....
THIS, from another board.
""523 races (not including missions)"" These guys were counting races on GT4. :boggled:

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DOH !...beat me.
 
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Nowt wrong with GT5's on-line capability... pretty much any car on any track with you and 15 of your friends... what more did you want?
 
pezzarinho17
I personally liked the manufacturer races, great way of getting you to invest money in more cars (rather than clinging onto every last CR.!) and a nice challenge.
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Isn't this exactly what the Seasonal Events are doing, though?
 
I guess kaz thought the seasonal's will make up for the lack of A-spec races (in which i have to agree :))





DAVE
 
Daverytimes
I guess kaz thought the seasonal's will make up for the lack of A-spec races (in which i have to agree :))





DAVE
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I don't see how, the seasonals aren't even races becuase it's not possible to have a proper race thanks to the stupid AI, so the only way they can make it challenging is by putting you 45 seconds behind for you to play catch up on the slow AI. That ain't racing, that's masking bad AI.
 
Daverytimes
I guess kaz thought the seasonal's will make up for the lack of A-spec races (in which i have to agree :))





DAVE
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Online racing is a great thing with GT5, but in my opinion it doesn't replace the variety and volume of events in A-Spec that were available in GT3 and GT4.

The seasonal events are very much like the One make races, etc. but since they go away and change every couple of weeks it leaves me with a bit of an empty feeling. Once they are gone, you can't back and race them again. I always liked the fact that you could go back and race certain events and see how you did as driving skills, tuning, and an understanding of different cars handling chnaged with experience. You can't do that with the seasonal events because they are gone.

None of these comments from me are intended to be complaints about GT5. I like the fact that each game is different, has new and slightly different features, and that they haven't just charged me $60 to get a new set of cars and some diferent tracks with each new game.
 
The problem here is that they had several years.. to really do one thing... give us Online play.. and it's obvious online play is a fail right now.
The online UI is garbage.
Worst online user interface I have seen since Blizzards original Battle.net

Ty for posting the comparison in A-Spec.
 
mcsimfan
So, my conclusion is that those folks complaining about the lack of A-Spec races in GT5 have a legit beef.
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If you disregard the seasonal events of GT5, which I believe you can't. Not having internet access isn't a valid argument, because it only affects a very small number of players.

As PD seems to be willing to add 5 new races (plus LB and drifting stuff) on a regular basis, you should state GT5: x races and counting.
 
Yes gt5 lacks in races hopefully they get some dlc in which they add more a-spec races or at least bring back the restrictions for the seasonals, that at least made up for the horrible ai system implemented into the game.
 
DanDiplo
Isn't this exactly what the Seasonal Events are doing, though?
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Yep, why I like it unrestricted, feels more like manufacturer races (though AI vary), whereas before it was more like the GT4 missions... Don't mind gameplay either way, but given choice, I like having the control over the difficulty (I just change the tyres 1 grade better if at all, customised to my ability more).
 
ItsHim
If you disregard the seasonal events of GT5, which I believe you can't. Not having internet access isn't a valid argument, because it only affects a very small number of players.

As PD seems to be willing to add 5 new races (plus LB and drifting stuff) on a regular basis, you should state GT5: x races and counting.
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There are only 10 seasonal races (not counting drifts and TTs) at any one time. So add 10 to list. I wouldn't just keep imcrementing the counter becuase they aren't always there, they go away.
 
Not sure what people's problem is with the on-line capability.

I've been in rooms with 15 other GTP members racing JGTC 500's on pretty much all the tracks over several hours with no lag and no forced drop outs... nothing wrong with that.
 
ItsHim
If you disregard the seasonal events of GT5, which I believe you can't. Not having internet access isn't a valid argument, because it only affects a very small number of players.

As PD seems to be willing to add 5 new races (plus LB and drifting stuff) on a regular basis, you should state GT5: x races and counting.
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Only as above, they're not races.
 
ItsHim
If you disregard the seasonal events of GT5, which I believe you can't. Not having internet access isn't a valid argument, because it only affects a very small number of players.

As PD seems to be willing to add 5 new races (plus LB and drifting stuff) on a regular basis, you should state GT5: x races and counting.
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pezzarinho17
Yep, why I like it unrestricted, feels more like manufacturer races (though AI vary), whereas before it was more like the GT4 missions... Don't mind gameplay either way, but given choice, I like having the control over the difficulty (I just change the tyres 1 grade better if at all, customised to my ability more).
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Unrestricted races are not races. If it says there are no tuning or tyre restrictions in this race you should expect all your competitors to enter with the very best equipment they have, fully tuned, racing softs etc...

There isn't a real racing event in the world (to my knowledge) that has no restrictions at all.

Seasonal events are not races - there is no circuit racing in the world to my knowledge where they stagger the start so that the last place car starts 30 - 45s behind first place. Who in their right mind would enter such a race?

It's all very well saying you can de-tune to make it a challenge. I would like to ask how many de-tune enthusiasts take more than say 5 attempts to beat the event stock?

There are people writing all over the forums things like
"I tried it stock and then just give it a slight tune & I won"

The trouble is, without the restrictions you have no benchmark to know if you could have improved your conservation of momentum, braking, brake points, turn in points etc.. a lot more. Just add an air filter & suddenly you've beaten it?

You may as well just tune it up full from the start because you are deluding yourself if you think you alone can accurately judge just how much you could have improved without tuning or what your current skill level is.

Of course I am generalising and there are always exceptions to the rule, but anyone who has tried to get more than a bronze in the license tests will know that what I say is true, sometimes your driving feels great, it is only when there are restrictions that you realise there's a corner where you could gain .5 second if you approached it differently.

Racing is not racing without restrictions, catch the pigeon is not racing.

I am just amazed at how many racing enthusiats there are on the board who can't see this?
 
Stotty
Not sure what people's problem is with the on-line capability.

I've been in rooms with 15 other GTP members racing JGTC 500's on pretty much all the tracks over several hours with no lag and no forced drop outs... nothing wrong with that.
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My beef with on line is finding good races. I am not great driver, but I do race clean. It is hard for me to find races that I enjoy. I seem to either get in with a bunch of guys that I can't keep up with (no fun getting your head bashed in) or a bunch of idiots just out to crash you. It also seems hard to find races with similar level cars.

For on-line racing I sort of liked the way things were set up with GT5P where the races had a limit to what you could race with in the various rooms. Seems like they went to complete opposite extreme where now there is no order among the chaos.
 
The route to on-line joy...

Run the current GTPlanet WRS qualifier

Get a GTP tag

Make friends with other like mined people on GTP and get them on your friends list

Race with these people on-line not random punters


Alternatively, go to the on-line racing section here at GTP and look for a race series that takes your fancy... post in the thread of the race that you'd like to join in... likely someone will say 'of course' and then you just need to get on someone's friends list that runs that series regularly.

If you use this community for more than just posting on the forums you'll make some great friends and these people will become your regular on-line racing buddies... My friends list is full (litterally) of GTP, GTRP, KOR, GTNDC, TEW and some other individuals I've met over the past 3 years racing Prologue on-line.

Now, if I want to race, I just go to 'community' and scroll through my friends list until I find someone who has a lounge open racing something I fancy... then I join the lounge and join the races.

All it takes is a bit of effort.. and the WRS series is a great way to 1. find out how fast you are relative to other members and 2. make friends with like minded racers
 
I think you're being very harsh.

I played every GT up to an including 3 but missed 4. Not one of those previous games has captivated my attention like GT5 has done these last few weeks.

And after having put 60+ hours in ( which I accept is less than many of you ) I've only just finished the beginner series, my first license and the seasonals. The amount of content is mind-boggling.

The rest of those 60 hours has been spent with three very good friends. This makes the difference! Their might be only so many races but I can choose any track I want, I can limit the cars how I want, and we have infinite possibilities that the previous games didn't. Nascar round London wasn't too bad but the Prius around the Nurburgring might not have been my best idea. ( Still, we were pi$$ing ourselves laughing for 15 minutes )

We're getting 5 new races per week and I totally disagree with you that they aren't races. We still don't know where we're going with DLC and whether or not it will cost ( Please don't post rumours - we don't know any facts yet )

Make some friends, join the community and speak to people here in similar situations to your own and agree to meet up and race. You can't bad-mouth the online proportion of the game because it's hard to find good rooms any more than you can badmouth the pictures or nightclubs because you've got nobody to go with.
 
GT3 had lots of laps per race during Professional League for sure, but I was bored during lots of them, personally.

On your second point (the actual number of races in GT3 and GT5) I have no comment. You've definitely proved your point, OP.
 
Stotty
The route to on-line joy...

Run the current GTPlanet WRS qualifier

Get a GTP tag
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Isn't this on hold for right now? I didn't have a GTP tag for previous games. So, it looks like from the recent forum posts that they are re-qualifying existing IDs until around the end of Jan.

The other thing I don't quite understand is using the GTP tag on my PSN. Won't I lose all of my progress in game since my ID isn't a GTP_xxx now?

I find parts of the whole registry and qualifiaction process a bit confusing. Like why are times such a secret? How will have any idea how good or bad I am with no time to compare too?
 
mcsimfan
Isn't this on hold for right now? I didn't have a GTP tag for previous games. So, it looks like from the recent forum posts that they are re-qualifying existing IDs until around the end of Jan.

The other thing I don't quite understand is using the GTP tag on my PSN. Won't I lose all of my progress in game since my ID isn't a GTP_xxx now?

I find parts of the whole registry and qualifiaction process a bit confusing. Like why are times such a secret? How will have any idea how good or bad I am with no time to compare too?
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The qualifier is running for everyone... existing GTP members and new GTP members... details here... https://www.gtplanet.net/gtplanet-wrs-qualifier-now-open-for-gt5/

Yes, you need to create a new PSN account, and yes, you'll need to do a little work on that new account to level it up and unlock a few tracks. But that's relatively easy using the seasonal events.

Once you've done this you can easily gift cars across to your GTP account.

Times are a secret as it's important that all competitors are treated equally and do not gain unfair advantage by having a target time.

Ultimately it doesn't matter how fast you are as long as you're in a division you can compete in... when/if you then improve your pace (and lots of GTP people have improved massively through the WRS) you can get promoted to a higher division.

But what I will say is that in my experience, based on the past 3 years of being a member here, if you put the effort in to making new friends and getting involved in the WRS/on-line racing crowd you will get a massive pay back in the quality of racing and people you'll mix with in GT5.
 
Just today I have taken a brand new account from L0 to L22 and still have 3 of the current 10 seasonal events to complete.

The main thing to do is to gift one of the race 5 cars - ie BR4 HRS (japan GT car) or BR3 Rome (Citroen rally car) and do that first. That will get the account up to L17 with 1.5m cr instantly, you can then do the rest no problem. Only takes a couple of hours
 
mr_serious
Just today I have taken a brand new account from L0 to L22 and still have 3 of the current 10 seasonal events to complete.

The main thing to do is to gift one of the race 5 cars - ie BR4 HRS (japan GT car) or BR3 Rome (Citroen rally car) and do that first. That will get the account up to L17 with 1.5m cr instantly, you can then do the rest no problem. Only takes a couple of hours
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