Is anyone else upset with the rally in gt4?

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I use a DS2 exclusively and I have no problems with the rally, jalopy. Remember that with GT4, if you need it you can always switch on the fly to the right stick for gas.

Hey yo Curved-

I'm still finishing my Licenses (about five to go), but yeah when I saw that you could put dirts on the Nike I freaked. LOL I love that car. Can't wait to do it. :)

Gabkicks
JohnBM01
The thing I hated most about GT2 rally was that if you're not fast enough, you lose.
Er.. isnt that what all racing is like :)
LOL -i thought the same thing. "If you're not fast enough you lose." Ya I know--how DARE they!
 
my fav rally car, after trying quite a few, is the Viper GTS.

viper_rally.jpg


I'm serious - it's fun to drive, and I can win the races with it. running 472hp.

the real rally cars are annoying to drive, imo. this Viper is fun as hell.
 
LOL, God. LOL
Man that is a great screenshot.

Christ they let you put dirts on a Viper now? Anyone remember when that was like, way more restricted? That's why I'm delighted that we can rally the Nike.
 
yea I was quite surprised to see you can get dirts on the Viper.... you can't get em on just any car. I honestly think it was a mistake.

Nonetheless, I'm serious, I like driving this car. I'm using it at the Special Condition rally events. I tried the Raid RSC, Ford RS200 with 570hp, and the Impreza Prototype '01 and was pulling my hair out because they were so frustrating to drive. I think rally has definitely been more playable in previous iterations. I've seen lots of real-life rally videos, it never seems like it does in GT4. I think it's a problem.
 
I think its more to do with the camera angle being fixed at the back of the car. In GT3/Concept and Prologue the car sways more, making it more natural and easier to drift in rallies. In GT4 however the camera just shifts horridly when drifting, making it more prone to bash your car to the walls. I wish they haven't tampered with the camera, they just made it awkward and less fun to drive...
 
Supra1jzgte1988
damn ok i understand its everyones opinion on this forum but to all those people who whine and b!t(h about "how unrealistic GT4 is " tell me some thing how much experience do you have rally racing??? huh... just because you do some drifts in a field in the middle of no where doesnt make you an expert at rally racing and yes i dont know much about rally racing but i do know about drifting, and dirt racing since i motocross i can tell you in the dirt there is not much traction hitting the apex of a corner is essential to being a good driver and before any one comes on here to ***** about me let me tell you i dont give a flying **** what someone 1000 miles away from me has to say. so before any one comes on here to ***** and moan about how unrealistic gt4 is, go buy a rally car ex. evo, wrx, celica and take it to a mountain track and see how trail braking into a corner works out for you i'll be the one fliping you off as your wrapped around a tree.... now that i got that off my chest gt4 is one of the best OVERALL racing games ever later

Damn, dude you tell em i love the physics engine and i myself was upset but i figured out the key! it depends on what car u use, i used the old lancer 1600 rally car and it was alright then i used the peugoet 205 rally car and it sucked then i used the the toyota rsc rally raid car and it was awsome, it was so easy to handle. I find myself doing the rally races alot now because i figured what cars are bad and what are good. So all you peaple stop *****en and practice, practice, and practice! :)
 
I thought I was getting GT4 this weekend... apparently not 👎. Well, I still have the Spring Break to myself.

The deciding factor is that I don't have the game. All I did was play test at an EB store. While it was the damndest amount of fun a racing gamer can have, the rally courses can be pretty tough. I was playing GT3 to "practice" for GT4, and I never really realized how cool Swiss Alps was. The American GT4 website was talking about "enjoying drifting at high speed." So I got into my Peugeot 206 WRC and let it all out. Man, I never realized how fun it actually is. I usually like the Tahiti Circuit, but the Swiss Alps is perhaps a great mid-to-high speed rally course. It's almost like the Finland Rally, best known for high speeds and those sick jumps. When I get GT4, I'll be sure to see if I can enjoy that same feeling that I did from GT3.

Or since most of you have the game, how did you feel about this track in GT4?
 
Swillie
just win the RSC in the second special conditions race and throw some dirt tires on it. Hell I love the rally racing and the snow tracks too, just gotta throw it down a gear, cut the turns a little early and as soon as the back end starts to break free shift back up a gear or even 2 if you need and counter steer, you should be able to keep the car under control and will be flying around those turns. Fun as it gets.
On the I-A license I randomly gold-ed the snow test, I think I might have some skill but Im not rallying until I get the RS200. (Or atleast and Evo/WRX
 
I'm so lazy for my 1st rally car, i bought an NA s15 and just gave it stage 2 tuning, sports suspension, twin plate clutch and muffler with some dirt tires, theres a rally car. :)
 
PSTC555
I think its more to do with the camera angle being fixed at the back of the car. In GT3/Concept and Prologue the car sways more, making it more natural and easier to drift in rallies. In GT4 however the camera just shifts horridly when drifting, making it more prone to bash your car to the walls. I wish they haven't tampered with the camera, they just made it awkward and less fun to drive...

Wait a minute, are you using something other than the bumper cam view? Maybe that's why some people are having problems... I never use a camera view that places me behind the car. If I wanted to drive from outside the car, I'd play an R/C car racing game... :P
 
from start GT is a roadracing game, so i want the rally of, its booring and its now pretty hard in GT4... doesn't looks to god to :(
 
Supra1jzgte1988
damn ok i understand its everyones opinion on this forum but to all those people who whine and b!t(h about "how unrealistic GT4 is " tell me some thing how much experience do you have rally racing??? huh... just because you do some drifts in a field in the middle of no where doesnt make you an expert at rally racing and yes i dont know much about rally racing but i do know about drifting, and dirt racing since i motocross i can tell you in the dirt there is not much traction hitting the apex of a corner is essential to being a good driver and before any one comes on here to ***** about me let me tell you i dont give a flying **** what someone 1000 miles away from me has to say. so before any one comes on here to ***** and moan about how unrealistic gt4 is, go buy a rally car ex. evo, wrx, celica and take it to a mountain track and see how trail braking into a corner works out for you i'll be the one fliping you off as your wrapped around a tree.... now that i got that off my chest gt4 is one of the best OVERALL racing games ever later
HAHA! I were gonna go and say allmost the same thing since i happen to drive Rally Cross on a Junior League ;) Before you have any experience in real life Rallying, dont come here whining. I agree, gt3 were easier but gt4 is waaaaayyyyyy more realistic. In my opinion, gt4 is pretty close to real life rallying but at the same time, it's not. Some thing's are pretty Realistic but some arent.
Im NOT gonna make a list about what is reaistic and what's not.

So, go out with a rally car and then come here and whine about gt4' rallying realisim ;)
 
JohnBM01
I thought I was getting GT4 this weekend... apparently not 👎. Well, I still have the Spring Break to myself.

The deciding factor is that I don't have the game. All I did was play test at an EB store. While it was the damndest amount of fun a racing gamer can have, the rally courses can be pretty tough. I was playing GT3 to "practice" for GT4, and I never really realized how cool Swiss Alps was. The American GT4 website was talking about "enjoying drifting at high speed." So I got into my Peugeot 206 WRC and let it all out. Man, I never realized how fun it actually is. I usually like the Tahiti Circuit, but the Swiss Alps is perhaps a great mid-to-high speed rally course. It's almost like the Finland Rally, best known for high speeds and those sick jumps. When I get GT4, I'll be sure to see if I can enjoy that same feeling that I did from GT3.

Or since most of you have the game, how did you feel about this track in GT4?

John,

All I can say is look out. Same map layout, but it just "feels" different. I know, I know, different physics engine, but still, sliding at speed to me is all about feel. That's not to say it's a bad feeling on this track, just it's different. Beyond that, I think some of elevations of the track have been changed. To me, especially noticable coming off the long straight into the lengthy tightening left hander before the double switchback leading to the bridge. I spent tons of time on this track in "3" doing the head-to-head thing with friends, and it's kind of like running the track through somebody else's eyes. The perception of it all is familiar, yet still foreign. Also the breaking points seem to of changed, I put that on the game engine again. On a side note, Tahiti Maze is killer in the switchbacks. In "3" I could rail through those when on the right line, not so in "4". Seems as though the tires have less grip, but at the same time, slides are now much more controllable by throttle manipulation. Also, weight shift is of utmost importance, or so it seems.
 
when i tried the chamonix license test in special licenses i nearly cried beacuse the handling was horific then i did it again and again and passed. But it has put me off rallying now beacuse most of the cars jus go everywhere but in gt3 i was slyding round them corners on tahati maze and actually enjoying my experience but if that's more realistic rallying in gt4 then bring back the arcade style beacuse as well as learn from i like to enjoy my racing games thorouly < (dunno how to spell that word) so my conclusion is lets hope its way more fun than fustrating in gt5.
 
its peeps who dont find more realism fun that are keeping GT from going all out in the physics department. 👎
 
driftingmonkey
I have been playing for about 2 weeks now, and i noticed that the rally control is horrid! im so upset with the fact that every time you side the back of the car out to do a turn, the rear end acts like a magnet to the wall. Does anyone else notice this and find it rediculous?

Well, at least I see I'm not the only one really upset about what they did with the Rally Mode. I have to say that although the tracks look even better than before, and though there may be a bit more realistic handling involved (I don't like it myself), apart from that, the Rally mode really, REALLY... SUCKS!!!!! They have so totally ruined this mode for me!

Even if the handling is more realistic, the 5-second penalties they dish out for "grazing" a wall or opposing car are absolutely ridiculous! I don't agree with them giving you penalties at all, and here's the kicker: the CPU car can bounce off the walls like a pinball, and can ram into you at will! You can't, so what gives with this crap? I finally managed to beat all races in Easy Mode, and I have won a few harder races (i.e. road races: Paris Rally, Citta di Aria, Costa Di Amalfi, Tsukuba Wet), but that involved using race cars. (N.B. The Alfa Romeo Race Car is an excellent choice for these races. You can win that car by winning the Festa Italiano in the European Hall. The Tsukuba Wet course on Hard will require a real race car, such as the Audi R8, or Bentley Speed 8.) Getting back to penalties, if they are going to insist on giving you a penalty, then make it something like 3 seconds, because you could actually recover from that, but 5 seconds is too much.

It really is a shame, because the visuals are gorgeous, and the Rally mode really could have been so much more fun, but now it's just annoying. I really like the inclusion of the crowd in the new races (best effect is in the Grand Canyon race in my opinion), but the penalites just make it so frustrating. I remember when doing the Rally races in GT3, that by the time you got to the third 7-lap race, you knew that was going to be a real challenge, because your opponent had a really souped-up car, and you were both going to have to really fight it out over 7 laps to see who was going to win that one. Back in those days, I could win or lose the race by as little as a second or half-second; now, once you screw-up even so much as twice, you are looking at losing by well more than 10 seconds. Note to Polyphony: The game isn't any fun when you don't have a chance. If we're going to make it realistic, then allow the cars to go off the track to some degree (a la Colin McRae & WRC), because in the real world, the cars just don't bump into invisible barriers, or fly up the sides of buildings (Citta di Aria). In CMR and WRC, you can go off the track a bit, and that is realistic, because Rally cars do end-up in the ditch sometimes. If you go too far, then I could see them placing you out on the track again, and with a time penalty, but that's only if you continued to drive off course.

And my last complaint about Rally mode is the lack of two-player support in it. There are so many weird things about the way the mode is structured:

Citta di Aria: You can play against the CPU in a Gran Turismo Mode race only. You can practice alone on the track for 5 credits, or do time-trial in Arcade Mode, but if you want to race another car, you have to have someone in two-player mode to do that.

(Note: Do not even get me started on the 5-credit bit. That's another stupid idea of Polyphony's, and I hope they smarten-up for the online release of GT4, or GT5 at least.)

Grand Canyon, Cathedral Rocks I & II, Chamonix: You can't play these in two-player at all. At first I thought it was because of the animated people (too much for the wee PS2 to handle?), but there are animated people in the Ice Arena, I think, so I don't know why this was such a problem.

Well, that's about it. What else do you guys dislike about Rally, or GT4 in general? Don't get me wrong, it's got it's strong points, and many of them, but there are several areas where I think that they really just weren't finished yet on this one.

Good luck, and if you're going to take a penalty, make it a good one! (Tip: if you're going to hit the other car, try and hit him in front, and then pin him against the wall. That way, when your penalty is up, you'll be on even footing, as opposed to him being more than 5 seconds up on you.)

Cheers,
 
I'm not upset, mainly because there is no "rally" in GT4 in the first place. All there is are rally cars on dirt/snow circuits like rallycross.

Instead of a co-driver to give pace notes you just get wack music trying to make it exciting.

Your car is locked into the course and can't fly off into grass or whatever. Also your car can't take damage.

The "rally" courses are circuits and not stages.

As for handling I couldn't tell you if it were realistic or not. I've never driven a WRC car before.

Car i'm using for now.

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WRC 4 on the PS2 is, in my humble opinion, a very realistic (and difficult) rally game. If rallying is your thing then you could do a lot worse than to pick this up. It also has net-play!

Mike
 
Yes I am upset, the rally sections are utter crap. If I want to rally I'll play RSC2 thank you very much, which is the best out :D.
 
MikeCUK28
WRC 4 on the PS2 is, in my humble opinion, a very realistic (and difficult) rally game. If rallying is your thing then you could do a lot worse than to pick this up. It also has net-play!

Mike

Had WRC 3 and it was the best rally game i've played. I'm sure 4 is even better 👍
 
jlosordo
Had WRC 3 and it was the best rally game i've played. I'm sure 4 is even better 👍

Sorry, but I can,t personally agree with that, the WRC series look good and the stage design is very well done.

However, its far from the best rally game I have ever played. Its a fun arcade rally game, as are the Colin McRae series.

For realism I have to go with Gabkicks, Richard Burns Rally all the way. By far and away the most realistic rally game available at present, and its as hard as hell.

GT4 rally is still not in this league, but its far better than GT3. Greater throttle control, smooth steering and controlled entry speeds are all now far more important.

I have to say after RBR I'm finding the rally stages on GT4 quite straightforward and much more enjoyable that those in GT3, Chamonix in particular is great fun and is excellent for photomode.
 
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