Inverse Drifting?

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Originally posted by XzifT
Thats what I was thinking, I suppose I could work on it tonight. I saw it in Initial D and decided it might be fun to try.
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Well, there's your problem right there.

Do you know anything about the laws of physics? If you think about it for 2 seconds, you'll understand that you need something to overcome the centrifugal force that wants to keep the car going straight off the outside of the turn. In a regular turn, that is the force generated by the front wheels constantly bringing the nose to the inside. In an oversteer turn, that is the acceleration of the rear wheels pushing the car inside due to its angle of attack.

But in either case, it should be obvious that something needs to keep the forward part of the car moving towards the inside of the turn.

Question: what then happens when you point the nose of the car to the outside of the turn? Let me put it another way: what would happen when you're riding your bike and you pointed the handlebars towards the outside of the turn?

Think about it and get back to us. Remember, the real world is not Initial D. The sooner you learn that, the better for all of us. Sheesh.
 
well neon... if you pruposefully oversteer in the first turn and accelerate so that the rear wheels slide so that they are leading the vehicle, and you approach the second turn it in such a way that the car will basically skid ass first through it... i guess you have completed an inverse drift. However, i cannot think of a reason y a skilled driver would ever have to use this skillfull sliding. Seems like regaining control after you have cleared the corner would be near impossible.

I guess you cant really consider it any form of drifting because you loose "control" of the car as soon as the rear in leading the vehicle. you basically have to pray that you entry was fine for exiting the turn, and that you can swing it around somehow... your not really turning anymore... just sliding backwards at some angle
 
Originally posted by bengee
However, i cannot think of a reason y a skilled driver would ever have to use this skillfull sliding. Seems like regaining control after you have cleared the corner would be near impossible.
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PRETTY MUCH! LOL! :lol: :p
 
Originally posted by bengee
well neon... if you pruposefully oversteer in the first turn and accelerate so that the rear wheels slide so that they are leading the vehicle, and you approach the second turn it in such a way that the car will basically skid ass first through it... i guess you have completed an inverse drift.
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If the nose of the car is pointed to the outside of the turn, I guarantee you are going off the outside of the turn under any circumstances, unless you shift into reverse and try to use the rear wheels to haul the car into the turn by spinning them against the forward momentum of the car. You need to generate force towards the inside of the turn if you expect the car to travel in that direction.

It may be "just an idea" but it's one that you should have been able to dismiss all by yourself if you had actually thought about it for a moment.
 
OK, AIM and PMs are for slowchatting. If this topic is dead, let it die. If it's not, let's get it back on track. Thanks.
 
Neon, I understand what you are trying to say. However i am not trying to say that you can "turn" or "drift" the car while its rear is leading it. Just listen for a bit...

Let us imagine that there is an s turn setup in such away that what i will propose is doable. You drift the first turn too fast, so that about 3/4ths of the way through the first turn your back end begins to lead you. In this situation if you continue to give the car gas... the rear wheels will lead the car and you will skid backwards out of the original turning radius you chose for your first turn. If done "properly" you can do it so that you exit the second turn butt first. That is the only way that i can rationalize it.

Basically you are using the momentum of the car in a certain direction to overcome the fact that the car is pointing in the wrong direction. If the momentum is great enough backward movement is possible whether or not the car is attempting to accelerate forward. Remember that velocity and acceleration can be in opposite directions and all. You also have to remember that several forces are acting on the wheels with power... not just the forward motion given via the engine, but also friction forces that result from sliding or keeping hte wheel in a no slip condition. In this case the friction forces due to the sliding car would dominate the max friction available to each wheel. This allows reverse movement.

All one would do in this situaltion would be to find the right s corner...
Apraoch the corner too fast...
slam on the gas at the right time to send the rear fishtailing...
hope that the car will pass through the second corner without incident.

The hardest part would be finding a good s turn.

If you disagree neon please comment
 
Inverse drift hmm interesting subject but i think it can be done only im special circumstances. think high bank turn, i mean a really high bank where you can use gravity to drag your car down as you point the nose of the car upward out of the turn then use the gas to keep the car in an inverse drift motion. i dont know weird idea but somehow this is the only way i see this working.
 
The only possible way you could do it is under an artificial condition like FireFox just pointed out. There you have gravity pulling the car towards the inside of the turn, which is supplying the force I said you need above. In effect you are using the force generated by the drive wheels to overcome the force provided by gravity.

HOWEVER, I don't think the car could be held stable that way no matter how good a driver you are. If the banking is steep enough for gravity to pull the rear of the car down against the centrifugal force keeping it on the bank, then that same downward pull is acting on the front wheels as well, and the car would simply fall into the infield. With a AWD car you might possible get it to claw the front end along hard enough to keep the nose up, but a RWD car is simply going to rotate until the nose points down.

Bengee, unfortunately your method still doesn't work.

1) When a car spins from oversteer, it tends to run off the inside at the exit of the turn in question . This would put you well off the outside of the following, opposite turn.

2) No matter which way the car is moving - forward or backward - if the nose of the car is pointed towards the outside of the turn, the force generated by the drive wheels (in a forward gear) is going to be in the direction of the outside of the turn. You would have to shift into reverse and try to back the car through the second turn after you had swapped ends in the first turn. That's specifically what the original question was saying didn't happen.
 
thats one of the only ways i can see it working but yah i guess your right, i guess well just have to wait for cars that hover and have some sort of retro rocket booster on all sides to point the car witchever way posibble while making it go in the direction we want.
 
Heheheheh. I'm not arguing, just playing physics professor.
 
Were we strictly talking about doing it in GT3? Didn't think so.

Mmmmkay thanks bye have a nice life.
 

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