Is duping paints considered "cheating"?

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As I said before, its cheating. You're exploiting a flaw in the system to gain an advantage (keeping a paint chip) that is not in the game nor intended to be. i.e. The game meant for you to be able to paint 1 car gold chrome, not your whole fleet.

That said, WHO CARES? I don't understand everyones obsession with whether or not its cheating. Does it have some affect on your life? Do you feel like a criminal because you would be labeled as cheating? Seriously WHY DO YOU CARE?
 
SavageEvil
Thought I would find a legitimate answer to duping in here, boy was I wrong. Same self professing nonsense about it being cheating because of breaking PSN rules? The PSN rules do not cover duping, because to dupe all you do is gift a paint to anyone including yourself and copy your original save back to the main game and gift it back.

A cheat implies gaining an unfair advantage that would somehow make it to your benefit to do it. Getting multiple paints colors gives you an advantage of, being able to paint more cars a particular color...:indiff: The only grey area I see is that if you weren't able to copy your file save then you couldn't dupe but even that wouldn't stop you as you could just make multiple PSN and game saves and just send all paints you acquire from the dummy accounts to your main account. Since they give you free paints everyday now, that's even easier than duping, more random and less controlled but still getting paint you didn't do anything to "earn".

Same thing for duping cars, I don't see how this gives anyone an unfair advantage at all. If you sucked at driving a level 0 car you won't all of a sudden get better if someone gifted you a level 23 car. I'm not sure where all this elitist crap came from in GT, but it seriously needs to go. Face it PD screwed up with a great many things in GT5. The paint shop is the worst offense as Kaz and Co. thinks that everything needs to be some sort of mini game to be interesting...no it's stupid and ignorant especially considering the amount of cars and the fact you can't preview what the paint would look like on your car:sick:. These guys seem to like to make simple things complicated for no apparent reason. I actually thought that after I got the 256 color trophy, that the paint shop would be unlocked and I can use paint chips as often as I wanted...yea why would something so simple in implementation go so wrong?

The non repeatable prize car gifts, that is just as bad, it's like they want to force you to go trade cars...but there is no car trading system like in Forza...so I find it a stupid idea. Coupled with the fact that over time and usage of the car it's performance becomes irreversibly lower forcing you to buy a new car. Prize winnings are dearth and selling cars you own nets you very little cash, these compounded reasons alone is enough to suck the fun out of playing the game. So people figure out you can duplicate cars and thus the issues were overlooked for their shortcomings. Now that the restrictions are back, what do you think is going to happen? People will find different ways to get the most fun out of it. Not every idea out of PD makes much sense in the spirit of gaming fun, why fix what wasn't broken in the first place? GT4 prize system was just right, who cares if people had multiples of the same car, big deal. You sold your old worn down car and started using the back up and if you needed another back because you loved that car, you just went and won it again. Simple fun.

GT5 not so simple and what's worse is that now that UCD seems to be on a constantly changing car rotation now. I'm sorry but I have a very advanced piece of tech in the PS3 and you're limiting me to just the colors of all the cars in the game? Why? This thing has the ability to display 16.8 million colors and I am stuck with less than 1000 paint colors? Of course I'll dupe paints why not, I'm already limited by color choices and inability to actually paint the car to whatever design I can think of. People we want fun out of our game, not a slough fest with some archaic paint scheme. If we keep bothering them, perhaps PD will just give us a paint shop that has all the real manufacturer paint colors and a color sampler that allows us to make any paint we can. Simple things that lend to identity, come on PD.

They want each person to have his own identity online, but you have a crap load of limitations which there is no way around. All cars that can be painted can only use the paint that everyone else will at one time or another...get it together PD. Play FM3 and see what a paint shop is all about and what it can do for boosting interaction between players aside from just racing...oh and where is our tune saving feature? What's the point of a lounge and track day, when you can't save multiple set ups for one car...I'm not resorting to writing that stuff down. Get it together PD. I love playing this game but glaring issues that shouldn't have been there in the first place is sapping some of my enjoyment out.
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Even if everything is right, what you said...it is still cheating. Cheating is to break the normal gameplay and get content without work.

Take Street Fighter or whatever game, where developers included cheat codes to unlock content without lifting a finger . It is called CHEATING, no matter how you spin it.
 
Big Ron
Even if I hate the paint chip system...I can say "you are cheating". Because as someone mntioned before: cheating means getting an advantage over someone else and with the creation of a second account to trade your chips back and forth, you get this advantage.

It is like typing a special combination to keep your chips. But as said...the paint chip system is just a bad joke and earned or bought chips should be there forever and not just as often as you got it. I real life, pro-painters have special maschines to read manufacturer codes of a special color and reproduce it as often as they want, so why limit the number in the game?
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But what advantage is there for having different coloured paints? I never really get the "advantage" argument, its not real, its a game and one that's being taken far far too seriously lately.

But I do agree that the paint system is fundamentally broken, so people have found a way round it, I thought thats what Kaz wanted? the community to decide the direction of the game....... unless its something he doesn't agree with, then he'll just patch it out.
 
kideon
But what advantage is there for having different coloured paints? I never really get the "advantage" argument, its not real, its a game and one that's being taken far far too seriously lately.

But I do agree that the paint system is fundamentally broken, so people have found a way round it, I thought thats what Kaz wanted? the community to decide the direction of the game....... unless its something he doesn't agree with, then he'll just patch it out.
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If you read carefully, you could tranfer it to every content, not only paint chips.

I didn´t say, that I don´t like it, because I hate the chip system.

This is just a matter of principle
 
kideon
But what advantage is there for having different coloured paints? I never really get the "advantage" argument, its not real, its a game and one that's being taken far far too seriously lately.

But I do agree that the paint system is fundamentally broken, so people have found a way round it, I thought thats what Kaz wanted? the community to decide the direction of the game....... unless its something he doesn't agree with, then he'll just patch it out.
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But why is it fundamentally broken? This is the way Kaz designed it and wanted it. Maybe to create diversity in car colors, to keep certain colors exclusive, maybe to just piss people off, who knows? Noone questions Kojima why there are 2 hour long cutscenes in the middle of his games, its just the way he designed it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its wrong.
 
Duping is so obviously cheating it's not even debatable! The issue is whether cheating matters and lessens the non-cheaters experience. In this game probably not
 
squall457
Duping is so obviously cheating it's not even debatable! The issue is whether cheating matters and lessens the non-cheaters experience. In this game probably not
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The first part of your reply is what I dislike about people so adamant that duping is cheating. Prove how it is cheating, as I said a cheat gives you an unfair advantage, where is this advantage? Not sure where you people came from or went to school but I was taught to explain my point of view in detail to get my point across. Perhaps we should all look up what cheating means in the dictionary? Don't just parrot something back because someone else says so, why do you honestly feel it is cheating, perhaps I will take you seriously then.
 
The advantage is that you are getting access to cars, paints in a way other than what was intended by the game. One point of the game is to race enough to get the cars you want. If you want 2 cars, race enough to be able to get them. If you want 2 of the same car, race enough to be able to get them. To get paints, play enough for them to pop up. To get more of what you want through duping is cheating the game
 
SavageEvil
Prove how it is cheating, as I said a cheat gives you an unfair advantage, where is this advantage?
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That is not true, dude. :banghead: Cheating doesn´t mean to get an "unfair" advantage, but "just" an advantage and to work around a regulated gameplay.

Unlocking all characters in Street Fighter via button combinations doesn´t give you an "unfair" advantage, but "just" the advantage to get all content without playing (if you play for your own).

And if you play online with this cheats, it gets unfair (surely not for paint chips :D )

Cheating= work around regulated gameplay ;)
 
Cutting through a chicane or the grass is cheating. Bumping a guy off the road on purpose is cheating.

Duplicating a car, paint, part, or whatever is not cheating.

Why do people still care about duplicating? Don't we have much more going on in our lives than to keep talking about this?

I'm gonna go dupe some paint...
 
Big Ron
Unlocking all characters in Street Fighter via button combinations doesn´t give you an "unfair" advantage, but "just" the advantage to get all content without playing (if you play for your own).
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Nicely put /thread
 
Why do people even ask these questions? if your asking a bunch of guys on a forum for an opinion you need to get out more because it'll never be a decent one!
 
If duping cars is cheating then duping paints is to , so watch what you post or next update you will not be able to trade paints either !
 
How could anyone possibly say thats cheating? Unless your paint takes off 100kg and adds 50hp to your car it doesn't matter... I've never seen a chrome car online and thought, "He must be quick!" It's just paint...
 
Big Ron
That is not true, dude. :banghead: Cheating doesn´t mean to get an "unfair" advantage, but "just" an advantage and to work around a regulated gameplay.

Unlocking all characters in Street Fighter via button combinations doesn´t give you an "unfair" advantage, but "just" the advantage to get all content without playing (if you play for your own).

And if you play online with this cheats, it gets unfair (surely not for paint chips :D )

Cheating= work around regulated gameplay ;)
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Your definition Cheat: violate rules or regulations...this is the definition that closely matches what you said. Problem is that your definition assumes there is a reward at the end point, like a game of cards. Problem is, there is none for paints nor for having many of the same cars either or a lot of cars. Both trophies for these can be had easily, the 256 paint chip thing is easily had without much effort and 1000 car garage is gotten by buying as many karts as you can. As there is absolutely no reward from the game or otherwise why is this cheating? You perhaps are cheating the game itself, but why would that concern you how another person completes his game? I was under the impression that this is affecting "YOU" is some way. How I play my game has no affect on your enjoyment, when I go online it still has no effect.

Street Fighter analogy doesn't work well as it's a fighting game and character pool is smaller and characters have distinct advantages and disadvantages. Certain characters are automatic powerhouses and will pose to be a problem even in the hands of an average player, that is only unfair if you play against others. But playing the game, I would say it is a cheat. Duping is cheating the game itself, but has absolutely no effect on other players at all. You sir have earned my respect, I still don't like what PD has done and will continue to protect my credits, 10 free paints a day and another 5 every other day, not too shabby.
 
Since when did this become an argument anyway? Paint chips, they do nothing performance-wise, so why bother with it if I'm only making more of them, because the nice ones are hard to come by. What if what I intend to do is make more matte black chips so I can at least paint more than one car that color? It makes no difference, other than aesthetic purposes. Why does it bother you? (you, meaning those who find this "cheating").
 
OMG, somebody poke my eyes out please. I'm actually reading a thread about paint cheating.:rolleyes:

For the love of god, would someone please please please develop a picture taking paint game that's NOT attatched to what would be a racing game. Why is it the racing genre gets stuck with this crap? Put this crap on COD or something so the shooter crowd will be forced to worry about who's cheating to get their pink M-16's with anime boobies painted on the side on a picture taking leaderboard somewhere. Somebody please do something so we racers can have our stinking games back. Thank you.
 
gambleboyen
I've made a new account so I can multiply my paints to paint and repaint my cars in any colours I want (of the colours I already own that is).

Is this cheating? Will I be hated? :sly:

Oh and I'm not duping matte or chrome paints because they look like crap. :ouch:
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As I'm sure you've seen, it depends very much on who you ask. I don't really think it's cheating though.
 
@OP: I think on the surface it is cheating the game, but I wouldn't say it's unethical cheating. It's more of an exploit of the way the game and its gifting framework was designed.

If you think the recent ban on 1m+ cars was a reaction to duping, I would not worry about it. The primary reason PD came down on it imo was because there were so many people selling top end cars for cash on eBay, which is illegal and very unethical. If you plan on making dozens of copies of rare paints and selling them for cash on eBay, then I would say it is wrong. Otherwise I would not dwell on it.
 
I usually reload my game several times til i get better paints. othe rnight i got 8 different types of beige which i just wasnt having lol
Me n the gf has a ps3 each now n we clone certain paint chips that we like the look of.
Sometimes u find a color combo that u liek and u want to keep a theme going through your garage so cloning the paints isnt really cheating in my opinion, i have better things to spend my grinded credits on than 5 lexus' to get 5 black amethyst paints.
 
This question is one you should ask yourself after looking at the definition of cheating.
A lot of people here have a strange idea of what cheating actually is and by their definition should feel cheated every day of their lives.

Make up your own mind.

I duped a lot of paint. No cars though. Why? Duping paint made my game more fun, duping cars would ruin it.

Play YOUR game....playstation.
 
Like I've said on another thread.
Here's the definition:
•Cheating in video games involves a video game player using non-standard methods for creating an advantage beyond normal gameplay, usually to make the game easier. Cheats include advantages such as invulnerability ("God mode") or an infinite amount of some resource such as ammunition. ...

Duping is beyond normal gameplay, it makes the game easier and it gives you an advantage as you keep the car you were supposed to actually lose in the gifting process.
Yeah it's cheating, no ifs no buts.

Not saying there's anything wrong with it, I'm just saying it's cheating.
 
Yes it is, it is playing the game in a way that was not intended. I hate cheaters with a passion, whether it is real life or in games. They say it does not affect anyone else, but PD have brought in the restrictions because people have duped! Not only that but the scum tried to sell the cars on ebay. The dupers have ruined it for everyone else, just play the damn game. It does seem that PD do listen ( experience points increased for example ) So I am sure if there was enough noise, they would adjust the credit payments or allow us to sell any car.
 

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