iPhone 5

[sesselpupser]

Do you really think Apple controls what Sony, Logitech, car companies, or whoever else makes their products for?

They do! https://developer.apple.com/programs/mfi/

 

[Zenith]

http://gizmodo.com/5945889/some-third+party-adapters-might-not-work-with-your-new-iphone

I wonder if we're going to see any antitrust lawsuits anytime soon.

 

[shmogt]

I don't care what fancy stuff they out in their cables I promise you another company will quickly figure it out and start selling cheap cables. It's impossible to stop that. Cheap adapters are even better. You will be able to buy the old cables for like a dollar and than a $5 adapter. I give it two months.

 

[Danoff]

Turn by Turn - Yes.

Finally! Welcome to the normal real world. 👍 It has been years.

Wifi - the phone won't connect to anything unless told to.

Not what I'm talking about.

Silent when face-down - no, but the phone has a physical mute switch that takes 1/10th of a second to click.

Missing the point. You can program your android to do anything. The going silent when face down is an example of a large array of capabilities.

Contents of a directory on a cloud drive - no but there's dropbox access and apps that use their own cloud services. And iCloud syncs all the default apps. When I got my new phone, I typed my login into it as I was leaving the store, and all my texts, docs, calendars, emails, contacts, and everything else were already in my phone by the time I got to the car.

Also missing the point. The directory cloud drive thing is an example of a wide array of capabilities that you have with your android that you don't have with iphone. What you can program your android phone to do with tasker is literally limited by your imagination.

Tether - been able to do that for two years now.

Ah, good. A little late, but glad iphone got with the program.

Latitude - yes

Unless something has changed that I'm unaware of, this is deceptive. Last time I checked the only way you could do latitude on an iphone was by dedicating your phone to it. The real benefit of latitude is that it runs in the background at all times.

Widgets - not unless jailbroken.

Seems huge. Also jailbroken features don't count, otherwise all phones have all possible features of say... the linux operating system.

Wireless sync - yes. It'll do it when you plug it into the charger.

Defeats the point.

As for things not available on Android that are critical for me - the Adobe Nav series of apps that interact with Photoshop are amazing.

For ipad? I thought we were talking smartphones. Or do you do this one your iphone as well.

Photosmith is an extremely useful program that allows me to sort and upload photos in the field without having to carry a laptop.

Android can do that.

I also have access to a huge array of hardware accessories that don't exist or are severely limited in availability on Android.

Like what?

Sorry the Infiniti has an iPod-dedicated connector. Don't forget, though, that if it's a 2008, that means it was built before the first Android phone came out, which means it was conceived in a world in which the iPod had effectively zero competition among the market sector that would be buying a brand new
Infiniti, and as I understand it,

Apple did not invent the mp3 player. MP3 players were around for god knows how long and there were a bazillion of them in competition with ipod.

Do you really think Apple controls what Sony, Logitech, car companies, or whoever else makes their products for? Companies make accessories that will sell. iPhones are premium phones that are popular with affluent people who are likely to buy nice cars and expensive accessories.

I know, people who buy over priced electronics buy high priced cars. Trust me I know... I blame you all.

The vast majority of Android phones on the market are free or cheap phones owned by people who don't even buy apps, much less hardware, and the high-end phones change every three months, so it's not economical to make accessories when they'll be obsolete by the time they hit the store.

What the hell are you talking about? The fact that the best phone in existence is always an android phone means iphone is better? Yes, in 3 months your phone is obsolete. Android is the only way to have a phone that isn't obsolete for even 3 months! iphone is obsolete before it hits shelves.

Not that I have to have the bleeding edge. My phone is ancient at this point, but I'd still take it over an iphone any day. My wife and I have HTC G2s, obsolete for a long time (and yes, I bought nice apps for them). My wife was recently given an iphone 4s for work. It sits in a box because it doesn't do the things her ancient G2 does.

 

[Joey D]

My phone arrived this morning, I think that's the fastest anything I've ever ordered has shipped from China. I'm sort of impressed with UPS on that one.

So far I really like it, the size doesn't annoy me as much as I thought it would but I still say it's too big. I do like that it's lighter and thinner than previous models though. Other than that it works more or less how I thought it would, same great usability the 4 had with some nifty new features and 4G (and I think LTE for AT&T was turned on in Detroit last week too).

Now I just wish the developer would get around to making their apps form to the new screen, but that's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Moglet]

iPhones are premium phones that are popular with affluent people who are likely to buy nice cars and expensive accessories.

Not in the UK they're not, quite the opposite in fact. Every scummy sod round here has the latest iPhone (as well as the business users). A lot of the people I used to go to school with have shedloads of kids by different dads, are living off benefits and are struggling to live in a ****** run down council flat. But they've all got Sky TV and the latest iPhone because "Dey is da latest ent day?" The only person I know who uses his 4S to the extent that it makes sense is my brother and that's because he has a MacBook and his partner also has a lot of Apple equipment.

it's not economical to make accessories when they'll be obsolete by the time they hit the store.

Actually, most Android phone accessories work with every phone that comes out because they use the same mini USB connector. 👍

 

[nick09]

iPhones are premium phones that are popular with affluent people who are likely to buy nice cars and expensive accessories.

No. There is only 3 teachers from my college who uses a iphone 4. And they don't drive the nicest cars to drive. One drives a Prius, another drives a older Toyota SUV, and the third I don't know(never knew what car he drove). They are not exactly a "nice car" and don't come with "expensive accessories". I can tell you that people have expensive electronics even though they could of used a cheaper option that would of worked. For example, my mother went out and got a HTC EVO 3D a year and a half ago, that cost $200 + $36 upgrade fee + $10(monthly to use a smartphone on the network) and + $8(Policy to replace the phone if it gets damaged in any way). She could've gotten a free Andriod phone that would do everything that she needs with the upgrade but she got bought by the advertising. People have the nature to want the "best thing" that they think it is.

 

[Zenith]

iPhones are premium phones that are popular with affluent people who are likely to buy nice cars and expensive accessories. They're easy to make accessories for because there's only one new phone and one major OS update a year. The vast majority of Android phones on the market are free or cheap phones owned by people who don't even buy apps, much less hardware, and the high-end phones change every three months, so it's not economical to make accessories when they'll be obsolete by the time they hit the store.

I guess you can't OD on Koolaid after all...

If you want to delude yourself with lifestyle propaganda, go right ahead, but don't try to bring it into a conversation as if it's fact. You want to talk about strong hardware? Apple isn't the side to defend with the whole 100% upmark for inferior hardware on almost every single one of their products.

I'd rather have a phone that I use as a tool, not a fashion accessory.

 

[Joey D]

I use my phone as a tool and the iPhone is plenty capable. The way you guys talk you make it sound like the phone is useless. Ya it isn't the best phone on the market, but it is a good device that can hold its own.

 

[Zenith]

I use my phone as a tool and the iPhone is plenty capable. The way you guys talk you make it sound like the phone is useless. Ya it isn't the best phone on the market, but it is a good device that can hold its own.

Never said the iPhone was incapable of this, I use it as a tool myself. I'm pointing out an area of Takumi Fujiwara's post which I find telling of his attitude towards the iPhone and phones in general.

 

[Takumi Fujiwara]

Wow you guys are calling ME delusional? Maybe you should look at what you all quoted again. I never said the iPhone was great. I said that people who buy iPhones buy accessories. People who buy Android phones tend not to. All you have to do is walk into Best Buy and look at what's on the shelf to see that that's true.

People who get a free Android phone on a contract and never download an app are not likely to buy an expensive case or dock for their phone. People who buy a Galaxy S3 or Note II or another high-end Android phone probably would, but a new top Android model comes out every few months, so there are never enough of one specific model of Android phone sold to make producing accessories economical.

You know what I get out of an iPhone? A reliable product with really nice build quality, decent performance, a ton of app and accessory support, a size that fits in my pocket without trouble, and which I can sell or trade in in two years for almost as much money as I paid for it brand new. (Or more if I want to deal with Craigslist.)

I'd like to know how exactly the iPhone is so "overpriced" when it costs the same as an equivalent Android phone and matches or beats it in benchmarks. It's no secret that their computers are overpriced for what you get, but so are Porsches and BMWs.

I'd rather have a phone that I use as a tool, not a fashion accessory.

So would I. That's why I use a phone that doesn't require a bunch of tweaking and fiddling.

Actually, most Android phone accessories work with every phone that comes out because they use the same mini USB connector. 👍

The physical size and shape of the phone changes, though. Accessories also often require a sort of mini-app to install itself on the phone and that means you're screwed if a new version of Android comes out after you've bought your accessory and it makes the accessory stop working.

 

[shmogt]

Guys the Iphone 5 is looking good for durability. A actual man was hit by one of these from a mile away and was physically cut in half before. The iPhone however only has a "small" hole.

 

[Takumi Fujiwara]

By the way guys - the funny thing here is that I never even said I had a problem with Android. If you go back a few pages, you'll see that I was talking a few weeks ago about buying a Galaxy Note II. I actually like some of the Android phones out there and I especially think innovative stuff like the Note is really cool. It was actually a very close decision and I ended up with the iPhone because it was a better fit for my needs.

It absolutely amazes me the level of attacks I've gotten all across the internet just from mentioning what phone I bought. I had to unfriend somebody on facebook because of the two paragraph attack against my intelligence he left me when all I did was post a photo of my new phone. Even on political forums I don't think I've ever been attacked to the degree I've been harassed over my freaking choice of cell phone.

 

[Danoff]

so would i. That's why i use a phone that doesn't require a bunch of tweaking and fiddlinghave features.

FTFY

I don't like this characterization that android phones require fiddling to work. They work great right out of the box. They are customizable to fit what you want to do with them so that after the first few weeks, they fit you like a glove.

 

[Swara]

Turn by Turn - Yes.

Wifi - the phone won't connect to anything unless told to.

Silent when face-down - no, but the phone has a physical mute switch that takes 1/10th of a second to click.

Contents of a directory on a cloud drive - no, but there's dropbox access and apps that use their own cloud services. And iCloud syncs all the default apps. When I got my new phone, I typed my login into it as I was leaving the store, and all my texts, docs, calendars, emails, contacts, and everything else were already in my phone by the time I got to the car.

Tether - been able to do that for two years now.

Latitude - yes

Widgets - not unless jailbroken.

Wireless sync - yes. It'll do it when you plug it into the charger. Don't forget that there's also iCloud which allows you to wirelessly access all your music from anywhere you have a data connection.

As for things not available on Android that are critical for me - the Adobe Nav series of apps that interact with Photoshop are amazing. Photosmith is an extremely useful program that allows me to sort and upload photos in the field without having to carry a laptop. I also have access to a huge array of hardware accessories that don't exist or are severely limited in availability on Android.

Sorry the Infiniti has an iPod-dedicated connector. Don't forget, though, that if it's a 2008, that means it was built before the first Android phone came out, which means it was conceived in a world in which the iPod had effectively zero competition among the market sector that would be buying a brand new Infiniti, and as I understand it, was actually the only device that would've been able to link directly to a car audio system at the time. (The USB protocol used for such systems now wasn't created until just a few years ago.)

Do you really think Apple controls what Sony, Logitech, car companies, or whoever else makes their products for? Companies make accessories that will sell. iPhones are premium phones that are popular with affluent people who are likely to buy nice cars and expensive accessories. They're easy to make accessories for because there's only one new phone and one major OS update a year. The vast majority of Android phones on the market are free or cheap phones owned by people who don't even buy apps, much less hardware, and the high-end phones change every three months, so it's not economical to make accessories when they'll be obsolete by the time they hit the store.

For your mute thing, so does the Android, so I can see that your action of proof is skewed.

As for the iPhones for affluent customers, that is funny because it is false. You are basing this on your personal life. I know COUNTLESS people who drive Mercedes, BMW, etc. who have Android phones. Oh, and a Maserati owner too. They all have android phones, so your point is plainly obtuse.

Another funny thing. Apple just came out with the "Reject call with message" feature, when Androids have had that feature for a long time. Even 2004 Nokias had that feature.

 

[Azuremen]

iPhones are premium phones that are popular with affluent people who are likely to buy nice cars and expensive accessories.

I don't think I've read a more ridiculous statement this week, and that includes my ventures into the God thread. Unless by affluent, you mean poor college kids and lower middle class people that want in a fashion accessory and simple to use smartphone. I know a ton of people that are damn near broke constantly that have iPhones, so please don't delude yourself.

It is this attitude that turns me off of Apple products quite a bit. They keep making them a bit more friendly to PC users, and to those of us that qualify as "power users" but honestly, I'm just interested in the camera at this point; as a photographer, the idea of having a fairly capable camera in my pocket at all times is very appealing. Of course, listening to fan boys about how it can compete with my dSLR is fairly obnoxious as well, given how incredibly wrong they are.

Anyhow, can someone give me the current situation on iOS playing with Windows. And perhaps what features I'd miss going from Android to iOS?

I don't like this characterization that android phones require fiddling to work. They work great right out of the box. They are customizable to fit what you want to do with them so that after the first few weeks, they fit you like a glove.

My major issue with Android phones is they generally come bundled with a great deal of crap the carrier feels you need, and the only way to remove it is to root it and load a custom ROM.

No Sprint, I do not need a NASCAR app, sorry.

 

[nick09]

It absolutely amazes me the level of attacks I've gotten all across the internet just from mentioning what phone I bought. I had to unfriend somebody on facebook because of the two paragraph attack against my intelligence he left me when all I did was post a photo of my new phone. Even on political forums I don't think I've ever been attacked to the degree I've been harassed over my freaking choice of cell phone.

Because this forum is filled with tech geeks and we(most of us) hate the closed walls policy that Apple enforces. This new iphone is not impressive at all. That does not mean it's a bad phone but for it's features, Android already has it beaten in hardware and features. If you haven't tried Android Jelly Bean(version 4.1.1) then I suggest you to. It's really smooth and I never had to setup it when I took my phone out of the box.

@Azuremen: I have a Galaxy Nexus LTE under Sprint and it does not have a NASCAR App. Only one that I know that is Sprint's is the Navigation App.

 

[Azuremen]

Because this forum is filled with tech geeks and we(most of us) hate the closed walls policy that Apple enforces. This new iphone is not impressive at all. That does not mean it's a bad phone but for it's features, Android already has it beaten in hardware and features. If you haven't tried Android Jelly Bean(version 4.1.1) then I suggest you to. It's really smooth and I never had to setup it when I took my phone out of the box.

Please find an Android phone with a screen and camera that compares to the iPhone. I'm a tech person but I also appreciate these media aspects of the iPhone quite a bit.

And if you suggest a Samsung phone, you are clearly color blind.

 

[Takumi Fujiwara]

On "who has iPhones"

Just because broke people have them doesn't mean that people with money don't. Again, car companies wouldn't put iPhone integration in their cars if their customers didn't demand it.

I interact with VERY wealthy people, CEOs of Fortune 500 corporations and things like that, as well as less wealthy but still well-paid people, through my work in the automotive world. Just about every single person I encounter in those classes is carrying and using either an iPhone or Blackberry. Android has security issues and it's only just starting to become practical to use with Exchange and other corporate email servers.

FTFY

I don't like this characterization that android phones require fiddling to work. They work great right out of the box. They are customizable to fit what you want to do with them so that after the first few weeks, they fit you like a glove.

You can use them straight out of the box, but isn't customization the point of choosing Android?

The thing is that my iPhone already "fits" well enough. There aren't a lot of things I feel the need to change. Two OS versions ago, that was a different story, and I jailbroke my phone to add things like home screen notifications and programmable ringers, but those features are all now part of the default OS. I really don't do that many things or use that many apps with my phone, just browse the web, email and text, use twitter and facebook, make calls, play music, and occasionally navigate. I also use tethering heavily when in the field. I find it to be quick and convenient for all of those things.

 

[nick09]

And if you suggest a Samsung phone, you are clearly color blind.

Not a fan of Samsung? If that was not the case I would of suggested the SIII but the other kind that I know of is an HTC One X. It says it has a 8MP rear camera. I know of one person who owns one and he likes it. Though he said he had a hard time rooting it(his contract is with AT&T) and got help from a forum to bypass all of the security to root it. The information says it has a IPS LCD panel.

 

[Azuremen]

Not a fan of Samsung? If that was not the case I would of suggested the SIII but the other kind that I know of is an HTC One X. It says it has a 8MP rear camera. I know of one person who owns one and he likes it. Though he said he had a hard time rooting it(his contract is with AT&T) and got help from a forum to bypass all of the security to root it. The information says it has a IPS LCD panel.

The One X camera still isn't on par with the iPhone's from what I've seen in test shots.

As for the Samsung issue, I was mostly referring to their screens being hilariously over saturated and lacking any semblance of color balance. It is like the refuse to bother with even the most basis effort at calibrating their Super AMOLED screens.

You can use them straight out of the box, but isn't customization the point of choosing Android?

The vast majority of Android users are those "poor" people you spoke of earlier, and they generally don't even know what rooting is or custom ROMs.

 

[Zenith]

Guys the Iphone 5 is looking good for durability. A actual man was hit by one of these from a mile away and was physically cut in half before. The iPhone however only has a "small" hole.

You don't seem to have a very firm understanding of how materials react to ballistics. A piece of paper would also have a small hole in it after being hit by a .50 BMG. This test shows absolutely nothing about the iPhone's durability.

 

[Takumi Fujiwara]

The vast majority of Android users are those "poor" people you spoke of earlier, and they generally don't even know what rooting is or custom ROMs.

I actually never said anything about people being poor, just that they're not spending a lot on phones and accessories.

That's true that most Android phones out there never even get a paid app installed on them, and many are used as they left the box for their whole lifespan. But people who get those get them because they're cheap or free and don't really care about phones or what phone is better. The conversation here relates to what phones are appropriate for the kind of people who will sit around talking about phones.

 

[nick09]

Guys the Iphone 5 is looking good for durability. A actual man was hit by one of these from a mile away and was physically cut in half before. The iPhone however only has a "small" hole.

Well, where is the article? And what are the actual chances of a man being shot and saved by a phone that was only released 5 days ago?

That's true that most Android phones out there never even get a paid app installed on them, and many are used as they left the box for their whole lifespan. But people who get those get them because they're cheap or free and don't really care about phones or what phone is better. The conversation here relates to what phones are appropriate for the kind of people who will sit around talking about phones.

I'm sorry but where did you get that information from?

 

[Takumi Fujiwara]

I'm sorry but where did you get that information from?

It was in the mainstream and tech press a while back. Apple App Store sales are much higher than Android Market, even though there are way more Android devices out there. The articles I read a while back basically said that a large portion of Android device buyers will never change anything from the way their phone came.

 

[Joey D]

I think most people don't bother to do anything else with their phone then use the stuff that came on it.

 

[Pupik]

...and they generally don't even know what rooting is or custom ROMs.

Or don't want their company phones to crap out while in Cowturdia County, near the outpost of Broken Pelvis.

Actually, I just wish the 4-5 Sprint bundled apps I have stopped reminding me to update them at all. They don't use up much space, nor hog memory if not in use. I'm sure iOS adds stuff not every iPhone user wants, either...meh.

 

[TB]

Well, where is the article? And what are the actual chances of a man being shot and saved by a phone that was only released 5 days ago?

He means a man was shot with a .50 cal and died while the iPhone 5 was shot with the same caliber and "only had a "small" hole", not a guy was carrying a 5 in his shirt pocket and was subsequently saved from being killed with a .50 cal thanks to his phone.

 

[Pupik]

If an iPod could do it...

 

[f1reb1rd]

Guys, don't hate on yourselves. An iPhone is a modern phone, nothing else