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Cool did not know this META abreviation.META (most effective tactic available) car
We all know how we don't know how they work
Cool did not know this META abreviation.META (most effective tactic available) car
We all know how we don't know how they work
My fear with this is that the Porsche 911 might get a big advantage given its position in the BoP table right now, and its long gears, along with some other overly-long geared carsThey wouldn’t need to change BoP if they could just unlock gears (final gear/top speed) for sport mode.
Exactly; I am just as quick, if not quicker, using the Gr.1 R18 as I am in the Bugatti VGT, because I just can't seem to drive the Bug as well as others can due to its drivetrain. The R18 is probably only the fourth or fifth-quickest Gr.1 on average.And unless you are an alien, you'll never be quicker in the meta car than the car you are comfortable with and can drive well
Cool did not know this META abreviation.
The WEC has used a per-track BoP since 2017 and every indication is that it has worked exceptionally well. Watch any WEC endurance race and you'll notice the commentators complimenting the BoP and how it is offering closer racing.
This is primarily an algorithm-based BoP, I believe based in part on analyzing qualifying and race lap times on each track, and would be perfect for GTS to adopt.
Not sure if I'd really want BoP to go that far. I like the additional element of strategy that comes with an overall BoP compared to BoP per track.The WEC has used a per-track BoP since 2017 and every indication is that it has worked exceptionally well. Watch any WEC endurance race and you'll notice the commentators complimenting the BoP and how it is offering closer racing.
This is primarily an algorithm-based BoP, I believe based in part on analyzing qualifying and race lap times on each track, and would be perfect for GTS to adopt.
This, all day.That's not actually where it came from, that's a backronym at best and completely made up at worst.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta
The "meta-game" is the strategy that takes place at a higher level than basic strategy. The basic strategy is to drive as fast as possible. The meta-game is to select the best car, the best controller, and so on to improve your chances. This is particularly true in games like MOBAs or fighting games where the other person's choice could have a direct influence on yours. If Chun Li is a popular character, perhaps you want to play someone who stomps Chun Li even though that may not be your best character.
In racing games this is less of a thing. "Meta" in a racing game essentially means "current best ignoring driver skill". Outside of a few edge cases where a car is fastest on paper but has trouble overtaking in a real race, you're not selecting your car based on what other people are driving. You choose what is best for you. There are some meta-game aspects to things like pit stops, where you may vary your strategy based how other people behave so that even if you're not strictly the fastest you end up in an advantageous position on track.
But car selection is not generally meta in the common gaming sense of the word.
Not sure if I'd really want BoP to go that far. I like the additional element of strategy that comes with an overall BoP compared to BoP per track.
FIA manufacturers series, to me, is more interesting when drivers need to select a Gr. 3 / Gr. 4 manufacturer based on their own assessment.
For example, if someone is really good with the Gr. 3 Porsche, they have to decide if that's their best option for the Gr. 3 races and be willing to sacrifice somewhat on the Gr. 4 races. Other people may choose a more balanced manufacturer. Or base their selection because they're really good at the Gr. 4 tracks, so maximize their chances there. Also need to choose based on tire wear, fuel burn, ability to pass/defend, etc.
Still on the fence here, but leaning towards the idea of a well done overall BoP.
My fear with this is that the Porsche 911 might get a big advantage given its position in the BoP table right now, and its long gears, along with some other overly-long geared cars
The Cayman would be adequately competitive with shorter gears, but the 911 would probably be overpowered. Maybe have PD adjust the gears themselves?I hope so because Im always at a disadvantage in the Porsche but it's my favorite Gr.4 car to drive.
Yeah the diffs should be reworked(looking at you GR3 Lambo)Yeah but where do you draw the line? If you open up final gear transmission tuning why not allow me to tune the diff on tricky MR or RWD cars?
I think for sport mode no tuning is by far the better option, all things considered.
Supra is overpowered. If you check the car stats on settings, almost all oval settings are exactly the same, except Supra got 3 or 4 stats better than the others, more speed, more curve, more brake, it simply is just better than the others. The numbers are explicit.There are a different BoP champions on each track. The Supra is todays champion on Blue Moon. Peugeot VGT is champion on Tokyo East. There are others as well.
Except there is a rule no one can beat toyota's lap time lol (I am serious)The WEC has used a per-track BoP since 2017 and every indication is that it has worked exceptionally well. Watch any WEC endurance race and you'll notice the commentators complimenting the BoP and how it is offering closer racing.
This is primarily an algorithm-based BoP, I believe based in part on analyzing qualifying and race lap times on each track, and would be perfect for GTS to adopt.
Tokyo and blue moon infield B are Veyron's territory.Hmm. Maggiore, Bluemoon, and Brands, the 86 seems to be the META. At Suzuka it becomes a mixed bag, but more on the Megane side. Dragon Trail it's the Viper. For Interlagos it's mainly 4WD cars like the GTR, Atenza, Lancer, and Huracan, but not the Veyron.
I don't know what you're talking about. The Veyron is a one-trick pony in Monza, and honestly for me the brakes are horrible. Also, while the Megane might not have "balanced" handling (I don't believe this) as the Veyron, the acceleration it gives around the corners is good enough to justify its bad handling. Why do you think it was the META for a month before it got nerfed (and buffed again)?
Cool thanks for the nice read and explanation 👍That's not actually where it came from, that's a backronym at best and completely made up at worst.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta
The "meta-game" is the strategy that takes place at a higher level than basic strategy. The basic strategy is to drive as fast as possible. The meta-game is to select the best car, the best controller, and so on to improve your chances. This is particularly true in games like MOBAs or fighting games where the other person's choice could have a direct influence on yours. If Chun Li is a popular character, perhaps you want to play someone who stomps Chun Li even though that may not be your best character.
In racing games this is less of a thing. "Meta" in a racing game essentially means "current best ignoring driver skill". Outside of a few edge cases where a car is fastest on paper but has trouble overtaking in a real race, you're not selecting your car based on what other people are driving. You choose what is best for you. There are some meta-game aspects to things like pit stops, where you may vary your strategy based how other people behave so that even if you're not strictly the fastest you end up in an advantageous position on track.
But car selection is not generally meta in the common gaming sense of the word.
Oh man don't bring that up. It boils my blood everytime I read an article at how the privateers SHOULDN'T, EXCPLICITLY BY THE RULES, defeat ToyotaExcept there is a rule no one can beat toyota's lap time lol (I am serious)
Oh yeah I forgot to include those tracksTokyo and blue moon infield B are Veyron's territory.
In America and Asia there is more variability still, Europe's charts are funny. If suddenly someone tops on a different car, in ten minutes the page will be filled with it.
If that's your opinion, I suggest you drive the Gr. 4 Cayman.I think the Veyron, the M4 and some cars I'm forgetting are overpowered, but nothing is as badly out of balance as the Alfa 4C Gr.4 car. On a track like Bathurst, you might as well be racing Gr. 3 cars. It is utterly useless on any track with straights, and only competitive at best on tight tracks like Brands Indy or Tsukuba.
That is my biggest problem with the manufacturer cup because I adore the 4C. It's by far my favorite Gr.3 car. But the Gr. 4 is so bad, it's infuriating that PD has the nerve to call it a "balance of performance" system when it couldn't be further from it.
I should call Thanos and tell him about this. He likes things to be balanced.
I am sorry, but I doubt it, 4C is completely not fitted for bathurst, 4C requires a completely different driving style. Also, bathurst is the track you can get on top 10 on completely different gr4 cars, from Lancer (very low top speed and good to turn) to Mégane (a dog to turn).I think the Veyron, the M4 and some cars I'm forgetting are overpowered, but nothing is as badly out of balance as the Alfa 4C Gr.4 car. On a track like Bathurst, you might as well be racing Gr. 3 cars. It is utterly useless on any track with straights, and only competitive at best on tight tracks like Brands Indy or Tsukuba.
That is my biggest problem with the manufacturer cup because I adore the 4C. It's by far my favorite Gr.3 car. But the Gr. 4 is so bad, it's infuriating that PD has the nerve to call it a "balance of performance" system when it couldn't be further from it.
I should call Thanos and tell him about this. He likes things to be balanced.
That's not actually where it came from, that's a backronym at best and completely made up at worst.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta
The "meta-game" is the strategy that takes place at a higher level than basic strategy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetagamingThat's what I thought it meant and then some of my gamer friends kept insisting it was an acronym. That's what I get for trusting gamers over my education. In film the term Meta is usually used to describe something that is self referential, or a theme within the obvious theme.
In classics games, it would simply be called game strategy or even game theory.
Either-way, unless your an A+ driver it's all kind of pointless. At DR B, I definitely know that I'm not pushing my cars to their absolute limits, so doing mediocre driving in an optimum car isn't really going to help me that much. I'd rather stay acclimated to a specific car and develop better car control until I'm matching similar peak lap times in that car.
I think you misunderstood what @TomBrady meant. The meaning was that other Gr. 4 cars are so much faster at Bathurst and the Gr. 4 4C is so uncompetitive there that there's no difference in results against Gr. 3 or Gr. 4 cars. The next sentence explains why it's useless and which tracks it is competitive at.I am sorry, but I doubt it, 4C is completely not fitted for bathurst, 4C requires a completely different driving style. Also, bathurst is the track you can get on top 10 on completely different gr4 cars, from Lancer (very low top speed and good to turn) to Mégane (a dog to turn).
I've never seen a 4C on top 10 bathurst, there was one on America's top of LM last week, and I just couldn't make it work like in brands hatch where I got under 1 29.
With all due respect, I wanna see your 4C lap on bathurst, honestly, if you can pull that one out you will have my respect for life.
Edit: if you beat my atenza record on bathurst on a 4C, I will have on my lobby greeting "TomBrady is the king of the 4C" for a week. BoP, daily races setting, needless to say.
I think the Veyron, the M4 and some cars I'm forgetting are overpowered, but nothing is as badly out of balance as the Alfa 4C Gr.4 car. On a track like Bathurst, you might as well be racing Gr. 3 cars. It is utterly useless on any track with straights, and only competitive at best on tight tracks like Brands Indy or Tsukuba.
That is my biggest problem with the manufacturer cup because I adore the 4C. It's by far my favorite Gr.3 car. But the Gr. 4 is so bad, it's infuriating that PD has the nerve to call it a "balance of performance" system when it couldn't be further from it.
I should call Thanos and tell him about this. He likes things to be balanced.