Interesting GT3 vs GT5 Facts

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Stotty
The qualifier is running for everyone... existing GTP members and new GTP members... details here... https://www.gtplanet.net/gtplanet-wrs-qualifier-now-open-for-gt5/

Yes, you need to create a new PSN account, and yes, you'll need to do a little work on that new account to level it up and unlock a few tracks. But that's relatively easy using the seasonal events.

Once you've done this you can easily gift cars across to your GTP account.

Times are a secret as it's important that all competitors are treated equally and do not gain unfair advantage by having a target time.

Ultimately it doesn't matter how fast you are as long as you're in a division you can compete in... when/if you then improve your pace (and lots of GTP people have improved massively through the WRS) you can get promoted to a higher division.

But what I will say is that in my experience, based on the past 3 years of being a member here, if you put the effort in to making new friends and getting involved in the WRS/on-line racing crowd you will get a massive pay back in the quality of racing and people you'll mix with in GT5.
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Thanks for the info. I'll give this a try and hoefully as you say will be doing some good online racing in no time.
 
Although I like the Seasonal events it is not the same as having lots of permanent events like GT4 had. There is no way you can replay the same game 6 months later because the seasonal events will not be the same (and in fact may even be completely missing if PD stops adding them).

I can't tell you how many times I started new games in GT4. I doubt I'll be doing that as much in GT5.
 
Gt5 needs more a spec events without question. Seasonal events are really nothing more than credit and xp generators. They are not races they are overtaking clinics. Online is hit or miss at best. I have yet to run across a decent room with actual mature people in it. I'm sure they exist but the overwhelming majority is not worth my time. A spec events are more useful than online or seasonal because they do not rely on an Internet connection, so if my internet isn't acting right, which happens from time to time, I have a much broader selection at my disposal.
 
maxpontiac
You make a good point, especially since there have already been 20 more races added in around a month.👍
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Yea but how about 20 forgettable races that go away after a couple weeks or an update with more a spec races that allow you to use more than one car and are of such quality you want to keep racing them and perpetually gain xp and credits from them.
 
Hmm, very interesting!

I didn't think GT3 would have more events, I think they should make the one make races official, that would give us like 900 odd new events!
 
jeepster2982
Yea but how about 20 forgettable races that go away after a couple weeks or an update with more a spec races that allow you to use more than one car and are of such quality you want to keep racing them and perpetually gain xp and credits from them.
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I understand where you are coming from, but my point (as well as the poster I quoted) is that the game has offered more races. These in turn gave the player more money and experience points.

How is that a bad thing?

I am not saying that there shouldn't be any more A-Spec races. All I am saying is that we don't know what's on the horizon in the form of updates and or DLC.
 
Stotty
Nowt wrong with GT5's on-line capability... pretty much any car on any track with you and 15 of your friends... what more did you want?
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It's fine if you make plans with your friends to all join up and race. But when you don't want to organize all that, and just want to do some racing with other humans the matchmaking is pathetic.

You should be able to sort things in the search results for HP/Weight limits/types of races/aids etc...but you can't.

Instead you just have to poke around and browse manually hoping to find a race you want to get in. I don't always want to do race cars. Sometimes I just want to take a stock Integra Type-R out there...but you can't cuz you'll get stomped.
 
I'm not saying seasonal events are a bad thing, just that more a spec would be a more robust addition. You could still have seasonal stuff as well.
 
Online league racing FTW!

Over at the Tuner's Pit, after over two years of steady league racing with prologue, we're getting 40-45 drivers out three times a week with GT5. Online racing is all I've ever wanted since I bought that stupid network adapter for my PS2.

The online interface isn't perfect, but it's certainly not overly restrictive. So long as you put a little effort in to pre-planning you can really have some great online racing.

Really, I see the single player as GT5 boot camp, and a way to earn cars and credits. I could have done without it.
 
Forgetful
The online interface isn't perfect, but it's certainly not overly restrictive. So long as you put a little effort in to pre-planning you can really have some great online racing.

Really, I see the single player as GT5 boot camp, and a way to earn cars and credits. I could have done without it.
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Fully agree 👍

A spec is just a way to get cars and credits... on-line, racing real people not the AI is where the fun is at.
 
mr_serious
Unrestricted races are not races. If it says there are no tuning or tyre restrictions in this race you should expect all your competitors to enter with the very best equipment they have, fully tuned, racing softs etc...

There isn't a real racing event in the world (to my knowledge) that has no restrictions at all.

Seasonal events are not races - there is no circuit racing in the world to my knowledge where they stagger the start so that the last place car starts 30 - 45s behind first place. Who in their right mind would enter such a race?

It's all very well saying you can de-tune to make it a challenge. I would like to ask how many de-tune enthusiasts take more than say 5 attempts to beat the event stock?

There are people writing all over the forums things like
"I tried it stock and then just give it a slight tune & I won"

The trouble is, without the restrictions you have no benchmark to know if you could have improved your conservation of momentum, braking, brake points, turn in points etc.. a lot more. Just add an air filter & suddenly you've beaten it?

You may as well just tune it up full from the start because you are deluding yourself if you think you alone can accurately judge just how much you could have improved without tuning or what your current skill level is.

Of course I am generalising and there are always exceptions to the rule, but anyone who has tried to get more than a bronze in the license tests will know that what I say is true, sometimes your driving feels great, it is only when there are restrictions that you realise there's a corner where you could gain .5 second if you approached it differently.

Racing is not racing without restrictions, catch the pigeon is not racing.

I am just amazed at how many racing enthusiats there are on the board who can't see this?
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If you want to judge your skill level then do the time trials or race against other (clean) racers online. Using a race against AI as a basis for how well you're doing is a bit of a joke to me. Where is the "challenge" everyone is so yearning for if you are just racing the same mindless robots over and over? AI is too predictable, you're not accurately judging your skill as a driver with them. All it takes is understanding and taking advantage of their patterns. Actually I think it is a hindrance on a players driving ability as the AI uses improper techniques such as braking waaaaay too early and continually pushing against your vehicle if you happen to be in their line instead of adjusting...There's no skill involved with offline/AI
 
mcsimfan
I didn't realize GT4 had that many. I guess it sort of gets hidden in the One make races, perhaps. Did that number include Rally and Endurance?
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Not sure if it's been answered yet, but yes it included Special Conditions/Rally races. Only 'Driving Missions' weren't taken into account. GT4 also had 33 championships (included in the game % completion), some of which were really quite long and required saving at one point or another (thankfully, that was a possibility!). Each race netted a percentage of a miniscule 0.169%, as did each Championship win, towards the full 100%.

I remember checking my profile on GT5 after only a few days and being surprised to find I was already at about 20% complete.

I'm not at GT5 at the minute so can't find out how many championships there are, but I'm guessing it's well short of 33, and only one of them is even moderately long (FGT Championship).

It's depressing.
 
GT3 has the Race of the Red Emblem.
 
SimonK
I don't see how, the seasonals aren't even races becuase it's not possible to have a proper race thanks to the stupid AI, so the only way they can make it challenging is by putting you 45 seconds behind for you to play catch up on the slow AI. That ain't racing, that's masking bad AI.
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Precisely 👍

There is nothing special in GT5! You ain´t win an special or great car (forget the X1)... The GT(4) flair has gone... In the extreme series, I thought I would win an nice DTM car after finishing the german cars race with gold... And we get such stupid price cars... There are no hidden cars (so far)... There are no cars in the dealership wich you can´t buy but only win (again, forget the x1)... You remember that cars in GT4 wich you never could buy but only win if you finish some races with gold?

Also the seasonal events brings only money... There is no reward to finish some hard races (like the races in week 1 and 2)
 
Stotty
GT3 had no on-line capability...
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Online is spotty. The net code is pretty crappy, and it give piss for XP/Cash.

Other than that: Most of the cars are straight copied from gt4, BADLY PIXELATED. And a lot of the tracks are finished really poorly, like rectangular tires in place you are 100% likely to see up close.

I really wonder what they were doing for 5+ years.
 
I dont see what the problem is with the seasonal events being unrestricted. If you want to race them as stock-then go ahead, and if you don't, then you can upgrade. Not everyone is an obsessed racing game player, some people believe it or not play other games too-so if there is help out there to help them win why not use it. Bottom line is no-one is forcing you to use any upgrades, so if you have a problem with it just don't use them
 
The constant back and forth about the challenge of the seasonal events really makes me laugh. It constantly astounds me how close minded some people continue to be about them, you think I would have learned by now.

It simply comes down to this:
"Insert your name here", you are not the only person playing this game.

This game must be playable by as many people as possible, that way the highest number of people can get the most amount of enjoyment out of it. That means it will be too hard for some, and not hard enough for others, but most should find it about right. The restriction-less seasonal events are on average rather difficult (for the average person) with a stock vehicle, which means the challenge is there if you want it. For the people who don't currently possess the necessary skills they can still complete the series if they see fit.

It has the potential to please everybody, is it a perfect system? No. Are their better alternatives? Yes. But atm that isn't what we have, make due and consider stopping the bickering back and forth about it. If you want things changed your time will be much better spent by sending an e-mail to PD or voiceing your opinion on Kaz's Twitter feed.

Try enjoying what you have, might actually be happy that way ;)

Let the inevitable influx of "ITS MY RIGHT TO COMPLAIN" comments begin.

Good Day.
 
ItsHim
Not having internet access isn't a valid argument, because it only affects a very small number of players.
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Actually, just over half of the households in the US have access to high speed broadband internet. So that's close to 50% of people (like me) for which the seasonal events mean absolutely nothing but a worthless icon on the home page.
Just saying.
 
The seasonal events are just 10 races, 4 TTs and couple more drifting "events". Every now and then (It hasn't been weekly) we get 5 races, 2 TTs and couple drifting events deleted and replaced with new ones. At any given time you only have about 20 seasonal events.

In other words the seasonal events are nice but apart from money and exp they are nothing special. Apart from the few challenging ones they are totally forgettable events. And most importantly there are so few of them. Their effect is like a tear in the bucket. Literally.

You can also argue how good those events are when all they do is to highlight how slow and stupid the ai is, how much of a grind it is to earn money and exp in gt5 and how unimaginative and simple the seasonal evetns themselves are..

Gt5 is an extremely short game and has about 0 replay value. Comparing the content amount to gt3 or gt4 highlights this issue of too little content like a burning wreck of skyline in the middle of the flugplatz during the darkest hours of the night.
 
After GT5 came out and I realized about the low amount of A-spec events/races/laps, I did a few calculations. In my calculations I excluded special events and endurances for all three games, as they are harder to compare as the games differ in their approaches to special events and I can't compare time-based enduros with number of lap races.

GT3 has 65 events
Including 25 championships
297 Races
2324 laps
7.8 laps/race

GT4 has 95 events
including 33 championships
443 races
2840 laps
6.4 laps/race

GT5 has 45 events
including 10 championships
118 races
585 laps
5.0 laps/race

If you compare only the highest level races in each (GT3 Pro, GT4 Extreme, GT5 extreme) you get this in terms of lappage:
GT3 has 22 events, 110 races, 1673 laps, making 15.2 laps/race
GT4 has 7 events, 59 races, 1318 laps (1038 of these being FGT), making 22.3 laps/race
GT5 has 9 events, 31 races, 271 laps, making 8.7 laps/race
 
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brycepunk
Actually, just over half of the households in the US have access to high speed broadband internet. So that's close to 50% of people (like me) for which the seasonal events mean absolutely nothing but a worthless icon on the home page.
Just saying.
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you just made that up.

a 15 second google search says that 35% of Americans don't have broadband internet access.
in urban areas, only 1.1% said it was because there was no service available. in rural areas, 11.1%... according to the National Telecommunications and Information Agency.

source
pie charts
 
Stotty
GT3 had no on-line capability...
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Yet some of us played it for 5 years. Even after GT4 was released many kept playing it. Having 100's of races will do that for a title.
 
RC45
Yet some of us played it for 5 years. Even after GT4 was released many kept playing it. Having 100's of races will do that for a title.
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so how long do you figure a gran turismo game with infinite races will last?
weekly rotation of 5 races in Seasonal + online = more racing than you can shake a stick at.
 

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